JOC and Basham

[Slim Man]

Firstly CHL is a purveyor of sarcasm and irony. He likes a wind-up.

Secondly, Basham was excellent last season, but nowhere near player of the year. I can think of five at least in front of him.

Thirdly, he isn't first name on the team sheet. In fact, if Tufty gets Linehan from Blackburn, Bash will be the one to miss out. He'll then have to fight for a place in midfield; where his appearances will be limited.

Basham will not be dropped. 'Tufty' (how pathetic) chooses his teams on performances and application, if Bash performs next season how he's performed for the past 6 months he does not get dropped. End of story.

 

[Pinchy]

You do realise you just say things with absolutely no context don't you?

I realise many things. One of them is knowing when I venture out of my depth. You, I'm afraid, have no such appreciation.

Please don't make me reach for my fly-swatter.

 

[Slim Man]

I realise many things. One of them is knowing when I venture out of my depth. You, I'm afraid, have no such appreciation.

Please don't make me reach for my fly-swatter.

Remember when you said John Fleck was a shit midget and 'Tufty' was Micky Adams II?

 

[wizadry]

Basham will not be dropped. 'Tufty' (how pathetic) chooses his teams on performances and application, if Bash performs next season how he's performed for the past 6 months he does not get dropped. End of story.

I get what you're saying regards Basham and I have agreed with most of it but if Wilder gets his man for another CB role then out of the three who play there currently I think Basham will be the man to drop out, as harsh as that may seem I think it will happen.

 

[Pinchy]

I get what you're saying regards Basham and I have agreed with most of it but if Wilder gets his man for another CB role then out of the three who play there currently I think Basham will be the man to drop out, as harsh as that may seem I think it will happen.

Of course it will. This joker is under the impression that he only has to wish things and they happen. He confuses, as I have said, what he wants to happen with what is actually going to happen.

 

[blade67]

First things first let me clear the air - I never used to be Basham's biggest fan at centre mid. That's no secret. He was clumsy, didn't have much on the ball talent, was always chasing the ball and positionally wasn't great. I thought at centre back in a 2 he was better but still not brilliant (apart from against Southampton). Then he went centre back as part of a Wilder 3 and he's been immense ever since. Probably undroppable as it stands.

He does the simple things well, as well as things like bringing the ball out of defence and picking the right pass. He's much better watching the game develop in front of him rather than in midfield. I have no doubt he'll step up.

But as good as he is, in JOC we have a £8mil centre half in waiting. What a player. There isn't really a weakness to his game. He's quick, he's strong, tall, aggressive in moderation, a good reader of the game and his left foot is better than Harry's right ever was and is. For me we're about to watch a premier league player develop in front of our very eyes. Brentford saw something originally to bring him in and let's be honest they don't get many wrong lately.

I think with the couple of negatives swaying around at the minute, fair as they might be, we have to balance it out. If these two get a proper leader in between them, be it Stearman, or if Jake Wright steps up AGAIN, or be it the other centre half we're after - the new keeper (looking likely) has nothing to worry about in front of him.

Also been very frustrated by bash over the years but he was great in the 2nd half of last season. JOC looks a different class and I'm sure Stearman is planned to start.

Looks like we need 1 more in this position, but I'd be happy if these 3 start the first game

 

[Pinchy]

Remember when you said John Fleck was a shit midget and 'Tufty' was Micky Adams II?

Now you mention midgets; you are rather like a little Jack Russell; snapping at his master's heels. I'm not sure what your objective is. Perhaps to set new levels in immaturity? Your present combination of ignorance and arrogance is singularly unimpressive.

 

[Snowman]

It is terribly boring

I get what you're saying regards Basham and I have agreed with most of it but if Wilder gets his man for another CB role then out of the three who play there currently I think Basham will be the man to drop out, as harsh as that may seem I think it will happen.

Yes. Unfortunately for Basham this may be true. Whether he manages to come back or gets to reinvent himself in a Booker/Webster role will be interesting to watch. For me, the lack of sentiment and pure drive of Wilder for what he wants is refreshing. Some players and fans (including me) are seriously going to be upset.

