John Lundstram 'set to leave Sheffield United in January'

[Pittsburg Blade]

I think he will be happy to continue to get picked and play,not because it will help us or benefit us,but just to keep himself fit and in the shop window.

But of he plays out of his skin and bangs in a few goals his value will increase significantly.
Win-win all round.

 

[Dutch Blade]

The only relevant questions about Lundstram are

A. Are we still gonna use him? and
B. Are we selling him in January or letting him go for free in July.

I don't mind making a statement and not using him anymore, and only selling him in january for a great offer and otherwise he can train alone for 8 months and see what club wants to sign him after 8 months of no competitive play / training.

 

[Carlton Blade]

Steven's certainly wasn't under threat from anyone at the club, that appears to be clear, Lowe changes that.
As for Bogle, he puts pressure on Furious George to continue to improve, particularly offensively specifically with his distribution into the box, because that's what Bogle is a threat. If signing Bogle helps George step up in these areas, then he's still worth the price paid even if he doesn't take the shirt.

If Wilder sees Lowe as a genuine challenger for a starting place over Stevens then that's a good thing. Not sure I believe that was the case before the JOC injury.

And the one player who I don't think needed pushing to improve or train harder was Baldock. He's so much better technically than he was (he had to come from a fair way back) and everything about his game has improved in chunks while he's been here.

But Bogle has to play if he was signed to improve the attacking output, because we need to start being a real threat to score some goals. It's just difficult to drop a player like Baldock. His energy is so important to the team

 

[ChipButtyBlade]

But of he plays out of his skin and bangs in a few goals his value will increase significantly.
Win-win all round.

Lets hope he scores 3 against Man C .

 

[Bergen Blade]

The Toney point was just to show that L1 starts don't make players worse than those who've even played a fair few Premier League games. I just don't think Lowe has proven much more than RND. At least not enough to warrant blocking his way to the team (unless the plan is either to get rid of RND because he isn't good enough or for there to be a 3 way battle for LWB - which seems like overkill).

And I still stand by the fact that not signing anyone to play in the non-DCM roles this summer was a poor use of resources. I understand that resources are finite and that Bogle could be an excellent signing for the future. It just looks like it was a gamble that hasn't paid off

I've also been a big fan of RND since the first time I saw him. But I thought he was disappointing in the friendly against Derby in the summer. I thought he seemed to lack confidence and didn't look ready at all. Based on that maybe we thought a Championship loan would be better for his development. Then the chance to sign Lowe may have arised, and hopefully with those two we have that position covered for years. RND could even be an option at LCB.

 

[Carlton Blade]

I've also been a big fan of RND since the first time I saw him. But I thought he was disappointing in the friendly against Derby in the summer. I thought he seemed to lack confidence and didn't look ready at all. Based on that maybe we thought a Championship loan would be better for his development. Then the chance to sign Lowe may have arised, and hopefully with those two we have that position covered for years. RND could even be an option at LCB.

Probably right. And it might seem like I'm saying the WB's from Derby were bad business. I'm not. I'm just saying when you have finite resources it's always difficult to argue future value over current value and the money might have gone towards a starting midfielder (Look at the deal Liverpool got Jota on)

 

[Gin&Juice]

The only relevant questions about Lundstram are

A. Are we still gonna use him? and
B. Are we selling him in January or letting him go for free in July.

I don't mind making a statement and not using him anymore, and only selling him in january for a great offer and otherwise he can train alone for 8 months and see what club wants to sign him after 8 months of no competitive play / training.

Probably have to use him in some capacity. We don't have the luxury of leaving him out. Saying that, I expect his playing time to diminish once Fleck is back.

Think we'd more likely lose him to one of the Old Firm in January, i'm not sure any PL club would sign him, even though I think he's good backup for a bottom 6 side or newly promoted side looking to get numbers in.

He's not particularly the most gifted player, but I don't think he's as bad as some make out.

 

[Kev Gee]

The only relevant questions about Lundstram are

A. Are we still gonna use him? and
B. Are we selling him in January or letting him go for free in July.

I don't mind making a statement and not using him anymore, and only selling him in january for a great offer and otherwise he can train alone for 8 months and see what club wants to sign him after 8 months of no competitive play / training.

I would only sell him if it's to a club that would not be scraping away with us near the end of the season.

Why sell him to a club that will be down there with us?

That will narrow down the potential moves some what.

