Jose Baxter

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Always rated him as a player, with the right application he could have made a top end championship or even premiership player. He has a football brain and sees things that others don’t, it was just his execution which did not come off, we know why, but with a clean mind and fit body he is a quality footballer.
GLTTL, seems to have learnt the error of his ways needs to put something back into helping others
 



Ta for the link. I struggle to really bear a grudge against him. He's human. Given a load of money at a young age and led to believe you're untouchable, surrounded by people who only reinforce that belief, some people will go off the rails. He's not the first and won't be the last. Good luck to him in getting his career back on track. Separate point but it also sounds to me like he's admitting he wasn't actually spiked that first time, which is a positive (although whether there are wider implications of that, I'm not sure).
 
As someone who has suffered depression in the past, the worst think about depression is that it’s called “depression” and people think you’re just depressed or it’s a just an extreme mood type of thing. This leads to people saying “shake yourself” or “snap out of it” and other such rubbish.

Your brain is broken, it’s not sending the correct signals. There’s a chemical inbalance. When it happened to me I couldn’t even function, even going to the shop was a task and a half as being around people made me want to burst out crying.

It’s like breaking your arm, your arm won’t work. Would you tell them to “shake themselves”? If it had another name, a syndrome for example people could perhaps understand it more. Unfortunately being called depression invites the “snap out of it” comments.

Consider yourselves now educated!! The next time a wealthy footballer comes out with depression perhaps now you might refrain from wondering how he can be depressed on all that money. Money has nothing to do with it, his mind is broken and needs fixing.

Hats of to Jose. Hope he turns his life around, there’s a good player in there somewhere.
 
I liked Jose when he signed for us and there was a period under Clough where I thought he was just becoming the player we all thought he could be. But it’s a familiar pattern with him. Stories of success and then crashing back to the gutter.

I’ve tried to find the BBC article which was written about him in around 2011/12 when he was at Oldham, having turned down a contract at Everton for first team football elsewhere it also read in a similar way to this one from today.

Caught with drugs, in with the wrong crowd, footballer with it all, nearly loses it, rises from the ashes and signs for oldham, does well. This is the best I could find from then:

Ex-Everton wonderkid Jose Baxter on the search for first-team football
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/19522021

I think there was a similar one when we played in the semi v Hull in 2014... his stock rising again.

And there may have been similar after he came back from his drug ban, but more to thank the club... and then he was gone.

Jose seems to be getting professional help and I know that mental health is a bigger issue now, but after so many players like Best, Merson, Adams, Gazza to name a few, why is the game so slow to react to players with problems? It was clear when he was with us he needed help. Clubs like Everton have psychologists and doctors, why weren’t the signs picked up sooner.
 
bertieblade said:
Always rated him as a player, with the right application he could have made a top end championship or even premiership player. He has a football brain and sees things that others don’t, it was just his execution which did not come off, we know why, but with a clean mind and fit body he is a quality footballer.
GLTTL, seems to have learnt the error of his ways needs to put something back into helping others
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Wow ,the most over rated footballer ever ,he just gambled on Hollywood passes that very rarely came off. Utter shite both as a footballer and as a human being ,took the piss out of Sheffield United ,its fans and staff for the whole of his time here. First rate cunt ,will never learn the error of the ways ,plain and simply a user.
 
sitwell said:
Wow ,the most over rated footballer ever ,he just gambled on Hollywood passes that very rarely came off. Utter shite both as a footballer and as a human being ,took the piss out of Sheffield United ,its fans and staff for the whole of his time here. First rate cunt ,will never learn the error of the ways ,plain and simply a user.
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What an utter twat you are
 
TomHeffernan said:
As someone who has suffered depression in the past, the worst think about depression is that it’s called “depression” and people think you’re just depressed or it’s a just an extreme mood type of thing. This leads to people saying “shake yourself” or “snap out of it” and other such rubbish.

Your brain is broken, it’s not sending the correct signals. There’s a chemical inbalance. When it happened to me I couldn’t even function, even going to the shop was a task and a half as being around people made me want to burst out crying.

It’s like breaking your arm, your arm won’t work. Would you tell them to “shake themselves”? If it had another name, a syndrome for example people could perhaps understand it more. Unfortunately being called depression invites the “snap out of it” comments.

Consider yourselves now educated!! The next time a wealthy footballer comes out with depression perhaps now you might refrain from wondering how he can be depressed on all that money. Money has nothing to do with it, his mind is broken and needs fixing.

Hats of to Jose. Hope he turns his life around, there’s a good player in there somewhere.
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Great post mate - me too and still do!
 
sitwell said:
Thank you. Im sure youre a very nice person.
Short memories , a soundbite telling everyone what a lovely individual you are , and such a victim ,what a lot of horse shit.
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I wouldn’t wish it on anyone. Should one of your loved ones be diagnosed with it I guarantee you won’t be telling them that it’s “horse shit”.
 
