Jim Phipps on Facebook

[Darthblade]

Because its done, gone, finished. Maguire is not coming back. Murphy is not coming back. Quinn is not coming back (maybe). Jones, Currie and Sabella are not coming back. Done (as in dun not Matty), finished, Dusted. What do we need and how are we going to finance it? Simples.

OK ..... I will comply with your request ....

We need, at least:
1 x GK 2 x CH 1 x CM 1 RW 1 x CF
None of the above NEED to be bought, could be loaned ....
None of the above NEED to be premiership / Championship players which cost huge fees and demand huge wages ....
They simply NEED to be above average, CONSISTENT players ( at this level ).

The GK must be able to command his area, organise and communicate with his defence and be able to distribute the ball quickly & accurately ....
The CHs must be big, strong, mean, uncompromising, dominant and 6ft + and weigh in with a few goals each per season. At least one must have a bit of pace .....
The CM must be big, strong, mean and be able to look after himself in the hand-to-hand battles of midfield, whilst being able to pick a pass when necessary and be uncompromising in the tackle ....
The RW must be big, strong, pacey and be able to actually cross the ball accurately and weigh in with a few goals over the season .....
The CF must be big, strong, pacey, able to hold the ball up when necessary and single-mindedly worship the need to score goals to justify his existence in life .......

We also NEED to cull the bulk of our bloated, over-rated, underperforming squad, either by loaning out or selling in January. I know this wont be easy, however, agents ( leeches ) are always on the look-out for the opportunity to make money by moving their players around so a bit of subtle ( and not so subtle ) pressure applied will probably reap rewards in this area. Failing this, quite a few are out of contract in the summer ( which is an incentive to look to move on if they are assured they have no future at the Club ). We can also look into the possibility of claiming on insurance for some "perpetually injured" players, to get them off the books.

There ...... I feel better already ...... over to you Jim !!
UTB & FTP

 

[Woodwardfan]

OK ..... I will comply with your request ....

We need, at least:
1 x GK 2 x CH 1 x CM 1 RW 1 x CF
None of the above NEED to be bought, could be loaned ....
None of the above NEED to be premiership / Championship players which cost huge fees and demand huge wages ....
They simply NEED to be above average, CONSISTENT players ( at this level ).

The GK must be able to command his area, organise and communicate with his defence and be able to distribute the ball quickly & accurately ....
The CHs must be big, strong, mean, uncompromising, dominant and 6ft + and weigh in with a few goals each per season. At least one must have a bit of pace .....
The CM must be big, strong, mean and be able to look after himself in the hand-to-hand battles of midfield, whilst being able to pick a pass when necessary and be uncompromising in the tackle ....
The RW must be big, strong, pacey and be able to actually cross the ball accurately and weigh in with a few goals over the season .....
The CF must be big, strong, pacey, able to hold the ball up when necessary and single-mindedly worship the need to score goals to justify his existence in life .......

We also NEED to cull the bulk of our bloated, over-rated, underperforming squad, either by loaning out or selling in January. I know this wont be easy, however, agents ( leeches ) are always on the look-out for the opportunity to make money by moving their players around so a bit of subtle ( and not so subtle ) pressure applied will probably reap rewards in this area. Failing this, quite a few are out of contract in the summer ( which is an incentive to look to move on if they are assured they have no future at the Club ). We can also look into the possibility of claiming on insurance for some "perpetually injured" players, to get them off the books.

There ...... I feel better already ...... over to you Jim !!
UTB & FTP

I'm not sure you've read Jim's statement. Money already spent, size of squad, injuries i.e. players out of the equation but still being paid. Honestly Darth, how much do you think all that would cost and all that on top of the fortune that's already been spent and the ongoing expensive wage bill. We are not out of the promotion race and if we go up we need to spend a lot more on Championship players to replace some 15 or departees next summer. The Board has to invest the right amounts at the right time rather than blow it all on this season.