 

[Bergen Blade]

Probably right. And it might seem like I'm saying the WB's from Derby were bad business. I'm not. I'm just saying when you have finite resources it's always difficult to argue future value over current value and the money might have gone towards a starting midfielder (Look at the deal Liverpool got Jota on)

Swift was probably the one Wilder wanted, but Reading refused to do business. I also wanted another attacking midfielder, but Wilder seems to have remained hopeful Lundstram would sign a new deal.

When that didn't happen, combined with Fleck getting injured and Norwood's decline, we are looking weaker in midfield. But don't forget that we could be playing Berge-Ampadu-Fleck in a bit, and it could be very, very good.

 

[Carlton Blade]

Swift was probably the one Wilder wanted, but Reading refused to do business. I also wanted another attacking midfielder, but Wilder seems to have remained hopeful Lundstram would sign a new deal.

When that didn't happen, combined with Fleck getting injured and Norwood's decline, we are looking weaker in midfield. But don't forget that we could be playing Berge-Ampadu-Fleck in a bit, and it could be very, very good.

Fleck has been very fragile recently. I do worry that we are going to have a really stop start season with him

 

[BornOnShorehamStreet]

It doesn't help his case with the fans when he goes into some very rash tackles early in matches that in my mind, could have caused to get straight reds.

Oh, and some very revealing EPL career stats including

Appearances - 40
Assists - 3
Big chances created - 8
Through balls - 3
Crosses - 88
Cross accuracy - 18%
Shots - 49
Shots on target - 13
Shooting accuracy - 27%
Big Chances missed - 6
Yellow Cards - 8

Not the best I don't think

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[CaptainMorgans]

The other thing to consider is the money he's missed out on these last two seasons by not signing a deal with us.

Let's say he's on about £4k a week (which I don't think is unrealistic given he's never signed an extension since he arrived here from Oxford) & we've offered him £30k a week.

£26k x 90 weeks (rough guess based on when he was offered the contract VS when he leaves) = £2.34m.
It'll have to be a very decent next offer that he gets for him to recoup that money & be given the same level of game time at this sort of level of football.

 

[CarlMcBlade]

Chris Wilder has seriously raised the bar in the midfield positions now. With the obvious class of Berge and Ampadu. Players like Lunny and even my favourite Norwood are starting to look out of sorts.
If Fleck can hit the same heights as last season all well and good. But I would start looking round now for a younger more talented upgrade for the LCM role in the Blades engine room.

 

[Stevo]

Fuck him off and let him rot in the reserves.....here endeth the threadeth

 

[Hartley Hare]

£3m signing on fee & £60k a week wages? Who on earth is going to pay him that...

That is a fair point Captain. I do not know but word on the street is interest from Burnley, Crystal Palace and Rangers.

I believe the point here is that, by running down his contract he can leave for a low fee or nothing at the end. This puts him in a strong position to negotiate a signing on fee, and or better wages with his new employer.

I do not know what he is worth, but based on the fee Spurs paid for Hojbjerg, in not dissimilar circumstances could it be £10-£12m?.

BBC report - 6 Aug 20

"Southampton and Tottenham have agreed a fee for Saints midfielder Pierre-Emile Hojbjerg after weeks of negotiation.

Spurs initially fell short of Southampton's £25m valuation of the Danish international, who has one year left on his contract.
The two clubs have now finally agreed a fee that is less than that, but a lot more than Spurs' initial £15m offer.

Three other clubs, including Everton, had previously offered a fee acceptable to Saints.

But the 25-year-old former Bayern Munich player, who was stripped of the Saints captaincy after telling manager Ralph Hasenhuttl he would not extend his contract, is set on a move to north London."

HH

 

[Hartley Hare]

Fuck him off and let him rot in the reserves.....here endeth the threadeth

"Don't bite of nose, to spite face."

Well at least you could keep that mask on if you decided on this rash action.

HH

 

[LJBlade]

It doesn't help his case with the fans when he goes into some very rash tackles early in matches that in my mind, could have caused to get straight reds.

Oh, and some very revealing EPL career stats including

Appearances - 40
Assists - 3
Big chances created - 8
Through balls - 3
Crosses - 88
Cross accuracy - 18%
Shots - 49
Shots on target - 13
Shooting accuracy - 27%
Big Chances missed - 6
Yellow Cards - 8

Not the best I don't think

John Lundstram Statistics | Premier League

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How does he compare with our other midfielders?

 

[BornOnShorehamStreet]

How does he compare with our other midfielders?

No idea.

All their stats will be in here somewhere

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These are the overall stats for the Blades

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[JOEYDEE]

I would only sell him if it's to a club that would not be scraping away with us near the end of the season.

Why sell him to a club that will be down there with us?