FYT said:
Great post mate - me too and still do!
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Well I hope everything is going well at the minute mate! I’ve been fine for over 2 years now and I’m off the meds but I know it’ll rear it’s ugly head again at it’s generally something that comes around every 3 or 4 years. I’m lucky though it doesn’t hang around for long. Perhaps a month or so. Some people live with it every day for life. I’m a lucky one.
 
I think a huge part of Jose Baxter’s problems was the company he kept. He was knocking about with all the wrong uns and making all the wrong choices. I have sympathy with the depression part, because that can also lead you in to making poor choices.

At the time of the second ban, I was furious that a Sheffield United footballer had let us down so badly, and what was even more frustrating is that I always thought there was a cracking footballer in there, and he had let us and himself down badly.

Fair play to him for opening up about his demons, and I hope he has got himself on the straight and narrow with everything, but in the grand scheme of things he is now just a footnote in our history.
 
TomHeffernan said:
I wouldn’t wish it on anyone. Should one of your loved ones be diagnosed with it I guarantee you won’t be telling them that it’s “horse shit”.
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How do you know I don't have it ? Still comfortable calling me an utter twat ? And yes I do know people with different degrees of depression ,both in civvy life and military including ptsd.
I don't trust Baxter one inch ,hes run out of excuses . But apart from that he was a massively over rated footballer who took Sheffield United for a ride on and off the field.
 
sitwell said:
Wow ,the most over rated footballer ever ,he just gambled on Hollywood passes that very rarely came off. Utter shite both as a footballer and as a human being ,took the piss out of Sheffield United ,its fans and staff for the whole of his time here. First rate cunt ,will never learn the error of the ways ,plain and simply a user.
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Lacks the athleticism to make it in the Championship.

he’s a idiot with depression but he’s still a idiot.
 



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I think a huge part of Jose Baxter’s problems was the company he kept. He was knocking about with all the wrong uns and making all the wrong choices. I have sympathy with the depression part, because that can also lead you in to making poor choices.

At the time of the second ban, I was furious that a Sheffield United footballer had let us down so badly, and what was even more frustrating is that I always thought there was a cracking footballer in there, and he had let us and himself down badly.

Fair play to him for opening up about his demons, and I hope he has got himself on the straight and narrow with everything, but in the grand scheme of things he is now just a footnote in our history.
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This is it though Brownie ,there is always an excuse ,its the company he kept ,he got spiked ,now he wheels out depression. Since when did depression make you get off your tits in a nightclub on cocaine and ecstasy (twice) and blame your mates on spiking your drink ?
How far can you use the depression excuse. Whats to stop old Pete the Yorkshire ripper saying I had a bit of the old depression back in the 80s ,it made me take a hammer to a few lasses ,but Im OK now just need an arm round me and Ill be fine.
To me it looks like an excuse and actually doesn't help the case of people who really do suffer.
I have to disagree on the cracking footballer bit too ,we were utter shit then ,at his very best he wouldn't make our bench ,look at the likes of Norwood and Coutts who really can pass a ball and not just gamble.
 
sitwell said:
How do you know I don't have it ?
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Because it'd take a very special kind of dickhead to have gone through depression and possess no empathy towards someone who's explaining that they've suffered themselves. I'd say it's nigh-on impossible.

You don't have to trust Jose Baxter. He's not our problem anymore.
 
sitwell said:
Wow ,the most over rated footballer ever ,he just gambled on Hollywood passes that very rarely came off. Utter shite both as a footballer and as a human being ,took the piss out of Sheffield United ,its fans and staff for the whole of his time here. First rate cunt ,will never learn the error of the ways ,plain and simply a user.
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Jose Baxter was one of the players when grandson was a mascot at the Lane, and he (and other hate-figures such as Collins) were very impressive in the way they chatted to the kids (and ageing relatives), and helped make that a memorable day. I hope he is successful in channeling his experience of failure into re-building his career and helping others.
 
sitwell said:
This is it though Brownie ,there is always an excuse ,its the company he kept ,he got spiked ,now he wheels out depression. Since when did depression make you get off your tits in a nightclub on cocaine and ecstasy (twice) and blame your mates on spiking your drink ?
How far can you use the depression excuse. Whats to stop old Pete the Yorkshire ripper saying I had a bit of the old depression back in the 80s ,it made me take a hammer to a few lasses ,but Im OK now just need an arm round me and Ill be fine.
To me it looks like an excuse and actually doesn't help the case of people who really do suffer.
I have to disagree on the cracking footballer bit too ,we were utter shit then ,at his very best he wouldn't make our bench ,look at the likes of Norwood and Coutts who really can pass a ball and not just gamble.
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Rather than thinking of them as excuses, just call them reasons.

That he hung around with a bad crowd doesn't excuse his actions, it's just the reality of the situation. To understand why he has ruined his career, you need no consider these things.