 

[Bladepicker]

Then there are those type of people who are genuine Unitedites but have that sort of personality which always looks for impending disaster, conspiracies, the end of the world and all that. They are sincere but they have personality disorders in everything they are involved in, be it family, work, pub, club and so on.

Really?

So fans of a club that has been languishing in the third tier of English football for 5 years and doesn't seem to be showing any signs that that is about to end (having spent less time than that in this divison in its entire history before this spell) and don't look upon things with a sunny, positive disposition are suffering personality disorders?

What a complete crock of bullshit. Fact is we have been managed terribly from top to bottom and current actions show no sign of that changing. I am always hopeful and still think we can achieve success this season, but to say people who don't must have a personality disorder (because you do not share the opinion) is insulting to be honest.

 

[Woodwardfan]

Really?

So fans of a club that has been languishing in the third tier of English football for 5 years and doesn't seem to be showing any signs that that is about to end (having spent less time than that in this divison in its entire history before this spell) and don't look upon things with a sunny, positive disposition are suffering personality disorders?

What a complete crock of bullshit. Fact is we have been managed terribly from top to bottom and current actions show no sign of that changing. I am always hopeful and still think we can achieve success this season, but to say people who don't must have a personality disorder (because you do not share the opinion) is insulting to be honest.

Of course every supporter has every right to moan. It's the ones who go on Facebook with Jim Phipps that bother me and the general impression he and the prince gets of our supporters. That was the point of my post, not to deny anybody the right or justification to feel cheesed off.

To say there are no signs of change is simply not fair. Phipps could not have been more open with you.

 

[Dkc]

The number of threads which are deteriorating into petty spats is ridiculous "show me where I said that" should be banned. I don't post much but do read quite a few of the threads, this one as a subject / original post is perhaps more important than most on here, but after 20 pages, look at the state of it. Unreadable.
I was intending to post my opinions on JP's Facebook post, which is, on reflection, quite appalling in my view, but I don't see the point of trying to squeeze a serious comment in amongst the squabbles.

Agreed, I'm posting less too. It's great that there are so many new members on here, but I have also noticed recently that the interesting debate sometimes takes second stage to people slagging each other off. I gave up reading this thread due to the petty squabbling, which is a shame as I'm sure there are interesting posts I missed - but I can't be arsed trawling through pages of squabbling. The rules of the forum are there for a reason. Isn't there supposed to be a "no personal abuse" rule?

Think before you post

 

[Darthblade]

I'm not sure you've read Jim's statement. Money already spent, size of squad, injuries i.e. players out of the equation but still being paid. Honestly Darth, how much do you think all that would cost and all that on top of the fortune that's already been spent and the ongoing expensive wage bill. We are not out of the promotion race and if we go up we need to spend a lot more on Championship players to replace some 15 or departees next summer. The Board has to invest the right amounts at the right time rather than blow it all on this season.

Now steady on ...... you've not read the fine detail of the master plan that I've kindly supplied to MobileBlade.
I did say ....

" None of the above NEED to be bought, could be loaned ....
None of the above NEED to be premiership / Championship players which cost huge fees and demand huge wages ....
They simply NEED to be above average, CONSISTENT players ( at this level ) "

I don't think you need to worry about the consequences of us going up this season ..... that's not realistically going to happen.
UTB & FTP

 

[bricktop]

The recent message from Phipps is a remarkable communication on social media which is the most effective way to reach fans. By taking the time in his busy schedule to communicate with fans on a weekly basis the man is demonstrating his commitment to the club and is placing fans right up there in his priorities.

In this landmark communication he has spelled out the Prince's investment to date and through to the end of January ( more to come). He has advised us why Clough was sacked and it turns out our ex-manager was riding roughshod over the recruitment systems established by his employer and seemingly refused to change during the summer.

