Outgoing? John Fleck

[Booker4]

Geeorr is Fleck worth anywhere near £5m...even in today's inflated market...take thee red tinted specs off.

His career has been average at best and he didn't get going at United until 15 games in...evidenced by being a regular bench warmer. Granted since then he has been excellent and finished the season as our strongest performer but he's spent most of his career in League 1 and has to prove, like a lot of the squad, he is capable of stepping up.

For me going to Rangers would be a step back career wise but they are a huge in Scotland and his boyhood club. Although a fee of £1.5m is about right for me.

Whether he's worth that or not, I feel letting him go would be disastrous not only to the team but also to the fan base who would feel let down again by the clubs decision to let its best players go. Its total crap anyway in my view. I doubt Fleck would even consider joining them anyway and he knows the the Scottish Prem is worse than the Championship.

This has made headlines because of one dubious source on twitter and one fan who has said he has seen him there. I'll eat my hat if this turns out to be concrete interest.

 

[mancunianblade]

Can I just point out here that he left Rangers because Rangers were no longer Rangers.. He also had a big falling out with McCoist and left on bad terms.

 

[Ricky]

£1.5m would be a bloody ridiculous fee for Fleck.

Some people need to catch up with things a bit. £1.5m is nothing in the Championship now.

Any offer would have to be double that for us to start listening.... at least I hope it would be.

 

[Norderner]

Geeorr is Fleck worth anywhere near £5m...even in today's inflated market...take thee red tinted specs off.

His career has been average at best and he didn't get going at United until 15 games in...evidenced by being a regular bench warmer. Granted since then he has been excellent and finished the season as our strongest performer but he's spent most of his career in League 1 and has to prove, like a lot of the squad, he is capable of stepping up.

For me going to Rangers would be a step back career wise but they are a huge in Scotland and his boyhood club. Although a fee of £1.5m is about right for me.

Nothing to do with red & white tinted specs. The kids got everything except blistering pace. He's more suited, like Coutts, to the championship. So if he starts this season like he ended last, I stand by my estimation, that in today's market, he'll be a £10m - £15m player by next January (I give you Jeff Hendrix, £10m to Burnley, your honour). The fact that CW picked this rough diamond up for free should not be used as a stick to beat us with, more due to the fact that CW is a talent spotter extraordinaire.

 

[Newbury Blade]

I was trying to be rhetorical.

Losing our best players at inappropriate times seems to have become a sad matter of life for us Blades. Let's face it, there's nothing new, my old man still talks about when we sold Mick Jones and Alan Birchenall at the same time

I remember when we sold Jones and Birchenall. And Deane and Fjortoft. And the Kyles. My point was that we didn't do this last season and I don't think it's going to happen this season.

 

[Sean Thornton]

1) The club formerly known as Rangers haven't got £1.50 let alone £1,500,000

2) £1,500,000 wouldn't buy Fleck even from club giveaway

3) They would have to throw in an additional 20 million if they want to include O'Halloran in the deal, but they could get Fleck for less if they keep the useless cunt

First paragraph is bang on. They spend more on legal fees than players at the moment.

 

[McGrath]

I remember when we sold Jones and Birchenall. And Deane and Fjortoft. And the Kyles. My point was that we didn't do this last season and I don't think it's going to happen this season.

Fingers crossed.

 

[Torrix1889]

I remember when we sold Jones and Birchenall. And Deane and Fjortoft. And the Kyles. My point was that we didn't do this last season and I don't think it's going to happen this season.

But think back to last summer and tell me who, apart from Billy maybe, was a saleable asset we were bothered about losing? The answer is no-one.....the season had been so shite under Adkins that as we entered the summer for the first time in a long time I was not worried about the crown jewels being sold as there simply weren't any! Che was probably always going to go, but I don't think the majority of Blades were bothered in the slightest. Last summers recruitment was all about clearing out the shite, (and don't forget Freeman and Coutts were on the transfer list and considered just that) and trying to re-build.

In the January window our players, who were just staring to look as though they could mount a serious challenge after a disastrous start were still not really saleable, they were just a bunch of honest, hard-working players bought together by an outstanding management team. We didn't receive any hostile bids for out top performers and instead were able to relax and add quality additions which ultimately saw us through.