That will narrow down the potential moves some what.

Quite the opposite!
Don't think he would improve any club in the prem !

 

[LJBlade]

No idea.

All their stats will be in here somewhere

Premier League Players - Overview & Stats 2024/25 & Archive

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These are the overall stats for the Blades

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Yeah I managed to find it after I posted. His stats are similar to Fleck’s but better than Norwood’s (out of the ones you posted, which are obviously harsh to judge Norwood on, with him being less attack minded)

 

[Bearlie]

200th

 

[bertieblade]

I would expect him to have a deal already lined up to leave at the end of the season
I think he believes that he should be first choice and his nose was put out if joint when Berge Arrived.
he has contributed as he is the only guy who arrived late into the box, ie that was his job.
He does however tend to slow things down by taking too many touches and rarely plays or carry’s the ball forward
Do not think it will be too difficult to find an upgrade, just a pity that he will cost us money although as previously pointed out, the fact he has not signed will have kept him on a relatively low salary for 18 months +

 

[I should coco]

In the unlikely event anybody can be arsed to check my posting history, they will see I strongly defended him in 2017-2019 when he got stick for not being Coutts and was our regukar scapegoat. I thought there was a good footballer there and called it right.

The trouble is that I missed the chippy Scouser gene. The fact that CW picked him up from Oxford and gave him a chance in the Championship, then Prem, seems to count for nowt now with JL.

If the entitled twat and his agent thinks he can do better, then fine. Do one and don't look back, but don't be surprised if CW, your team mates and United fans don't exactly revere your part in our history.

FOTWHU

 

[BornOnShorehamStreet]

Yeah I managed to find it after I posted. His stats are similar to Fleck’s but better than Norwood’s (out of the ones you posted, which are obviously harsh to judge Norwood on, with him being less attack minded)

Let's face it, none of them are doing that well at the moment are they?

The thread is about Lundstram's seeming demands for more money than he's worth.

Comparing with others isn't relevant in the context of the thread, really.

 

[Stevo]

"Don't bite of nose, to spite face."

Well at least you could keep that mask on if you decided on this rash action.

HH

Don't bite the hand that feeds you.....aka fuck him off and let him rot

 

[Bergen Blade]

I'd keep him out of the side as much as possible now. It serves no purpose him being there, unless we really are desperate. I'd sooner see someone like Zak Brunt on the bench, who has a future at the club, than Lundstram.

I liked the run Brunt made in the video below, getting into the box, deciding that ball was going to be his and laying it perfectly off to Mousset, who sadly blasted it over.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

If Lunny plays tomorrow Wilder is weak.

 

[MalvernBlade]

I would imagine he pays good money to that agent to get him a better deal and maybe that agent has got him a better deal, who knows

I bet Duffy feels the same way, who knows

 

[Champagneblade]

I'd really be inclined to get Freeman back on January 1st and sell Lunny to Rangers asap. If they are looking to stop Celtic getting 10 in a row, then saving a few quid won't be their main priority. 10 in a row, they'll never hear the end of it.

I think Freeman has been unlucky. Him being injured at the same time as Fleck was really unfortunate. He could have really secured a spot in that period. He'd be having more chances now. I wonder if Chris regrets letting him go? He's a fan of round pegs and round holes. I'm pretty sure he'd be preferring the left footed Freeman to the right footed Lundstram at LCM, no matter how much we convince ourselves he is adept with both feet.

Who are we going to replace him with? A decent player from the Championship? This is exactly what Freeman is. No idea why he is on the bench, scored a great goal the other week.

When we came up, the midfield was Norwood, Fleck and Duffy. You can't get closer to that than Norwood, Fleck and Freeman. He'd be exactly the clever player we'd need. I'm assuming Berge would get bought especially given him Champions League comment this week.

Besides, it gives us a nice balance for now - Berge, Norwood, Ampadu, right footers and Fleck, Freeman and Osborn left footers. Plus you have Rodwell being paid a wage. He can't be so bad to occupy 3rd or 4th pick.

We can then maybe use that second loan in Jan and keep the money towards wages etc. We can't just keep spending.

Chris has his squad now. Let's concentrate on that. If Lunny wants no part, let's not cut our nose to spite our face for now, but settle it all in Jan so all parties can move on amicably.

 

[Brownieblade]

I bet Duffy feels the same way, who knows

You don’t know the individual situation, TBF to Lundstrum if he has done the same as Duffy he clearly has acted in a way where Wilder has felt comfortable enough to keep him around

Maybe Duffy agent couldn’t get him a better one and Duffy reacted badly to it