Over the years certain United fans have feasted on lack of knowledge and facts and there has been so much hot air and conjecture and in some cases deliberate nonsense spouted. I believe there are a few Wednesdayites infiltrating this and other forums just to damage morale and fulfill a role they have assumed as the best way they can serve their club and this is something that cannot be eradicated. Each poster has to be judged and treated on merit and mentally put in place by each member of the forum; some things they say are so outrageous and destructive, they cannot possibly be Unitedites.

Then there are those type of people who are genuine Unitedites but have that sort of personality which always looks for impending disaster, conspiracies, the end of the world and all that. They are sincere but they have personality disorders in everything they are involved in, be it family, work, pub, club and so on.

The many contributions from the above two groups drip, drip, drip and over time influence the opinions and morale of other types of supporters. When things are not going well they assume more credibility and other groups who take defeats and adversity not so well then join in the negativity.

What Phipps is attempting to do is to put all the facts out there to reduce the frustrations and help all fans to see exactly what the Board are doing and investing ( big money). He is even prepared to make public the reason Clough was sacked and Phipps' own opinion of why he failed to assemble a quality squad. He has gone on to applaud the efforts of Adkins to date and to explain why the squad cannot be reshaped immediately and why expected results and the pruning of the squad have been hampered by the severe injury list.

The reason he is making all this effort is in the hope that everyone will be singing from the same songsheet with knowledge of what's going on and where all the efforts are channelled to achieve success.

There is some criticism that his language is disrespectful to the league and to Clough. Isn't he simply trying to communicate in a language his audience will understand and respond to. A mistake?- probably.

Good on'yer Jim and thanks so much for treating us supporters with respect and attaching such importance to us. I have worried about your Facebook communications and disagreed with them because of those two categories of fans mentioned above and because they will give you hell. The Wednesdayites will try to discourage you and hope to drive you out of town, no question. How do you differentiate between genuine fans, those with personality disorder and Wednesdayites? I think the way genuine fans can help re-address the balance is to join Facebook and communicate their rational views to him and encourage him. I'm joining Facebbok today.

I've communicated my views on Facebook to Jim Phipps but they have been largely ignored. I've done it without being aggressive or abusive, but obviously they been deemed not worthy of a response to.

I'm sick and tired of mentioning it but we have been in this godforsaken division for 5 seasons now, and it looks odds on that we will still be here next season, and probably the season after, for a few more seasons to come.

I want a credible explanation from someone, somewhere why we are, have been so spectacularly failing for so many years. There has got to be some credible explanation and someone has got to accept some modicum of responsibility.

It is not having some sort of personality disorder, or being a Wednesdayite, but it is being a lifelong supporter , season ticket holder for more years than I care to remember, caring about the club, and not being happy about watching the club I have supported floundering aimlessly in a Division that we should not be in.

 

[William Henry Foulkes]

Surely you jest.

a) We haven't kept anyone against their will, so the argument is nonsensical. There is no evidence as to whether holding players to their contract might improve matters. There's a ton of evidence that selling your best players is counterproductive.
b) I used underselling in the sense accepted here - that anything short of promotion is to undersell.
c) Selling and underachievement are causally connected. You have fewer good players so you don't win as many games. Anything else is just being obtuse. I mean, come on.
d) I'm not saying that the Socratic method is at fault (you can add that straw man to your tally of pedantry points). I'm saying that your tedious attempts to employ it here, where you think you are asking a series of leading questions to bring people to their true enlightenment, isn't quite having the effect you believe it to be.

It certainly isn't conclusive, you are right about that.

Even going on one line which contained one ginormous error - and several minor ones - these refutations just increase the errors exponentially. A bit like Tribbles thinking about it - but not as cute.

We sell our best player and we don't get promoted does not imply we sell our player therefore we do not get promoted. Confounding variables.

I'd explain but you're clearly not listening.

A couple of people have said they are trawling through this thread as a whole with a heavy heart, so for anyone who fits that description and hasn't seen them before a couple of old classics.

