Jesus Christ - Kop trouble
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stinkyblade
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I wondered what was happening, but to be fair if Wednesday fans are willing to come onto your fierce rivals Kop and provoke our fans it is just asking for trouble in all fairness, regardless of ticket allocations.
However when they got the second our fans on the top tier were launching missiles into their fans, just heard a lad say he got hit by a glass bottle.
However when they got the second our fans on the top tier were launching missiles into their fans, just heard a lad say he got hit by a glass bottle.
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From tonight's Star - Link with pictures
Which part-timer numpty have they interviewed here then?
Who in their right mind calls any stand by its sponsorship name... and who doesn't know the difference between the South Stand and the Kop?
Which part-timer numpty have they interviewed here then?
Who in their right mind calls any stand by its sponsorship name... and who doesn't know the difference between the South Stand and the Kop?
happyhippy
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United fans in the lower tier???????
Our kid said this was totally rubbish as the police only turned up after 10 mins of rioting not straight away as the story wants to to believe
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Watching Sky Sports News earlier and it aparentely happend in the Global Windows Stand
There was trouble on the South Stand... but the mass riot happened on Gangway C of the Kop.
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By the way late 60's early 70's i've seen bigger fights to get a piss at BDTBL...
I was replying in reference to the fact they called it the "Global Windows Stand" after you said "Who in their right mind calls any stand by its sponsorship name?"
I know there was trouble on both South Stand and Kop last night. Little bit of aggro on John Street (Where I sit) Sposbly a Wednesday fan was in one the Box's I couldnt see much (Being small does have its disadvantages! ) So I cant really comment on that tbh.I was replying in reference to the fact they called it the "Global Windows Stand" after you said "Who in their right mind calls any stand by its sponsorship name?"
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silverfox
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So did I but it's much better without the fighting.
Although the atmosphere was much better then.
It appears my OH's reply (along with the thread) to a post on BU about the trouble has been deleted so I can't quote him word for word but I'll try...
He was sat on gangway G of the South Stand - about 3/4 of way back-ish. He had two pigs in front of him (blokes), and about three behind him just to the left (two blokes and a lass). When their first goal went in everyone heard them say "yesssss" - so they got a bit of verbal abuse from some. At half time my OH approached a steward (who he calls the floppy haired one) and told them what these three pigs were wearing, where they were sat, what they'd been saying, where he was sat etc - steward did nothing about it. When their second goal went in, these stupid pigs jumped up and celebrated the goal - that's when all hell broke lose. All three of them (including the lass) were just attacked from all angles. At first a few stewards tried to break it up, it took forever for police to appear.
When it did eventually calm down my OH approached another steward and told him he'd warned the floppy-haired one about them and why didn't he do nothing about it etc - the other steward just said "I would have sorted it out" - some good that is.
My OH was laid in bed last night and just kept saying "I can't believe what I've just seen, they took such a shoeing, even that lass took a shoeing". He's been texting me today saying the same thing - he was just so shocked by what he saw.
Thankfully I didn't see anything - the closest I came to it was a rather hostile environment outside the Sportsman as I tried to walk towards the ground. Police had been watching it all evening (they watch it more now Cricketers has closed down and since the trouble other year), and so many "people" were stood outside the front door it was unreal - police moved much further forward so you could hardly get out the door for police and others. There was a lot of chanting and verbal abuse at pigs walking by - it was one of those atmospheres that you feel on Hillsborough Corner on derby day - as if it's going to kick off any minute - not nice.
Just shit that it has to happen - of course there's rivalry, you have rivalry everywhere you go in life - but violent rivalry shouldn't happen - never mind a ban from football - lock 'em up.
He was sat on gangway G of the South Stand - about 3/4 of way back-ish. He had two pigs in front of him (blokes), and about three behind him just to the left (two blokes and a lass). When their first goal went in everyone heard them say "yesssss" - so they got a bit of verbal abuse from some. At half time my OH approached a steward (who he calls the floppy haired one) and told them what these three pigs were wearing, where they were sat, what they'd been saying, where he was sat etc - steward did nothing about it. When their second goal went in, these stupid pigs jumped up and celebrated the goal - that's when all hell broke lose. All three of them (including the lass) were just attacked from all angles. At first a few stewards tried to break it up, it took forever for police to appear.
When it did eventually calm down my OH approached another steward and told him he'd warned the floppy-haired one about them and why didn't he do nothing about it etc - the other steward just said "I would have sorted it out" - some good that is.
My OH was laid in bed last night and just kept saying "I can't believe what I've just seen, they took such a shoeing, even that lass took a shoeing". He's been texting me today saying the same thing - he was just so shocked by what he saw.
