CONFIRMED Kalvin Phillips

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Berkshire Blade said:
The board thought that way last summer.

Nobody sane would say we would hand been worse if we just stuck to the 90 points/play off final format
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We couldn’t stick to the previous format. That wasn’t ever an option. As soon as that second goal went in Ahmedhodzic, Souza, Moore and others all needed to be sold.

Even if we’d have kept Wilder, his team of bettis, hoyland and Allen were all involved in last years summer and haven’t done much better this year. If you need more evidence just look at our pathetic January business.

There’s no evidence to support the opinion that keeping wilder last summer would have materially changed the position. Would we have signed McGuinness? Maybe not, but we might have signed a Shackleton. We might not have signed a Chong but we could have signed a Harry Clarke instead.
 
KMC-1889 said:
We couldn’t stick to the previous format. That wasn’t ever an option. As soon as that second goal went in Ahmedhodzic, Souza, Moore and others all needed to be sold.

Even if we’d have kept Wilder, his team of bettis, hoyland and Allen were all involved in last years summer and haven’t done much better this year. If you need more evidence just look at our pathetic January business.

There’s no evidence to support the opinion that keeping wilder last summer would have materially changed the position. Would we have signed McGuinness? Maybe not, but we might have signed a Shackleton. We might not have signed a Chong but we could have signed a Harry Clarke instead.
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Do you, hand on heart, think we would have gone from 90 points to not even 73/4 that an an embargoed Hull got into the play offs with?

Yes we would have lost some like anel naturally but imagine not wasting money on the bloated useless summer window and a smaller more focused higher quality window?!
 
Berkshire Blade said:
Do you, hand on heart, think we would have gone from 90 points to not even 73/4 that an an embargoed Hull got into the play offs with?

Yes we would have lost some like anel naturally but imagine not wasting money on the bloated useless summer window and a smaller more focused higher quality window?!
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Selles was only here for five league games. If we mirror wilders results from those five games he would have won an extra 4 points (He drew against Swansea, beat millwall, lost to Charlton, Middlesboro and Ipswich).

Based on his signings from January (and the previous Jan) we definitely would have wasted money on bloated useless signings.
 
KMC-1889 said:
Selles was only here for five league games. If we mirror wilders results from those five games he would have won an extra 4 points (He drew against Swansea, beat millwall, lost to Charlton, Middlesboro and Ipswich).

Based on his signings from January (and the previous Jan) we definitely would have wasted money on bloated useless signings.
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I think we’d have been more than 4 pts better off as the squad was poor Selles hadn’t got a clue we were severely weakened by the player sales and what he brought in I’m not sure we’d have got anything near 90pts though.
 
KMC-1889 said:
Selles was only here for five league games. If we mirror wilders results from those five games he would have won an extra 4 points (He drew against Swansea, beat millwall, lost to Charlton, Middlesboro and Ipswich).

Based on his signings from January (and the previous Jan) we definitely would have wasted money on bloated useless signings.
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If you think the damage done by Selles ended the day he left you are off your head insane or not debating in good faith...
 
Berkshire Blade said:
If you think the damage done by Selles ended the day he left you are off your head insane or not debating in good faith...
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I'm trying to explain to you that you can't blame the issues at the club on one singular person, especially when we continue to have the same issues season after season after season.

Either

A) Selles was in complete control of all scouting, data analysis, contract negotiations, fee negotiations and player sales, in which case why do we pay millions a year for a CEO, Head of Scouting, Data Analytics and a Contracts Manager when one man can do it all?

B) Selles was badly let down by the (lack of) structure of the club that would enable any other manager to come in and deliver results. The fact that the current club structure comprises of Wilder's mates that would be out of a job at any other club I'm sure is purely coincidental. Anyone at the club with any talent (Andrews, Lester, Hecky, McCall, Knill) have all been able to find gainful employment away from Sheffield United, something our current mob can't.

Lest we forget he started the season with a centre-back pairing for Bindon and Norrington-Davies, and a bench that had One, Marsh, Ukaki, Sasnauskas & Soumare. Do you think that was Selles' choice or was he badly let down by the club?

Clubs get managerial appointments wrong all the time. A most of them address it quickly and go again (Norwich, Southampton etc...). We're stuck in a doom loop because we've got a board to afraid or too incompetent to address the underlying issues with the club - and that issue is that we're run like the worlds biggest pub team.
 



KMC-1889 said:
I'm trying to explain to you that you can't blame the issues at the club on one singular person, especially when we continue to have the same issues season after season after season.

Either

A) Selles was in complete control of all scouting, data analysis, contract negotiations, fee negotiations and player sales, in which case why do we pay millions a year for a CEO, Head of Scouting, Data Analytics and a Contracts Manager when one man can do it all?

B) Selles was badly let down by the (lack of) structure of the club that would enable any other manager to come in and deliver results. The fact that the current club structure comprises of Wilder's mates that would be out of a job at any other club I'm sure is purely coincidental. Anyone at the club with any talent (Andrews, Lester, Hecky, McCall, Knill) have all been able to find gainful employment away from Sheffield United, something our current mob can't.

Lest we forget he started the season with a centre-back pairing for Bindon and Norrington-Davies, and a bench that had One, Marsh, Ukaki, Sasnauskas & Soumare. Do you think that was Selles' choice or was he badly let down by the club?

Clubs get managerial appointments wrong all the time. A most of them address it quickly and go again (Norwich, Southampton etc...). We're stuck in a doom loop because we've got a board to afraid or too incompetent to address the underlying issues with the club - and that issue is that we're run like the worlds biggest pub team.
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Well, that all makes sense to me -good post
 
Berkshire Blade said:
If you think the damage done by Selles ended the day he left you are off your head insane or not debating in good faith...
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Not exactly what I am saying is that I’d Wilder or another manager had been in charge the transfer window in the summer would have been different and far better which has a knock on affect for the rest of the season ie if Moore hadn’t gone then he can’t score against us and we most likely wouldn’t have signed Barry. Changing managers or comparing them is paradoxical because things may follow the same time line but with different players and that creates different systems.
 
PrestwichBlade said:
I genuinely struggle to believe we have any real sort of plan beyond the next season
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Well then the set up in place since 2016 until the Selles/bord era certainly got lucky...or knew what it was doing without much owner funding compared to the clubs we would want the same level of success as.
 
Berkshire Blade said:
Well then the set up in place since 2016 until the Selles/bord era certainly got lucky...or knew what it was doing without much owner funding compared to the clubs we would want the same level of success as.
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I know, it does make you wonder doesn't it?
 



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