Buying ice creams makes you more likely to murder someone*

Looks convincing doesn't it?

Lack of pirates causes global warming

And xkcd getting meta

GAME OVER

*Fwiw the confounding variable here is possibly hot weather which causes both.

 

[William Henry Foulkes]

The recent message from Phipps is a remarkable communication on social media which is the most effective way to reach fans. By taking the time in his busy schedule to communicate with fans on a weekly basis the man is demonstrating his commitment to the club and is placing fans right up there in his priorities.

In this landmark communication he has spelled out the Prince's investment to date and through to the end of January ( more to come). He has advised us why Clough was sacked and it turns out our ex-manager was riding roughshod over the recruitment systems established by his employer and seemingly refused to change during the summer.

Over the years certain United fans have feasted on lack of knowledge and facts and there has been so much hot air and conjecture and in some cases deliberate nonsense spouted. I believe there are a few Wednesdayites infiltrating this and other forums just to damage morale and fulfill a role they have assumed as the best way they can serve their club and this is something that cannot be eradicated. Each poster has to be judged and treated on merit and mentally put in place by each member of the forum; some things they say are so outrageous and destructive, they cannot possibly be Unitedites.

Then there are those type of people who are genuine Unitedites but have that sort of personality which always looks for impending disaster, conspiracies, the end of the world and all that. They are sincere but they have personality disorders in everything they are involved in, be it family, work, pub, club and so on.

The many contributions from the above two groups drip, drip, drip and over time influence the opinions and morale of other types of supporters. When things are not going well they assume more credibility and other groups who take defeats and adversity not so well then join in the negativity.

What Phipps is attempting to do is to put all the facts out there to reduce the frustrations and help all fans to see exactly what the Board are doing and investing ( big money). He is even prepared to make public the reason Clough was sacked and Phipps' own opinion of why he failed to assemble a quality squad. He has gone on to applaud the efforts of Adkins to date and to explain why the squad cannot be reshaped immediately and why expected results and the pruning of the squad have been hampered by the severe injury list.

The reason he is making all this effort is in the hope that everyone will be singing from the same songsheet with knowledge of what's going on and where all the efforts are channelled to achieve success.

There is some criticism that his language is disrespectful to the league and to Clough. Isn't he simply trying to communicate in a language his audience will understand and respond to. A mistake?- probably.

Good on'yer Jim and thanks so much for treating us supporters with respect and attaching such importance to us. I have worried about your Facebook communications and disagreed with them because of those two categories of fans mentioned above and because they will give you hell. The Wednesdayites will try to discourage you and hope to drive you out of town, no question. How do you differentiate between genuine fans, those with personality disorder and Wednesdayites? I think the way genuine fans can help re-address the balance is to join Facebook and communicate their rational views to him and encourage him. I'm joining Facebbok today.

Really great response

 

[Bladepicker]

Of course every supporter has every right to moan. It's the ones who go on Facebook with Jim Phipps that bother me and the general impression he and the prince gets of our supporters. That was the point of my post, not to deny anybody the right or justification to feel cheesed off.

To say there are no signs of change is simply not fair. Phipps could not have been more open with you.

This summer we sold our best player who was still under a lengthy contract and have not replaced him.

We have not pushed deals to get the centre half we needed over the line and we are currently shipping goals at home to opposition we should be beating and scratching around the edge of the play offs.

Ok we have an American lawyer who has no fucking clue about football who admittedly seems a decent enough bloke trying to be as open as possible on social media.

Forgive me for thinking though that in the bigger scheme of things fuck all has changed.

 

[Revolution]

Even going on one line which contained one ginormous error - and several minor ones - these refutations just increase the errors exponentially. A bit like Tribbles thinking about it - but not as cute.

We sell our best player and we don't get promoted does not imply we sell our player therefore we do not get promoted. Confounding variables.

I'd explain but you're clearly not listening.

