Jose Baxter

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sitwell said:
This is it though Brownie ,there is always an excuse ,its the company he kept ,he got spiked ,now he wheels out depression. Since when did depression make you get off your tits in a nightclub on cocaine and ecstasy (twice) and blame your mates on spiking your drink ?
How far can you use the depression excuse. Whats to stop old Pete the Yorkshire ripper saying I had a bit of the old depression back in the 80s ,it made me take a hammer to a few lasses ,but Im OK now just need an arm round me and Ill be fine.
To me it looks like an excuse and actually doesn't help the case of people who really do suffer.
I have to disagree on the cracking footballer bit too ,we were utter shit then ,at his very best he wouldn't make our bench ,look at the likes of Norwood and Coutts who really can pass a ball and not just gamble.
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It is probably a bit simplistic to say that depression is an excuse for his behaviour though. Drink and drugs are a nightmare for anyone who suffers with depression because they are a form of escapism. The links between forms of depression, alcoholism, drug addiction and other serious problems are frighteningly clear. In many cases depression is the precursor in instances of bad behaviour, and I can easily where Jose Baxter comes from when he said he has suffered with depression as it explains a lot.
 



Does anyone on here really know whether Baxter was a wrong’un who also had mental ill health, or someone whose mental ill health caused them to behave like a wrong’un? The truth is likely a mixture of both.

Personally I came to resent him as a United footballer. Unprofessional, overweight, uncommitted and part of the worst midfield I’ve ever seen. If his lengthy list of sins can be more easily forgiven now, I’m not in a position to say. But as brownie says, thankfully for us, he’s in our past.
 
Touted as the next big star and first team debut at 16 for Everton, it is all too easy to see why things might not have worked out. Especially given the hype and pressure on his young shoulders, he didn’t make the progress he wanted to, and that will have been hard for him to accept that instead of being a big star, his destiny was to become a journeyman. I’ve read Joey Barton’s book and he is candid about some of the characters that you encounter as an aspiring footballer on Merseyside but he left them well alone but he also had his other demons to contend with.

Baxter used to frustrate the fuck out me,as did a few others of that time. I didn’t have much beef with some of the limited but honest triers that we had at that time. But it was the likes of Baxter, Diego De Juve, Westlake and McNulty who really frustrated me, but the culture they brought in to the club was swiftly eradicated by Wilder
 
For all Baxter's issues he was still one of our best players back then, which says a lot about how poor some of his teammates were. We've moved on and hopefully he has too, so if he can finally manage to make some good from his past then good luck to him, he scored today and can probably play out the last few years of his career in League 1 or 2 if he can stay out of trouble.
 
Ginger Gnome said:
For all Baxter's issues he was still one of our best players back then, which says a lot about how poor some of his teammates were. We've moved on and hopefully he has too, so if he can finally manage to make some good from his past then good luck to him, he scored today and can probably play out the last few years of his career in League 1 or 2 if he can stay out of trouble.
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Agreed. It’s a shame his life went south as he would have been incredible under Wilder.
 
Chali 2na said:
When I was depressed I tried to use self-medicate with drugs, as it appears Jose Baxter did too.

It's fine not to agree that he's a "cracking footballer", and I suppose it's fine to still be dissapointed with the way it all turned out. However' it's extremely callous to call him some of the names you have on this thread, and comparing him to the Yorkshire ripper takes the biscuit: you're making yourself look bitter and completely lacking in empathy.
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Completely agree with you mate. People as ignorant as this are the actual problem. For too long, too many held views like this and that's why the support available is crap. If better support was available Baxter may not have chosen to take drugs as an escape.

Therefore using sitwells logic, it is his fault Baxter took drugs.
 
Being an older fan I feel that life today is more pressured than its ever been, getting a job, education, expectations, unemployment, buying your own place etc.
OK obviously mental health issues have always been around but I still feel modern living contributes a lot in this area and I have sympathy for Jose
 
Seanshoreham said:
Being an older fan I feel that life today is more pressured than its ever been, getting a job, education, expectations, unemployment, buying your own place etc.
OK obviously mental health issues have always been around but I still feel modern living contributes a lot in this area and I have sympathy for Jose
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Agreed.

However, the fact that many 20 somethings can’t understand the most obvious of links between regular drug use and clinical depression is staggering.

In fact, 30 40 and 50 somethings as well !!

UTB
 
Blew a number of chances in his career and was lucky to not get worse for his assault on a night out whilst with us.

Not much sympathy seeing him slide into non league and waste his talent, particularly as I'm not aware of any notable personal issues he's had to cope with.
 



Baxter once asked someone I know if he was selling any drugs on a night out in Barnsley.

He promptly got told to fuck off and he scarpered with his tail between his legs.

Very silly behaviour for a professional footballer.
 
anglian blade said:
in the absence of any real news I thought I would churn this out

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52282283
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I watch a fair bit of this as I get it with my ESPN subscription. Standard is pretty awful, though a couple of years ago I watched Joe Cole and Didier Drogba face each other in what looked like a school playing field in Florida.

There is a USL League One below this too which is dreadful.
 
"I am not on my own too much - most of my team-mates live in the same complex, so we cook together or watch Netflix, which is good for camaraderie."

Breaking Bad?
 
Dkc said:
"I am not on my own too much - most of my team-mates live in the same complex, so we cook together or watch Netflix, which is good for camaraderie."

Breaking Bad?
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Presumably he meant cooking food, not meth.
 



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