Thankfully I didn't see anything - the closest I came to it was a rather hostile environment outside the Sportsman as I tried to walk towards the ground. Police had been watching it all evening (they watch it more now Cricketers has closed down and since the trouble other year), and so many "people" were stood outside the front door it was unreal - police moved much further forward so you could hardly get out the door for police and others. There was a lot of chanting and verbal abuse at pigs walking by - it was one of those atmospheres that you feel on Hillsborough Corner on derby day - as if it's going to kick off any minute - not nice.
Just shit that it has to happen - of course there's rivalry, you have rivalry everywhere you go in life - but violent rivalry shouldn't happen - never mind a ban from football - lock 'em up.
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I was sat near the back of gangway F of the South Stand and there was a bit of trouble when we scored our first goal. Some bloke (I assume a Wednesday fan) started kicking off at everyone around him. He hit someone who was sat on the back row and then started walking off down the stand. It was lucky that the people sat around were sensible and didn't go after him otherwise there could have been another situation for the police to deal with. During this time the stewards appeared too busy watching the game or what was happening in G/H block and never noticed anything.
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My mate who is a Wednesday fan said some of their own were fighting each other at back of their end
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The thing that pissed me off was the walk away from the ground, a small scuffle broke out between a couple of dick heads outside the BP garage on Bramall Lane. The police, armed with batons, come charging through the crowd knocking 3 or 4 innocent people to the floor, including a disabled guy on crutches, to break it up.
Without a doubt. No matter how much they get paid, they are employed to ensure that the ground regulations are upheld and that supporter safety ensues. I know exactly what you are getting at, and I do sympathise with them, but no way should they have stood around watching as I observed.
Got a Barnsley steward in the office and whilst its easy to say so when not involved, he'd have been acting upon the first sniff of it all kicking off, eh Duke?
Without a doubt.
Afternoon all,
Just going to put my point of view into this debate. I work as a Deputy Supervisor in a section of Oakwell Stadium for six years including football events and other events throughout the country.
Stewarding is a thankless job you will never get any praised for doing things right but will always get criticised for doing things wrong even if they were the best option or the only option available at the time. The job itself is not well paid considering the hassle/abuse that comes with it.
Stewards do not have any powers of arrest but their can eject supporters for breaking rules and policies etc. I instruct my team of the following, I do not expect any members of my team to get involved in incidents on their own I advised the individual stewards in their own judgement if they think it safe to go in them fine but if under any doubts they contact me or other supervisors. If it’s an emergency I also advise them that they can also contact stadium control, get other stewards/quick response team/police to assist them.
The job of enforcing grounds regulations ejections etc is down to stewards, the police can only step in if it turn into a “Public Order” incident which from the reports I seen it certainly was and the police should immediately assist the stewards.
There has been comments referring to stewards not doing anything about it and watching the match, this was an incident of violent disorder I would not expect any members of my team to go in alone, however they should attempt to get other stewards involved and get the police, if they did not do this and made no attempt to do anything they should not work in stewarding, their certainly wouldn’t be working within our team again.
With allocating small number of tickets you will get opposition supporters trying to buy tickets, if they do get in they really should fit in with the crowd they should not start abusing home fans, Our team deals with this quickly and firmly. If a steward has been notified that they may be away supporters in home areas the steward should report it immediately to their section supervisor so that they can take action before it turns in to public order.
I can only comment on how we do things at Barnsley and the other events that I have worked, I don’t know the setup at United feel free to discuss and I will try to respond to your questions where possible.
Sensiblade
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A rarely seen point of view from Duke, cheers for that.
You get good and bad stewards at all grounds.
Some take things too far or ignore too much, most are friendly and earn respect so don't get abuse or agrivation.
Worst i've known are Forest stewards (and poilce), we were being showered with coins and all they cared about was making us stay in our designated seating positions no matter how many times we got hit on the head. One even said 'what coins' and laughed!
I've never really seen the bad side of stewards at local grounds, I wasn't close enough to see properly what happened on Tuesday.
The only thing at Barnsley I saw that i thoight was 'over the top' but not major, was a female steward taking a can of vimto off someone in the crowd. As my friend sang at the steward 'it's just a can full of vimto, can full of vimto...........etc.'
You get good and bad stewards at all grounds.
Some take things too far or ignore too much, most are friendly and earn respect so don't get abuse or agrivation.
Worst i've known are Forest stewards (and poilce), we were being showered with coins and all they cared about was making us stay in our designated seating positions no matter how many times we got hit on the head. One even said 'what coins' and laughed!