 

[Slim Man]

Now you mention midgets; you are rather like a little Jack Russell; snapping at his master's heels. I'm not sure what your objective is. Perhaps to set new levels in immaturity? Your present combination of ignorance and arrogance is singularly unimpressive.

Using big words really doesn't make your argument any stronger you know?

 

[Slim Man]

I get what you're saying regards Basham and I have agreed with most of it but if Wilder gets his man for another CB role then out of the three who play there currently I think Basham will be the man to drop out, as harsh as that may seem I think it will happen.

I really don't see it. Everyone from last season will have a chance to prove their worth before they're dropped.

Wright for Stearman probably an exception with Wright not having much of a pre season.

If Lenihan or another comes in and earns Bash's shirt fair play, but as it stands he is our second best centre half until Stearman proves his worth.

 

[Slim Man]

Yes. Unfortunately for Basham this may be true. Whether he manages to come back or gets to reinvent himself in a Booker/Webster role will be interesting to watch. For me, the lack of sentiment and pure drive of Wilder for what he wants is refreshing. Some players and fans (including me) are seriously going to be upset.

Talking of that I can see Baldock taking Freeman's shirt when he's back fit. I love Freeman but Baldock has that pace and dribbling ability that will be invaluable for us this season.

Shame he's picked up a ligament injury but he should be back before the season begins.

 

[Snowman]

Talking of that I can see Baldock taking Freeman's shirt when he's back fit. I love Freeman but Baldock has that pace and dribbling ability that will be invaluable for us this season.

Shame he's picked up a ligament injury but he should be back before the season begins.

I have been slaughtered on here for my opinion that Freeman has not come back as fit as he should. Hey Ho, I may be wrong and rushed to judgment, but you may be correct there with Baldock. He is a worthy addition IMHO.

 

[Slim Man]

I have been slaughtered on here for my opinion that Freeman has not come back as fit as he should. Hey Ho, I may be wrong and rushed to judgment, but you may be correct there with Baldock. He is a worthy addition IMHO.

Does strike me a bit with Freeman that. I reckon he might do a Razor Ruddock when he retires

 

[Pinchy]

I really don't see it. Everyone from last season will have a chance to prove their worth before they're dropped.

Wright for Stearman probably an exception with Wright not having much of a pre season.

If Lenihan or another comes in and earns Bash's shirt fair play, but as it stands he is our second best centre half until Stearman proves his worth.

To whom does Stearman have to prove his worth? You? I'm afraid no fucks will be given about that. Tufty is already perfectly satisfied and Stearman is his pivotal centre-back. Jack the Hat will play on the left. If the guy from Blackburn (or an alternative) signs he'll be on the right. If there's no further recruitment it will be Bash and deservedly so.

I've explained this several times now. I am not here solely to (attempt to) educate young tyros like you. Please pay attention first time in future.

Once again you are assuming that what you want to happen, will happen. You are becoming both tiresome and a bit of a joke. Settle down a bit. Do a bit more listening and a little less self-satisfied spouting.

I appreciate you will ignore my well-meaning advice...

 

[Pinchy]

Yes. Unfortunately for Basham this may be true. Whether he manages to come back or gets to reinvent himself in a Booker/Webster role will be interesting to watch. For me, the lack of sentiment and pure drive of Wilder for what he wants is refreshing. Some players and fans (including me) are seriously going to be upset.

True and our performances last season entitle him to do whatever he wants, including, in my case, leaving out Couttsy for example. We have to be mature in accepting that.

However, there really isn't room for a Webster or Booker in a proper football team. Tufty's bringing in Lundstram and wants Leonard as well. As it happens I think Bash can play a bit, which should be demanded of any midfielder, even one whose primary role is not a creative one.