A couple of people have said they are trawling through this thread as a whole with a heavy heart, so for anyone who fits that description and hasn't seen them before a couple of old classics.

Buying ice creams makes you more likely to murder someone*

Looks convincing doesn't it?

Lack of pirates causes global warming

And xkcd getting meta

GAME OVER

*Fwiw the confounding variable here is possibly hot weather which causes both.

That's nonsense.

Ice cream sold has nothing to do with number of murders.

Players sold from a team has everything to do with how well or how badly that team does - because the quality of the players in the team is the biggest factor in the way it performs.

Are you seriously suggesting that the sale of its best players won't make a team worse - and lessen its promotion chances - if they are not replaced by players who are as good? That the sale of our best centre half was not a factor in our conceding more goals?

If your answer is "yes", then I would love to hear why you hold that view.

 

[PeteBlade]

Even going on one line which contained one ginormous error - and several minor ones - these refutations just increase the errors exponentially. A bit like Tribbles thinking about it - but not as cute.

We sell our best player and we don't get promoted does not imply we sell our player therefore we do not get promoted. Confounding variables.

I'd explain but you're clearly not listening.

A couple of people have said they are trawling through this thread as a whole with a heavy heart, so for anyone who fits that description and hasn't seen them before a couple of old classics.

Buying ice creams makes you more likely to murder someone*

Looks convincing doesn't it?

Lack of pirates causes global warming

And xkcd getting meta

GAME OVER

*Fwiw the confounding variable here is possibly hot weather which causes both.

Never known someone go to more ridiculous lengths to attempt to dismiss the fact that selling your best players and not replacing them damages your team.

It's almost like a personality disorder.

 

[Bartleby]

I don't think you need to worry about the consequences of us going up this season ..... that's not realistically going to happen.
UTB & FTP

not worth putting a bet on yet though, bookies still have us as second favourites for an automatic spot

 

[MobileBlade]

Really?

So fans of a club that has been languishing in the third tier of English football for 5 years

Congratulations. It has taken until 9.10 am today for that to be mentioned. Let the floodgates open.

 

[MobileBlade]

I'm sick and tired of mentioning it but we have been in this godforsaken division for 5 seasons now,

You mean you mentioned it before. When?

9.41 am and two mentions so far today.

 

[Rodders]

Even going on one line which contained one ginormous error - and several minor ones - these refutations just increase the errors exponentially. A bit like Tribbles thinking about it - but not as cute.

We sell our best player and we don't get promoted does not imply we sell our player therefore we do not get promoted. Confounding variables.

I'd explain but you're clearly not listening.

A couple of people have said they are trawling through this thread as a whole with a heavy heart, so for anyone who fits that description and hasn't seen them before a couple of old classics.

Buying ice creams makes you more likely to murder someone*

Looks convincing doesn't it?

Lack of pirates causes global warming

And xkcd getting meta

GAME OVER

*Fwiw the confounding variable here is possibly hot weather which causes both.

You've finally jumped the shark.

 

[Bladepicker]

You mean you mentioned it before. When?

9.41 am and two mentions so far today.

Don't see the need for the sarcastic comments but why shouldn't using the fact that we have been stuck in a lower level to where we traditionally, financially and in terms of stature should belong for 5 years be used as a performance indicator?

 

[BushBlade]

You do realise we've been in this division five years don't you? (Just for the benefit of anyone who has joined this thread and skipped maybe two or three posts)

Sorry but the correct cliche is we've been in this agricultural division for five years.

 

[secretchief]

Even going on one line which contained one ginormous error - and several minor ones - these refutations just increase the errors exponentially. A bit like Tribbles thinking about it - but not as cute.

We sell our best player and we don't get promoted does not imply we sell our player therefore we do not get promoted. Confounding variables.

I'd explain but you're clearly not listening.

A couple of people have said they are trawling through this thread as a whole with a heavy heart, so for anyone who fits that description and hasn't seen them before a couple of old classics.