I've never really seen the bad side of stewards at local grounds, I wasn't close enough to see properly what happened on Tuesday.
The only thing at Barnsley I saw that i thoight was 'over the top' but not major, was a female steward taking a can of vimto off someone in the crowd. As my friend sang at the steward 'it's just a can full of vimto, can full of vimto...........etc.'
The only thing at Barnsley I saw that i thoight was 'over the top' but not major, was a female steward taking a can of vimto off someone in the crowd. As my friend sang at the steward 'it's just a can full of vimto, can full of vimto...........etc.'
Imagine the can being used as a missile at the players though, the steward would then be accused of not doing her job.
Sensiblade
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I understand that, but she wouldn't even let the person finish it. Would have been less of a threat empty.
An empty can, can be a more serious threat. Ie split can open and a nice sharp metal object.
I'm not saying your friend would do this, or the majority of people would. But because of a small minority that do idiotic things like that, then they have to do these things.
Sensiblade
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The peron with the can asked to finish it, and then give it to the steward and she was having none of it.
Meh, only a can of pop though, not as if it was a hip flask or something.
This is what someone wrote on The Star Website
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Someone may correct me here, but I am sure I read in a United programme before the original fixture date, that any corporate tickets would be in the HOME END of the ground and any Wednesday fan making themselves known would be immediately ejected from the ground.
Even if this person thought they were sat with the other corporate bods - were they stupid enough to think that the whole South Stand was full of corporate bods? If I was at Old Trafford and sat in corporate part of a stand as an opposition fan I wouldn't stand up to cheer my own goal.
My question is this - why only jump up to celebrate the second goal (as witnessed by my OH) and not the first, if you thought it was ok because you were sat in a corporate area?
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Someone may correct me here, but I am sure I read in a United programme before the original fixture date, that any corporate tickets would be in the HOME END of the ground and any Wednesday fan making themselves known would be immediately ejected from the ground.
Even if this person thought they were sat with the other corporate bods - were they stupid enough to think that the whole South Stand was full of corporate bods? If I was at Old Trafford and sat in corporate part of a stand as an opposition fan I wouldn't stand up to cheer my own goal.
My question is this - why only jump up to celebrate the second goal (as witnessed by my OH) and not the first, if you thought it was ok because you were sat in a corporate area?
happyhippy
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Wouldn't 'corporate areas' actually mean 'boxes'?
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This is true, but considering the kid was pretty young and in the company of whom seemed a a responsible female adult (possibly parent or guardian) I think there's always an element of allowance, I was sat nearby and saw this. If someone were to try and take the can to use as a missile then they just don't belong at a football ground.
Zero tolerance is normally the best policy as you don't get the arguments about 'he/she/they're doing it, why can't I?' But then this is where you get your stories that manage to reach some form of publication about 'My day was spoiled by....'. There's a fine balance and in general Stewards do a good job maintaining it, but come on.....Can full of vimto, it's just a can full of vimto!!
The others around the said Seward were not interested in the cans that people had in the seats behind me (about 5 of them). we were in a better position to cause damage for any player who came near the corner flag and we were stood all game and it was clear to see.
It was United fans fighting with each other in the Kop, it was United fans throwing bottles and spitting on Wednesday fans in the away end, it was united fans causing the trouble in the south stand.
Our fans are to blame, I think we should own up really.
Our fans are to blame, I think we should own up really.
Nice to see you back in these parts mate.
However, I'm sure nobody is saying we aren't to blame as a collective whole, but the Owls are far from innocent in all this too.,
stinkyblade
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takes two to tango.
Cant blame it all on the blades fans, if the pigs kept there mouth shut then none would have happened in the SS.
was a tosser sat behind us in restaurant going off when there scored twice, should have seen his face when all the blades were banging on the glass at him telling him to come out and celebrate our 2nd. he looked pig sick
Cant blame it all on the blades fans, if the pigs kept there mouth shut then none would have happened in the SS.
was a tosser sat behind us in restaurant going off when there scored twice, should have seen his face when all the blades were banging on the glass at him telling him to come out and celebrate our 2nd. he looked pig sick
Because of the demand for tickets, they extended the corporate tickets. I believe (not 100% positive) that these "fans" were taken for a meal beforehand and had drinks before etc - once they entered the match they looked after themselves.
A couple of years back United fans could have a corporate package for Hboro - they were invited into Platinum Suite before the game, meal and drinks, transported by coach to the game, sat with United fans in away end, then coach back to Platinum Suite for more drinks.
Boxes are generally "Executive Boxes".
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