"Keep in touch until January"

[Esablade]

Except there's very little discussion - just an endless series of attacks some of which are utterly disgusting, many of which are baseless, and, given that we're propped up by £5m per season of personal wealth, all of which, istm, come from a position of ludicrous entitlement.

Fwiw I do think the club has questions to answer re the Murphy money: we got a good price, we were told the money would go towards the first team, and it looks an awful lot like that hasn't happened.

It's the journalists job to ask these questions and they haven't.

Ranting about how crap everyone and everything is might be therapeutic to the individuals concerned but it does nothing to advance the cause of the club, in fact it may eventually do serious harm.

I think there's little real discussion because most fans accept that what Adkins and the board are saying is basically the truth ( with a few white lies and 'political' answers)...doesn't make it any less frustrating for all concerned.

Agree about the abuse..some is just daft like calling Howard pathetic after a mistake...

 

[Rodley]

I see the old FFP has raised it's ugly head again on this thread if it is an issue (which I don't think it is for a minute) then why don't we loan some young players who are currently not getting much game time at premiership clubs ? they do NOT count towards the FFP. Other clubs in league one do it with some success, MK franchise got promotion doing it last season why is there a culture of we can't do it at the lane ?

I thought loan players counted toward SCMP? And players who were exempt were under 20, had come through the club's youth programme and had been offered a pro contract?

 

[alcoblade]

and that's the problem. If he can't reduce the wage bill then he won't be able to bring in who he wants, it's not about what the Board are or aren't freeing up in terms of funds.

Surely the Murphy sale makes some money available?

UTB

 

[Worksop II]

Dont worry lads, a few more goals from Che and January will be here far too soon .................

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

If it's FFP rules then what is wrong with telling us that robbie?

If we can't/won't pay what Leicester want, I'm not sure what is wrong with saying so?

Does our Nige only have two targets in the whole of the FL?

Surely there is a plan 'B' ?

Not sure there is a plan A

 

[bladesmanluke]

What's the problem? We're just going with our tried and trusted method. Oh you deadline day lovers you. Gerremin Gerremallin.
Cheer up guys, it worked so well last season after all!

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

It annoys me when people think it is easy to buy success

I'm not sure people think we can 'buy success' it's the lack of planning.

We're a football club, we need a first choice defence, a fist choice midfield and a strike force all playing in front of a goalie. That's not much to sort out.

The squad overall isn't too bad for a third division campaign but there were gaps and these gaps were known last season.

Progress made at filling the gaps is limited to the strike force. That's why people bang on about it so much.

Losing to Bury and scraping home against Rochdale doesn't help unless I'm missing something and Man City and Utd are quaking in their boots as the new kids on the block are on the march?

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

We have tried to get both of them and so far we have failed. That is missing out in most peoples book.

It seems they will not come before January, if at all. Logic would suggest that we might want to improve the midfield or central defence, and that there might be one or two players in the EU who, whilst not world beaters like Hammond or Burn, might be just a tad better than what we have for a couple of months.

Our strategy, however, appears to be to cross our fingers. Oh well.

We should have all available players who clubs would release pinned on Adkins wall and the scouts should be able to say yea or nay.
If they can't bin em.

 

[Silent Blade]

I'm not sure people think we can 'buy success' it's the lack of planning.

We're a football club, we need a first choice defence, a fist choice midfield and a strike force all playing in front of a goalie. That's not much to sort out.

The squad overall isn't too bad for a third division campaign but there were gaps and these gaps were known last season.

Progress made at filling the gaps is limited to the strike force. That's why people bang on about it so much.

Losing to Bury and scraping home against Rochdale doesn't help unless I'm missing something and Man City and Utd are quaking in their boots as the new kids on the block are on the march?

Our squad is not as strong as it was in 2011/12 and at present we have too many players who are on high wages. I read in the papers today that Blackburn need to sell Jordan Rhodes before their transfer embargo can be lifted. Dont know if we are in danger of having a transfer embargo on us, do you?

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

Our squad is not as strong as it was in 2011/12 and at present we have too many players who are on high wages. I read in the papers today that Blackburn need to sell Jordan Rhodes before their transfer embargo can be lifted. Dont know if we are in danger of having a transfer embargo on us, do you?

I'd have thought a transfer embargo would be unlikely as third and fourth division clubs are allowed to have their owners pump money in unlike the top two divisions where income has to be 'traceable'?

The pumping money in is probably not to be expected as high as we could manage in theory though?

 

[Silent Blade]

I'd have thought a transfer embargo would be unlikely as third and fourth division clubs are allowed to have their owners pump money in unlike the top two divisions where income has to be 'traceable'?