Buying ice creams makes you more likely to murder someone*

Looks convincing doesn't it?

Lack of pirates causes global warming

And xkcd getting meta

GAME OVER

*Fwiw the confounding variable here is possibly hot weather which causes both.

Gold, Jerry, gold.

I knew you would come up wth the old 'correclation doesn't equal causation' as I turned off the computer last night.

And at that time, I thought to myself, 'no-one would be as stupid to as to use that in this instance. No one, in a public forum, would claim that there isn't an intrinsic relationship between the quality of a team and its results.'

I love how you would say something so laughable and then go 'game over' in capital letters.

 

[MobileBlade]

Just done a few corrections for you Bladepicker


This summer we sold, in my opinion, our best player who still had two year of his contract left but over the summer decided that League One was not the place to gain recognition to get into the Scotland team so would like a move to team that he thought would do well in the division above, and have not replaced him. because the manager thought we had a youngster on the books that would be able to step into the roles - which has been vindicated by the fact that he has scored 7 goals in 14 appearances so far this season compared with 11 goals in 41 games by the said player..

We have not pushed deals to get the centre half we needed over the line,due to the manager only wishing to recruit better quality than we already have and we are currently shipping goals at home - 11 so far this season from eight home game, compared to 7 last season after 8 games - to opposition we should be beating and scratching around the edge of the play offs. But I suppose to counteract that we have scored 17 at home this season compared with 10 last season meaning our goal difference is +8 rather than +4 and we have got 15 points from those 8 games giving us the 4th best record this season in this god forsaken league (our 5th in it for Christ sake) compared with 14 last season which was the 9th best record.

Ok we have an American lawyer who, in my opinion despite his two years at the club, has no fucking clue about football who admittedly seems a decent enough bloke trying to be as open as possible on social media.

Forgive me for thinking though that in the bigger scheme of things fuck all has changed. The team that started on Saturday had 9 players that were available for selection last season - a team that finished in the play offs and after Saturdays disappointing result is still in the same position. It means that tinkering with the odd position here will not be enough to make the push to the next level but I fully understand that financial constraints caused by FFP that would prevent this. It is very frustrating.

 

[BushBlade]

Now steady on ...... you've not read the fine detail of the master plan that I've kindly supplied to MobileBlade.
I did say ....

" None of the above NEED to be bought, could be loaned ....
None of the above NEED to be premiership / Championship players which cost huge fees and demand huge wages ....
They simply NEED to be above average, CONSISTENT players ( at this level ) "

I don't think you need to worry about the consequences of us going up this season ..... that's not realistically going to happen.
UTB & FTP

I don't think it's that's likely we can loan players unless they are from PL or championship clubs.

I agree there are players in the lower leagues who would be good enough and probably more motivated than upper league journeymen but I think we'd have to pay for them. No club in L1 would loan a player to a rival, if it's a player of the quality we need. They'd be better off selling them to a championship club.

 

[Bladepicker]

Just done a few corrections for you Bladepicker


This summer we sold, in my opinion, our best player who still had two year of his contract left but over the summer decided that League One was not the place to gain recognition to get into the Scotland team so would like a move to team that he thought would do well in the division above, and have not replaced him. because the manager thought we had a youngster on the books that would be able to step into the roles - which has been vindicated by the fact that he has scored 7 goals in 14 appearances so far this season compared with 11 goals in 41 games by the said player..

We have not pushed deals to get the centre half we needed over the line,due to the manager only wishing to recruit better quality than we already have and we are currently shipping goals at home - 11 so far this season from eight home game, compared to 7 last season after 8 games - to opposition we should be beating and scratching around the edge of the play offs. But I suppose to counteract that we have scored 17 at home this season compared with 10 last season meaning our goal difference is +8 rather than +4 and we have got 15 points from those 8 games giving us the 4th best record this season in this god forsaken league (our 5th in it for Christ sake) compared with 14 last season which was the 9th best record.