Even now I am comfortable...if anyone leaves it will be on wilders say-so but I can't see anyone coming in for our players.....

Now this may be controversial but unlike a lot of sides who are an average team of, (often highly priced) excellent individuals in truth we are the opposite.....an excellent team of average individuals....."the whole is greater than the sum of it's parts"...as someone once said!

 

[Chief_Froley]

I think the only time we're going to have to legitimately worry about star players leaving will probably be January. Looking from the perspective of other teams players who could be seen as saleable assets like Fleck still have a fair chunk left on their contract and are a relatively unproven entity at championship level so will be seen as more risk than what they could be worth.

That said should a bigger championship club come calling we can worry but that's the nature of the beast. We can at least count ourselves lucky that someone like Fleck's stock is relatively high at a good age with a couple of years on his contract so we can be sure we would get a far higher value than 1.5 mil.

The way I see it I'm not too worried Overall as it can only really be to our benefit. Would anyone for instance really complain if we bought Leonard for 500k and sold Fleck for 2.5/3m?

 

[mattbianco1]

Would anyone for instance really complain if we bought Leonard for 500k and sold Fleck for 2.5/3m?

Yes. Wholeheartedly.

 

[unitedbhoy]

I think the only time we're going to have to legitimately worry about star players leaving will probably be January. Looking from the perspective of other teams players who could be seen as saleable assets like Fleck still have a fair chunk left on their contract and are a relatively unproven entity at championship level so will be seen as more risk than what they could be worth.

That said should a bigger championship club come calling we can worry but that's the nature of the beast. We can at least count ourselves lucky that someone like Fleck's stock is relatively high at a good age with a couple of years on his contract so we can be sure we would get a far higher value than 1.5 mil.

The way I see it I'm not too worried Overall as it can only really be to our benefit. Would anyone for instance really complain if we bought Leonard for 500k and sold Fleck for 2.5/3m?

Well me for one. Fleck is worth more than double that.

 

[S8blade]

I thought April 1st had been and gone! In other news looks like Kyle walker could well be man city bound! Good news for us if true ( presuming we have a sell on clause)

 

[Superblades]

We won't get anywhere near the £5 million some are saying. We signed him in League One and I'll have a guess that there will be a release clause in his contract.

 

[Chief_Froley]

Yes. Wholeheartedly.

Well me for one. Fleck is worth more than double that.

Okay, I was thinking in a much more pessimistic manner than what I actually believe he is worth. For the record he is easily a 5m+ player to me and I would want to keep him at all costs as he could be double that come January.

I was more making the point that the situation can be in our favour either way should the worst happen. We sold Adams, DCL and Ramsdale for good sums that meant Wilder could buy some good players in positions that we desperately needed to improve on (Lafferty, EEL, Moore, Carruthers etc).

Flecks value will be high given the factors I mentioned and should Wilder ever be given a concrete offer for him that he saw as good value then I wouldn't have too much of a problem should it be accepted. Welders track record for reinvesting back into the squad has earned him at least that much.

 

[davidblade]

There was no midfielder player in league one who had anywhere the quality of fleck from what I saw .
I think United would be mad to accept a bid of less than 4-5 million.

 

[grafikhaus]

There was no midfielder player in league one who had anywhere the quality of fleck from what I saw .
I think United would be mad to accept a bid of less than 4-5 million.

I'd agree. It's the old equation - if we accepted, say £2m for him, could we replace him for that? No.

 

[itsinyerblood]

Okay, I was thinking in a much more pessimistic manner than what I actually believe he is worth. For the record he is easily a 5m+ player to me and I would want to keep him at all costs as he could be double that come January.

I was more making the point that the situation can be in our favour either way should the worst happen. We sold Adams, DCL and Ramsdale for good sums that meant Wilder could buy some good players in positions that we desperately needed to improve on (Lafferty, EEL, Moore, Carruthers etc).

Flecks value will be high given the factors I mentioned and should Wilder ever be given a concrete offer for him that he saw as good value then I wouldn't have too much of a problem should it be accepted. Welders track record for reinvesting back into the squad has earned him at least that much.

