Just not good enuff !

[Maidenhead]

and as a tax payer who is currently paying to hold up the financial district in this country, get back to work the pair of you and get my money back

Sorry mate, I quit.

Bonuses didn't match the stress.

 

[Autumn]

Sorry mate, I quit.

Bonuses didn't match the stress.

I hear you, I'm beginning to wonder why I do this job, I work through the night lately.

 

[beightonblade]

You have to spend money to make money?

What solid economic theory is that piece of advice based on?

We've spent plenty of money since we were relegated.

Fools and money .................. eh ?

 

[beightonblade]

And as a banker I've sen many businesses fail through overcommiting themselves on the basis of speculative cash flow

Yep an i've seen many companies go bust through lack of investment .........oh that along with how banks operate !

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

You answer you're own questions as you argue, BB has mentioned scouting.....There are hidden gems, and yes we seem to buy cheap as chips, as BB has stated.....it's like panic buying. We have quality within our team, but we sell that quality to make money.

I understand we have to sell blah blah blah, but if we have this ambition that Mccabe says we have, why not spend that little extra to keep people. Or find replacements of their calabre.....are you really suggesting a 3 mil player like Ched is on less that Naughton?

I hardly know anything, but I can see where BB is coming from.

Yes there are hidden gems and they usually blossom at team that does have the pressure of having to push for promotion every year. Some of these gems turn into the real thing and some don't, it can be a very expensive market to work in and you need the right manager. There aren't many managers, Wenger aside, than can work in this market and compete at the top of a league.

You say we buy cheep as chips which is what you are asking for us to do, and then talk about Evans who cost £3 Million?

Sorry but I don't understand the point you are making. If you want to find hidden gems then you are shopping at the cheep end of the market.

If you are saying buy quality young talent then I agree but you are going to need millions to snap them up.
Case in point, Jonjo Shelvey from Chalrton would be an amazing signing to come into our midfield but he would cost £2-3 million. Would this type of player even come to BL and would the fans give a 17 year old time to be worth the investment?

 

[beightonblade]

Hidden gems ? ................... whats the point we just sell em !

Even little owd Swansea have told the vultures to f cuk off !

If only McCabe wud make the same commitment on the field as off !

 

[Maidenhead]

Yep an i've seen many companies go bust through lack of investment .........oh that along with how banks operate !

If a business owner will not, or can not invest in a business, why should a bank?

Banks are there to take a share of the risk. That share varies with the economic climate and the state of the competition for business at any given time.

So you are suggesting that MrMcabe puts more investment in because the banks certainly won't at the moment?

Maybe you should open your piggy bank and call him with your contribution too?

 

[Beighton_Blade]

You have to spend money to make money, we don't seem to ever want to do that. Hence the cheap as chips comment. BB makes good valid points. I don't agree with everything, but the basis on what he says it's about right.

In football, its not necessarily what you spend, its how you spend what you have available. We, more than anyone, should appreciate this given how our expensively assembled squad lost to Burnley who assembled a much cheaper squad with a few decent additions here and there.

And to say we don't ever spend money is, clearly, rubbish. Since our relegation from the PL we've spent amongst the (if not the) highest in the CCC, and certainly have paid more in wages than all bar now, the 3 relegated sides. What more can we spend without it risking our finances?

To say we never want to spend is quite rediculous when, we've spent £11m+ on strikers alone since relegation (BT, Sharp, Hendo, Ched, Ward), £1.5m on two left backs, and £2m+ on midfielders. Imho, its not that we don't spend enough, quite the opposite, instead we spend too much on the wrong sort of players. Nonetheless, when you look at the money spent on transfers alone, (excluding the enourmous wage bill and signing on fees) you surely have to say we've been more than willing to spend!?

Whats the point in spending 4 mill on one quality player, when the rest can't play up to his standards, that player ends up playing down a level to fit into the team.

Ok, so now you contradicting your 1st point and saying we shouldn't spend large sums of money on quality players like we have done on some occassions (£4m for BT, £3m Ched, £1.5m Cotterill). Or are you suggesting we shouldn't sign big money players, without spending it again 10 times over for the other positions? If so, then quite frankly, your either a little naive, or completely deluded.

Should we say no to Ched, not try an buy a striker we think could be prolific, because some of his collegues are not as good? What ambition is that then? I thought thats what you and BB were demanding?

We sign the players who KB thinks are the best for the positions he needs, for what we can afford. We can only spend so much money so he has to prioritise. Given a Man City-type budget i'm sure he'd be more eager than anyone to buy a quality midfielder and another striker, but on our budget, we have to prioritise and KB believes Chedwyn will offer more that what another midfielder will then thats his choice. As manager he will be judged in the long-term on his decisions, so its only fair he makes them himself.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Hidden gems ? ................... whats the point we just sell em !

Even little owd Swansea have told the vultures to f cuk off !

If only McCabe wud make the same commitment on the field as off !

Really because I'm sure they sold their leading striker to Wigan.