Ok we have an American lawyer who, in my opinion despite his two years at the club, has no fucking clue about football who admittedly seems a decent enough bloke trying to be as open as possible on social media.

Forgive me for thinking though that in the bigger scheme of things fuck all has changed. The team that started on Saturday had 9 players that were available for selection last season - a team that finished in the play offs and after Saturdays disappointing result is still in the same position. It means that tinkering with the odd position here will not be enough to make the push to the next level but I fully understand that financial constraints caused by FFP that would prevent this. It is very frustrating.

I'm glad you appear happy with our current situation.

But yeah, as your last part attests, fuck all has changed. Roll on the play offs. Cannot fucking wait.

 

[Tezza1889]

Can somebody cleverer than me explain this, all I hear from this board at present is the 13.5million they've invested since they came in, jams shield quotes this in a piece about Phipps Facebook address, so..

6.75 mill each since the prince came in, take away macdonald and maguire, and now Murphy transfer fees, although undisclosed we could think about 6million, meaning that they've both spent around three million each over two and a half seasons, 500.000 on managers possibly..

1 mill a season, and we wonder why we still have Collins in the back four..

I'm not big on the money side, but we haven't thrown the sink at it like the pigs have, pigs have paid high wages to get the best frees and loans with a marquee signing as well, we'll be spouting the same excuses in January when Adams gets sold, the most predictable transfer for years, and will this be where the next significant investment comes from, makes me wonder... Has anything really changed except we have a manager we like...?

Ps please correct me on the numbers if I am wide of the mark, just, it's not a lot of money for somebody who said they were serious about getting to the premier league is it...

 

[William Henry Foulkes]

Don't see the need for the sarcastic comments but why shouldn't using the fact that we have been stuck in a lower level to where we traditionally, financially and in terms of stature should belong for 5 years be used as a performance indicator?

It is a valid performance indicator - but that's not how it's used.

It's much more often used as a stick to beat the club with, or to beat out an agenda, or to bash people over the head with.

It's usually followed by stop selling our best players, sign a centre half (or two)/centre midfield/goalkeeper with little or no acknowledgement of the practicalities and realities.

Like none of this had occurred to Adkins.

The club have paid off Clough and team, recruited and paid for Adkins and team. If nothing else that shows the level of ambition. To me it couldn't be clearer. There might be details worth disputing, but the principle is firmly established.

 

[MobileBlade]

I'm glad you appear happy with our current situation.

But yeah, as your last part attests, fuck all has changed. Roll on the play offs. Cannot fucking wait.

I have never, ever said anything different. The current team - which as I said started with 9 players from the end of last season - is in the play offs. Last season we finished in the play-offs. It shows that this team is not good enough to make the push to the next level. Sadly, at the end of October, we cannot change that overnight. As Darthblade blade mentions, we need at least 6 players but the fact of life is that is not going to happen without moving people out. These players are not going to be moved on to other teams in our division without us supporting some of their wages which in turns gives us less to play with when purchasing. As Jim alluded to in his message, correcting the errors of last season will be timely but one which they are up for. Unfortunately, the FIFA16 brigade don't necessarily understand the realities.

 

[William Henry Foulkes]

I'm glad you appear happy with our current situation.

Because you don't view it in simplistic terms you're happy with it. Doesn't follow.

It's a complicated real world issue. No amount of oversimplification will change that.

 

[Blade56]

OK ..... I will comply with your request ....

We need, at least:
1 x GK 2 x CH 1 x CM 1 RW 1 x CF
None of the above NEED to be bought, could be loaned ....

Slight problem with this strategy, we already have 2 loaners (Hammond and Edgar) plus your 6 makes it a total of 8 on loan and you can only field 5.

 

[BushBlade]

Can somebody cleverer than me explain this, all I hear from this board at present is the 13.5million they've invested since they came in, jams shield quotes this in a piece about Phipps Facebook address, so..