All good observations Chief, and the figure of £5 million reflects the quality of play that Fleck is capable of producing. What I'd add is that the comparison with Adams, DCL etc is that they had so much to prove, whereas Fleck has looked head and shoulders above their potential, and he's managed to produce a standard of football that his peers acknowledged. So, at least £5 mil, possibly £8 or £10 mil if he can show that the Championship isn't a barrier to the quality he can produce. That's a realistic assessment, not one based on red and white bias. He's been the best midfielder we've had for at least 25 years, and I hope we keep Fleck as we'll move forward with the likes of Fleck, Coutts, Duffy, and Carruthers as our engine room.

 

[Booker4]

Why are fans even speculating how much Fleck is worth? They believe he is off? There would definitely be more media reports of this if it were true, especially with Rangers been a huge club with interest in their club from across the world and yet we've heard nothing since some lone "journalist" has said something twitter, not even from the opportunists from HITC?

 

[Slim Man]

Rangers have less of a budget than we do.
Non starter.

 

[Blade for Sale]

Rangers are now managed by a Portuguese who has already signed players called Cardoso, Dalcio, Alves and Pena. I think unless our man changes his name to Joao Fleckinho we're quite safe.

 

[wizadry]

Paul Coutts is in the same class (I sidestep the internecine row about who's best!). On that basis rumours of an imminent relegation struggle might be misplaced?...

You sidestep it pinchers because you know deep down that Fleck is a better player than Coutts and awards in his last two seasons go along way to proving that, along with his assists and all round play you can't really dispute it, surely? Fleck is a proper midfielder, not a bit part one.

It's not a problem that Fleck is better, it happens at every club that some players are better than others, infact it's a good problem to have as he isn't a million miles away from Fleck so it shows the standards we've set ourselves.

Coutts has turned his performances around and can hopefully keep it up next season, if he reverts to type then Tufty as you call him will have him out of the door in a shot. Hopefully for all our sakes it won't come to that.

Internecine did you say? Oh yes.

 

[Bladesway]

Be amazed if we took a gamble on our Championship future for 1.5m. I think some people need to remember it isn't 1995 any more, that is a derisory amount for Fleck.

 

[Norderner]

Please delete this embarrassing thread.

 

[The Crab]

Rangers have less of a budget than we do.
Non starter.

Rangers have less of a budget than I do. They'd have to copper up for a Bacon sarnie.

 

[GrayBlade]

Please delete this embarrassing thread.

The daft bit about this thread is that it was started based on a Tweet from an account with no followers and no other posts to its name at the time, from a 'journo' that can't be traced and so was almost certainly bogus, and yet days later it still rolls on.

 

[Kozzy_is_my_Dad]

I'll put this in Scottish terms so they can understand...


GET TAE FUCK, YA WEE SCROTES!

 

[Kozzy_is_my_Dad]

In other news, Scottish old firm rivalry is heating up again:

 

[blade too long]

As if Rangers have got a million pounds ,
been more believable if someone had put Southend

 

[Pinchy]

You sidestep it pinchers because you know deep down that Fleck is a better player than Coutts and awards in his last two seasons go along way to proving that, along with his assists and all round play you can't really dispute it, surely? Fleck is a proper midfielder, not a bit part one.

It's not a problem that Fleck is better, it happens at every club that some players are better than others, infact it's a good problem to have as he isn't a million miles away from Fleck so it shows the standards we've set ourselves.

Coutts has turned his performances around and can hopefully keep it up next season, if he reverts to type then Tufty as you call him will have him out of the door in a shot. Hopefully for all our sakes it won't come to that.

Internecine did you say? Oh yes.

Tufty made him vice-captain, which suggests he ain't gonna run the master ballslinger outta town anytime soon.

I'm delighted we have two proper footballers complementing each other delightfully in a midfield playing the right way. They have different qualities, which is all to the good, but both are high quality players. I don't think there's a cigarette paper between them. I bet they don't either:

 

[fishpie]

Tufty made him vice-captain, which suggests he ain't gonna run the master ballslinger outta town anytime soon.

I'm delighted we have two proper footballers complementing each other delightfully in a midfield playing the right way. They have different qualities, which is all to the good, but both are high quality players. I don't think there's a cigarette paper between them. I bet they don't either:

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