After being in the playoff positions last year, they've sold Scotland and how have they started this season.

 

[beightonblade]

If a business owner will not, or can not invest in a business, why should a bank?

Banks are there to take a share of the risk. That share varies with the economic climate and the state of the competition for business at any given time.

So you are suggesting that MrMcabe puts more investment in because the banks certainly won't at the moment?

Maybe you should open your piggy bank and call him with your contribution too?

A banker giving lectures on how a business shud be run !

That takes the biscuit !

 

[davidpinder]

Ok coming in late on this one i think the bottom line is we are scared to go up i,ve been to 3 playoff finals now and 3 terrible performances 2 under mcCabe were by far the worst so i ask, reason for selling beattie?? Answer his wages. I ask, so his extra goals wouldn't have got us up in 2nd spot ??? Quite obviously answer is YES there is something not quite right stop buying other clubs and concentrate on the big one we went down by 1 goal in 06/07 in a better premier league than it is now because if it wasn't Hull and Stoke wouldn't have stopped up. If we were in there now with the team that came down we'd easily stop up. Add Beattie and your looking at 10th-14th

Point made sort it out McCabe we should be going up this season

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

I ask, so his extra goals wouldn't have got us up in 2nd spot ??? Quite obviously answer is YES

Without checking, I think we failed to win more games WITH Beattie in the team last season than after he left. There's no way you can hand on heart say 100% that we would have gone up had he stayed.

 

[davidpinder]

Without checking, I think we failed to win more games WITH Beattie in the team last season than after he left. There's no way you can hand on heart say 100% that we would have gone up had he stayed.

sorry one thing i know he got goals when we needed them and i look at pigs and donny at home, and Burnley away we needed a goal and he would of got them. The man was a goal machine and didn't want to leave. He even went to the team hotel for the Preston playoff game

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

sorry one thing i know he got goals when we needed them and i look at pigs and donny at home, and Burnley away we needed a goal and he would of got them. The man was a goal machine and didn't want to leave. He even went to the team hotel for the Preston playoff game

Oh yeah, it's easy to quote games where we lost points and say he would have made a difference but what about the dozen plus games he failed to score in when he was with us last season ? What about the amount of goals he scored from open play ?

Great striker, yes, would he have guaranteed us promotion had he stayed, no way.

 

[davidpinder]

Oh yeah, it's easy to quote games where we lost points and say he would have made a difference but what about the dozen plus games he failed to score in when he was with us last season ? What about the amount of goals he scored from open play ?

Great striker, yes, would he have guaranteed us promotion had he stayed, no way.

look at his goal record for us it speaks for itself yes am quoting games we lost because they stand out where we missed him i remember a cracking free kick to make a certain game 2-2 in his first season

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

look at his goal record for us it speaks for itself yes am quoting games we lost because they stand out where we missed him i remember a cracking free kick to make a certain game 2-2 in his first season

Not knocking him or his record, just saying that for every game you say he could have made a difference, there's an earlier game when he didn't.

 

[davidpinder]

point made but do you think he could of made a difference at Wembley then instead of the other Beattie??

 

[Maidenhead]

A banker giving lectures on how a business shud be run !

That takes the biscuit !

You Sir are a complete arse.

Where do I give any indication as to how a business should be run?

All I have done is point out the realities of the financial markets.

It is the primary responsibility of the business owners to carry the risk because they are the ones that stand to make the greatest rewards.

If Mr McCabe does not wish to invest more then that is his perogative.

If you don't like it all you have to do is buy the business and then you can spend as much as you like.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Ok coming in late on this one i think the bottom line is we are scared to go up i,ve been to 3 playoff finals now and 3 terrible performances 2 under mcCabe were by far the worst so i ask, reason for selling beattie?? Answer his wages.

Not entirely true, McCabe stated that Beattie was sold because his agent wanted to sign a new deal which would make him the best paid player in the division. When we said we wouldn't talk until the end of the season they touted him round Premiership clubs until they got interest from Stoke.
Beattie's agent engineered the move, it didn't have a great deal to do with his current existing contract. That was an assumption that us fans just came to, as we didn't have the facts.

I ask, so his extra goals wouldn't have got us up in 2nd spot ??? Quite obviously answer is YES there is something not quite right stop buying other clubs

No it wouldn't of got us 2nd we have no way of deducing this.

As for your "stop buying other clubs" comment how would you of better invested the £200,000 we spent on Chendu?

Point made sort it out McCabe we should be going up this season

You've not made any points apart from shown a feeble grasp of the real situation at the club. People moaned about investing in the academy saying it was a waste of money, that has been proven to be massively wrong just as you are moaning about spending £200,000 on our China links.