Without excusing it, it's turned out badly for him, he obviously wishes he had made more of his career and it's a massive shame. GLTTL
 
sitwell said:
. Since when did depression make you get off your tits in a nightclub on cocaine and ecstasy (twice) and blame your mates on spiking your drink ?
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People with depression often over-medicate, usually with drink but sometimes with drugs. Presumably Baxter claimed that his drink had been spiked because he didn't want to be banned / sacked. Understandable given the circumstances, if not morally right.

As for his abilities, Scholes thinks he's good enough to get in the Oldham side. I thought he was an instinctive footballer who had a peach of a pass and could score goals too. He wasn't quick, but you could see real potential. I imagine a drug-free Baxter could have staked a claim to a place in the current set up, perhaps in a similar role to Norwood (who also hits his fair share of ambitious passes that don't find their target).
 
The scariest thing about depression is that it can almost come out of nowhere to those you least expect. Jose just made some incredibly naive and silly choices in a privileged position, and knows he fucked up thus his diagnosis. I can have only so much sympathy for a man who has brought it all upon himself through such stupid decisions. As opposed to those truly suffering from something they can’t help. Having said that it’s so pleasing to see that United and Baxter parting ways has evidently been the best for both parties. Try to get your mates to open up every once on a while, you never know.
 
Wish Jose well and its sad that he has suffered from depression, and by the sounds of it then made silly choices as an escapism from reality. From memory, we backed him up during his time with us, but he never really opens up on what he thinks about his time with us, other than it was a low point because what happened off the pitch. Maybe he doesn't want to go into details but I'd be interested to hear what he thinks there.
 
sitwell said:
This is it though Brownie ,there is always an excuse ,its the company he kept ,he got spiked ,now he wheels out depression. Since when did depression make you get off your tits in a nightclub on cocaine and ecstasy (twice) and blame your mates on spiking your drink ?
How far can you use the depression excuse. Whats to stop old Pete the Yorkshire ripper saying I had a bit of the old depression back in the 80s ,it made me take a hammer to a few lasses ,but Im OK now just need an arm round me and Ill be fine.
To me it looks like an excuse and actually doesn't help the case of people who really do suffer.
I have to disagree on the cracking footballer bit too ,we were utter shit then ,at his very best he wouldn't make our bench ,look at the likes of Norwood and Coutts who really can pass a ball and not just gamble.
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When I was depressed I tried to use self-medicate with drugs, as it appears Jose Baxter did too.

It's fine not to agree that he's a "cracking footballer", and I suppose it's fine to still be dissapointed with the way it all turned out. However' it's extremely callous to call him some of the names you have on this thread, and comparing him to the Yorkshire ripper takes the biscuit: you're making yourself look bitter and completely lacking in empathy.
 
shrubbery said:
New article on the beeb about him:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/47394200
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Chali 2na said:
When I was depressed I tried to use self-medicate with drugs, as it appears Jose Baxter did too.

It's fine not to agree that he's a "cracking footballer", and I suppose it's fine to still be dissapointed with the way it all turned out. However' it's extremely callous to call him some of the names you have on this thread, and comparing him to the Yorkshire ripper takes the biscuit: you're making yourself look bitter and completely lacking in empathy.
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I used to get absolutely smashed when I was going through it. There were times when friends I was living with at the time would come home from Uni and they'd find me supping neat vodka in my room in the middle of the afternoon by myself. It was preferable to be off my trolley than to confront what was happening with my head and my life, and obviously doing all that made it 100 times worse. Turning to drugs and booze is exactly what depressed folk do all the time. I can particularly see ecstasy being desirable for the serotonin alone.
 
TomJonesBlade said:
I used to get absolutely smashed when I was going through it. There were times when friends I was living with at the time would come home from Uni and they'd find me supping neat vodka in my room in the middle of the afternoon by myself. It was preferable to be off my trolley than to confront what was happening with my head and my life, and obviously doing all that made it 100 times worse. Turning to drugs and booze is exactly what depressed folk do all the time. I can particularly see ecstasy being desirable for the serotonin alone.
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The problem with mental illness is that it’s easy to confuse the early symptoms with the cause. People often blame drink and drugs but in many cases, abusing drink and drugs is one of the first stages of mental decline. I’ve seen this with people I grew up with. You get ill, you get hammered a lot because you’re not right and your brain’s fucking with you, you get worse; people blame it on the drugs and booze thus it’s ‘your fault’.
 



BushBlade said:
The problem with mental illness is that it’s easy to confuse the early symptoms with the cause. People often blame drink and drugs but in many cases, abusing drink and drugs is one of the first stages of mental decline. I’ve seen this with people I grew up with. You get ill, you get hammered a lot because you’re not right and your brain’s fucking with you, you get worse; people blame it on the drugs and booze thus it’s ‘your fault’.
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Nail on the head there. Not sure if that's a pun on 'hammered' or what.
 
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