The pumping money in is probably not to be expected as high as we could manage in theory though?

You and I dont really know our financial position and how many players we can afford in wages. Who says the owners can pump in a lot of money in League 1 and 2 clubs? Right now we need a smart manager to get us out of this division and we hope Adkins will be the man. I would expect Adkins to have knowledge of our financial position before he agreed to become our manager just like when Dave Bassett came to us. Reg Brealey admitted to him that "we had no money" to buy new players so Bassett had to "wheel and deal"

 

[Blade58]

You and I dont really know our financial position and how many players we can afford in wages. Who says the owners can pump in a lot of money in League 1 and 2 clubs? Right now we need a smart manager to get us out of this division and we hope Adkins will be the man. I would expect Adkins to have knowledge of our financial position before he agreed to become our manager just like when Dave Bassett came to us. Reg Brealey admitted to him that "we had no money" to buy new players so Bassett had to "wheel and deal"

Well he's started the wheeling by flogging Murphy. What about the dealing?

 

[Silent Blade]

Well he's started the wheeling by flogging Murphy. What about the dealing?

Dont know the situation we are at the moment. Do you?
I may be wrong but I feel that we have too many players in the squad which makes it hard for us to bring in players on loan when SUFC and the club (the player is with) disagree on wages arrangements

 

[Blade58]

Dont know the situation we are at the moment. Do you?
I may be wrong but I feel that we have too many players in the squad which makes it hard for us to bring in players on loan when SUFC and the club (the player is with) disagree on wages arrangements

No, must admit I don't

What I do know is that Jimbob said the fee raised from the Murphy sale would go back into the first team squad

I don't see that has happened yet

Too many players, yes definately, but two have gone out (Murphy and Higdon), youngsters are out on loan (approx 4 I think),

 

[Silent Blade]

No, must admit I don't

What I do know is that Jimbob said the fee raised from the Murphy sale would go back into the first team squad

I don't see that has happened yet

Too many players, yes definately, but two have gone out (Murphy and Higdon), youngsters are out on loan (approx 4 I think),

I have said in here many times that I do not agree with the idea of Jim Phipps revealing too much on twitter etc because agents (I hate them!) and other clubs would be aware of what he has said and then they try to get the best deal when we make enquiries. I understand Jim Phipps has been quiet in his twitter in the last few weeks and I am glad of that because it is wrong to raise the fans hopes and then they put pressure on the club without knowing the full facts

 

[Blade58]

I have said in here many times that I do not agree with the idea of Jim Phipps revealing too much on twitter etc because agents (I hate them!) and other clubs would be aware of what he has said and then they try to get the best deal when we make enquiries. I understand Jim Phipps has been quiet in his twitter in the last few weeks and I am glad of that because it is wrong to raise the fans hopes and then they put pressure on the club without knowing the full facts

I'm not disagreeing with that SB, but that doesn't change the fact he said it. If anyone knows our financial status, Jimbob does and the fact he said that the Murphy money will go back into the first team squad must mean it can without issue

What we all want to see now is some action in addressing our on field deficiencies, but well before we all bemoan it as being too little, too late.

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

You and I dont really know our financial position and how many players we can afford in wages. Who says the owners can pump in a lot of money in League 1 and 2 clubs? Right now we need a smart manager to get us out of this division and we hope Adkins will be the man. I would expect Adkins to have knowledge of our financial position before he agreed to become our manager just like when Dave Bassett came to us. Reg Brealey admitted to him that "we had no money" to buy new players so Bassett had to "wheel and deal"

But Reg never mentioned game changing.

 

[William Henry Foulkes]

Jimbob does and the fact he said that the Murphy money will go back into the first team squad must mean it can without issue

What we all want to see now is some action in addressing our on field deficiencies, but well before we all bemoan it as being too little, too late.

Why hasn't the Murphy money been spent on the first team as we were told it would be at the time?

I do think this question needs asking and answering.

It may well be that we're biding our time with the Murphy moolah and hoping, I mean planning, to invest long term and wisely in the JTW - those are the noises emanating from the Lane - but it'd be helpful if we had something to go on rather than being left to speculate endlessly.

 

[Lord Bos of Eckington.]

Why hasn't the Murphy money been spent on the first team as we were told it would be at the time?

I do think this question needs asking and answering.

It may well be that we're biding our time with the Murphy moolah and hoping, I mean planning, to invest long term and wisely in the JTW - those are the noises emanating from the Lane - but it'd be helpful if we had something to go on rather than being left to speculate endlessly.