 

[Slim Man]

To whom does Stearman have to prove his worth? You? I'm afraid no fucks will be given about that. Tufty is already perfectly satisfied and Stearman is his pivotal centre-back. Jack the Hat will play on the left. If the guy from Blackburn (or an alternative) signs he'll be on the right. If there's no further recruitment it will be Bash and deservedly so.

I've explained this several times now. I am not here solely to (attempt to) educate young tyros like you. Please pay attention first time in future.

Once again you are assuming that what you want to happen, will happen. You are becoming both tiresome and a bit of a joke. Settle down a bit. Do a bit more listening and a little less self-satisfied spouting.

I appreciate you will ignore my well-meaning advice...

I can completely and honestly say I have not one bit of interest in whatever it is you've just written.

 

[Snowman]

True and our performances last season entitle him to do whatever he wants, including, in my case, leaving out Couttsy for example. We have to be mature in accepting that.

However, there really isn't room for a Webster or Booker in a proper football team. Tufty's bringing in Lundstram and wants Leonard as well. As it happens I think Bash can play a bit, which should be demanded of any midfielder, even one whose primary role is not a creative one.

I can see where you are coming from with Webster as being the more "agricultural" of the two, but Booker, despite limitations had that indefinable heart that every team of lower league honest triers needs. I think Lundstram is a gamble to step up in the midfield engine room role. Big enough (just), tough enough (now), fit enough to take the shit and the weight off the ball players. Height is where he loses out. Former Everton and England youth. Who knows? If you can take a punt on Evans you can take a punt on this kid.

 

[Isaw Joeshaw]

Now that EEL's gone Basham is probably the player the least comfortable on the ball
But like Nick Montgomery of old, he pretty consistent, honest, does a job and does it well.

Some of our fans have recently turned into football snobs, although CHL does have a point (although exaggerated it).
The Basham type of player has been the norm for Sheffield United over the years.
It's only because we now have several players with class and quality that it makes Basham look non league in comparison to some of our other players.

Basham deserves his chance next season, he's Mr Reliable and Mr Versatile,
Most managers love that kind of player, where as most fans don't appreciate that kind of player.

Some good points there.

From my earlier days, his equivalent would be Cec Coldwell - never quite looked the part, always seemed a bit awkward but nearly always got the job done and made many players who fancied themselves look very ordinary.

 

[Smirth]

Wilder has made it clear he wants another central defender and it seems the guy at Blackburn is his first choice.

He won't come cheap, hence the struggle we have had to sign him so far so he will come at a price, and certainly is not going to come to sit on the bench so it will be Basham who misses out. It may be harsh but that's football.

Perhaps Wilder just doesn't think Basham is good enough for the Championship. After all, he is 29 now and has never really pulled up any trees in higher divisions in the past so there is no guarantee he is going to do now. It's down to Basham to prove he is good enough.

 

[Slim Man]

Bash BRILLIANT tonight. But of course, I bow down to the superior knowledge that he's apparently going to be dislodged without a fight as soon as Lenihan arrives

 

[Slim Man]

It's down to Basham to prove he is good enough.

And I think he will

He's started and carried pre season like he ended last year. He's on a real high at the minute.

 

[Cerberus Blade]

I agree, Basham has looked outstanding so far. Cannot fault the lad. He's going to be in the team no matter who we sign because he's versatile enough to play anywhere in the back line or midfield. It'll be a nice problem to have, wondering what to do with him, if we sign Lenihan or A N Other.

 

[Slim Man]

I agree, Basham has looked outstanding so far. Cannot fault the lad. He's going to be in the team no matter who we sign because he's versatile enough to play anywhere in the back line or midfield. It'll be a nice problem to have, wondering what to do with him, if we sign Lenihan or A N Other.

I think he's a RCB or RWB in emergency, nowhere else.

But we'll have 5 centre halves, all will be capable. No reason at all to believe Bash won't be one of the first 3.

People might point out he wasn't so impressive in the champ last time out but for one he was a centre mid, for two we've seen with our own eyes his game has come on leaps and bounds under Wilder and Knill.