 

[La_Blade]

sorry one thing i know he got goals when we needed them and i look at pigs and donny at home, and Burnley away we needed a goal and he would of got them. The man was a goal machine and didn't want to leave. He even went to the team hotel for the Preston playoff game

McCabe stated in his Q&A session that Beatties agent contacted them to request a contract extension and "substantial" increase in salary around Oct/Nov time. Considering he'd only just come back from a long injury lay off and he was already the highest paid player in the league, and the 3 year extension he was after would have taken him to 34 years old. It seems to me he was either being a cheeky sod, or he needed to tell his agent to wind his neck in. Either way it doesn't sound to me like a player who didn't want to leave, more like a player who wasn't bothered who he played for as long as he was being paid "well". As for Leicester it wasn't a bad result as far as I'm concerned considering they were all over us in the first half. I'm quite pleased we forced our way back into the game, Leicester will do ok this season I think and will certainly suprise a few teams.

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

point made but do you think he could of made a difference at Wembley then instead of the other Beattie??

Given the service Beattie II got, probably not !!

I think we changed our style a bit after BT left and became less reliant on one man. Goals came from more people and I think team wise, we probably had a better 2nd half of the season to the 1st.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

point made but do you think he could of made a difference at Wembley then instead of the other Beattie??

The player didn't want to stay, his agent arranged the move.

So please tell me how you can tell what kind of performance you would of gotten from a player who had been told he wasn't allowed to leave.

 

[Maidenhead]

McCabe stated in his Q&A session that Beatties agent contacted them to request a contract extension and "substantial" increase in salary around Oct/Nov time. Considering he'd only just come back from a long injury lay off and he was already the highest paid player in the league, and the 3 year extension he was after would have taken him to 34 years old. It seems to me he was either being a cheeky sod, or he needed to tell his agent to wind his neck in. Either way it doesn't sound to me like a player who didn't want to leave, more like a player who wasn't bothered who he played for as long as he was being paid "well". As for Leicester it wasn't a bad result as far as I'm concerned considering they were all over us in the first half. I'm quite pleased we forced our way back into the game, Leicester will do ok this season I think and will certainly suprise a few teams.

I agree with every word of that.

I actually enjoyed the game and whilst we could have won on the balance of chances it would have been harsh on Leicester if we had done so.

 

[fatpat]

Beighton spouts this drivel on another forum, 3 games gone and he's extrapilating that over a season! really depresses me that people like him bother to support our team.
constructive criticism is fine, following your own self important little agendas is tiresome and boring.
his messages boil down to "I want all the best players playing all the best football winning all the games and I want it NOW!!!"
everything thats wrong with the modern football fan

 

[davidpinder]

McCabe stated in his Q&A session that Beatties agent contacted them to request a contract extension and "substantial" increase in salary around Oct/Nov time. Considering he'd only just come back from a long injury lay off and he was already the highest paid player in the league, and the 3 year extension he was after would have taken him to 34 years old. It seems to me he was either being a cheeky sod, or he needed to tell his agent to wind his neck in. Either way it doesn't sound to me like a player who didn't want to leave, more like a player who wasn't bothered who he played for as long as he was being paid "well". As for Leicester it wasn't a bad result as far as I'm concerned considering they were all over us in the first half. I'm quite pleased we forced our way back into the game, Leicester will do ok this season I think and will certainly suprise a few teams.

Understand what you saying but we got 2.5m for him i just think he would of got us up then flog him if he was being greedy then we would have got a lot more than 2.5m if we went up

 

[davidpinder]

The player didn't want to stay, his agent arranged the move.

So please tell me how you can tell what kind of performance you would of gotten from a player who had been told he wasn't allowed to leave.

He was quoted as saying he didn't want to leave, i heard the interview on bbc stoke radio

 

[davidpinder]

Given the service Beattie II got, probably not !!

I think we changed our style a bit after BT left and became less reliant on one man. Goals came from more people and I think team wise, we probably had a better 2nd half of the season to the 1st.

i think the missed chance'ssss that beattie 2 missed agianst preston twice shows it wouldn't of mattered what service he got. Beattie 1 made his own goals

 

[davidpinder]

i think the missed chance'ssss that beattie 2 missed agianst preston twice shows it wouldn't of mattered what service he got. Beattie 1 made his own goals

just like Tonge

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

He was quoted as saying he didn't want to leave, i heard the interview on bbc stoke radio

So why didn't he get his agent to stop touting him round the Premiership then?

Why did he sign if he didn't want to do?

He may not of wanted to leave but he certainly wasn't forced out. It was his decision to leave the club even if he didn't especially want to leave. He wanted more money, and fair play to him, but don't them pretend that we had much of a choice.
The manager, board and fans didn't want him to go.

Oh and we actually got £3.5 Million for him.

 

[davidpinder]

So why didn't he get his agent to stop touting him round the Premiership then?

Why did he sign if he didn't want to do?

He may not of wanted to leave but he certainly wasn't forced out. It was his decision to leave the club even if he didn't especially want to leave. He wanted more money, and fair play to him, but don't them pretend that we had much of a choice.
The manager, board and fans didn't want him to go.

Oh and we actually got £3.5 Million for him.

just like tonge you mean who finished training an had a car waiting for him and being told were flogging you to stoke cars there? If a club tells you your off your off i'd go if i felt the club wanted to sell me