The long term and wisely investment in the JTW does appear to be Hammond and Burn , unless i am missing something . It may well be that we have a internal transfer embargo by McCabe and Prince until the Murphy money arrives with the down payments . I just cannot think of a reason why these deals are not being brokered one way or another , especially if they could mean the differance between success and failure . Waiting until January , if they come off , just puts us on the back foot , and especially with the league this season , we could be on the front foot by a mile , if sorted now.

UTB

 

[judge]

You and I dont really know our financial position and how many players we can afford in wages. Who says the owners can pump in a lot of money in League 1 and 2 clubs? Right now we need a smart manager to get us out of this division and we hope Adkins will be the man. I would expect Adkins to have knowledge of our financial position before he agreed to become our manager just like when Dave Bassett came to us. Reg Brealey admitted to him that "we had no money" to buy new players so Bassett had to "wheel and deal"

its in the ffpp
Rules its been explained many times on here

 

[Silent Blade]

its in the ffpp
Rules its been explained many times on here

OK

 

[BushBlade]

OK

http://www.financialfairplay.co.uk/latest-news/the-benefactor-model-permitted-in-league-1-and-2

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

Surely the Murphy sale makes some money available?

UTB

Available yes, available to spend due to rules, maybe not.

 

[sheffielder]

Available yes, available to spend due to rules, maybe not.

Can you explain why maybe not? All very confusing considering the rules that you can spend 60% of income on players and we have lost Murphy and Higdon from the wage bill too. What am I missing?

 

[grafikhaus]

'Oh and we now have more, Jim Phipps has just tweeted - "100% of the transfer fee will be instantly made available to Nigel Adkins"

As I have said in a previous thread, every time Jimbob makes such a statement, I can't help thinking there's always two different ways of looking at it and could have a double meaning

Like this one. 100% of which transfer fee? Murphy? Adams...?

 

[Revolution]

But Reg never mentioned game changing.

Bassett said that the directors had always been honest with him. They had told him at the outset there was no money, and there never was.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

Why should "this period" cost us promotion? It's a long season. We will finish above all the teams presently above us in any event.

Unlike you, me and the Deadline Day Devotees, Nigel Adkins has done this before. It's pretty naive and quite insulting to suggest he's strolling along in some sort of daydream, blissfully unaware of what's needed, whilst Jimmy White's Deadline Day Army know better...

“We will finish above all the teams presently above us in any event.”- That’s a very bold statement and one I’m not convinced I agree with. I hope you’re right because if we pick up enough points to see off all those teams above us, I can only see maybe Wigan getting more so that should make us top 2. Personally, I’m far from convinced at the moment that we’ll finish above Coventry. Wallsall and Gillingham are tough to call. Both have made very good starts. But Wallsall have a habit of selling their best players. For a change, this summer they didn’t. Let’s see if they can make it through January. Despite our tendency to sell our best player in August, I think we are less vulnerable than our rivals mid-way through a season if we are in the mix. I think we'll finish above Burton. Bury are another tough one to call. Those clubs don't have lots of strength in depth but if they have good luck with injuries, could go the distance. I can't help but think that this quote might lead to another "PInchy said" signature.



“Unlike you, me and the Deadline Day Devotees, Nigel Adkins has done this before.”- You could argue we have been doing “this” for the last 5 years. This being selling our best player every summer, talking about signing someone on deadline day, then talking about getting them on loan, then making do, then being off the pace. It’s all too familiar. We all hope it’ll be different this time some scepticism is entirely understandable.

 

[Silent Blade]

its in the ffpp
Rules its been explained many times on here

http://www.financialfairplay.co.uk/latest-news/the-benefactor-model-permitted-in-league-1-and-2

Have thought about this this morning. What if we spend loads and loads this season and get promotion, will we have to sell players due to the Championship FFP rules? Bristol City spent loads last season but have made only two signings for this season (apart from loans)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015–16_Bristol_City_F.C._season

 

[Darthblade]

It annoys me when people think it is easy to buy success

Agreed ..... its not easy to just buy success, however, its certainly not hard to temporarily improve our current shit defence, until the January permanent window opens and it wouldn't even be too costly.
Same old SUFC Board deficiencies as usual .....
UTB & FTP

 

[Darthblade]

Our squad is not as strong as it was in 2011/12 and at present we have too many players who are on high wages. I read in the papers today that Blackburn need to sell Jordan Rhodes before their transfer embargo can be lifted. Dont know if we are in danger of having a transfer embargo on us, do you?

I thought we HAVE got a transfer embargo on us already ...... self imposed !!
UTB & FTP