6.75 mill each since the prince came in, take away macdonald and maguire, and now Murphy transfer fees, although undisclosed we could think about 6million, meaning that they've both spent around three million each over two and a half seasons, 500.000 on managers possibly..

1 mill a season, and we wonder why we still have Collins in the back four..

I'm not big on the money side, but we haven't thrown the sink at it like the pigs have, pigs have paid high wages to get the best frees and loans with a marquee signing as well, we'll be spouting the same excuses in January when Adams gets sold, the most predictable transfer for years, and will this be where the next significant investment comes from, makes me wonder... Has anything really changed except we have a manager we like...?

Ps please correct me on the numbers if I am wide of the mark, just, it's not a lot of money for somebody who said they were serious about getting to the premier league is it...

I'm not with you mate. Surely Jim is saying we've spent the Maguire money, the cup money and the £13m the Prince has invested?

 

[MobileBlade]

Can somebody cleverer than me explain this, all I hear from this board at present is the 13.5million they've invested since they came in, jams shield quotes this in a piece about Phipps Facebook address, so..

6.75 mill each since the prince came in, take away macdonald and maguire, and now Murphy transfer fees, although undisclosed we could think about 6million, meaning that they've both spent around three million each over two and a half seasons, 500.000 on managers possibly..

1 mill a season, and we wonder why we still have Collins in the back four..

I'm not big on the money side, but we haven't thrown the sink at it like the pigs have, pigs have paid high wages to get the best frees and loans with a marquee signing as well, we'll be spouting the same excuses in January when Adams gets sold, the most predictable transfer for years, and will this be where the next significant investment comes from, makes me wonder... Has anything really changed except we have a manager we like...?

Ps please correct me on the numbers if I am wide of the mark, just, it's not a lot of money for somebody who said they were serious about getting to the premier league is it...

As I mentioned elsewhere, FFP rules in the Championship are different from our agricultural division that we have been in for 5 years. They are ok to throw money at the club so long as they do not lose more than £13 million. So they have shoved their ticket prices up (you say you are not good with the maths but bring in an extra £3 per head and thus increase your revenue by 25% even at the expense of losing 10% of your support will still net you more money - at the moment they are trying to find out where the balance on that line is), put in some loans to the club (nobody has yet convinced me it is a donation) and eh presto, lets live for today. The problems occur if they don't go up and it then goes tits up.

We cannot do that. We can only spend 60% of our income on wages - so for every 1,000 we add to the attendance (and, which will bring in around £12,000 per game) we can only spend 60% of that - so each 1,000 on the attendance equates to around £3000 per week for a player. When we have a squad of circa 26 players who would come under FFP, it soon adds up. So for that £13 million, we can only spend around £7 million on wages not the full £13 million like they could across the other dark side.

 

[bladesmanluke]

Can somebody cleverer than me explain this, all I hear from this board at present is the 13.5million they've invested since they came in, jams shield quotes this in a piece about Phipps Facebook address, so..

6.75 mill each since the prince came in, take away macdonald and maguire, and now Murphy transfer fees, although undisclosed we could think about 6million, meaning that they've both spent around three million each over two and a half seasons, 500.000 on managers possibly..

1 mill a season, and we wonder why we still have Collins in the back four..

I'm not big on the money side, but we haven't thrown the sink at it like the pigs have, pigs have paid high wages to get the best frees and loans with a marquee signing as well, we'll be spouting the same excuses in January when Adams gets sold, the most predictable transfer for years, and will this be where the next significant investment comes from, makes me wonder... Has anything really changed except we have a manager we like...?

Ps please correct me on the numbers if I am wide of the mark, just, it's not a lot of money for somebody who said they were serious about getting to the premier league is it...

Transfer fees received and cup run money are not included in the 13.5 figure. It takes it to £21m if you include those