CONFIRMED Jefferson Cáceres and Christian Nwachukwu

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We just need to be very particular about who we're signing and not spaff money on players who we become obsessed with for some reason. If everyone in the midfield is fit then we should have plenty of decent options alongside maybe bringing some more attacking options in because Gus can't do it on his own and nobody else has done a lot when it comes to goalscoring from that area.

Its at the back where Robinson and Anel together have proved not to be up to it as a parntership and having some quality, credible goalscoring threat alongside Campbell is where we need to spend some money. Another player in the same mould as him but can last the 90 is what we need - all rounder who can do the physical stuff but also has the ability to run in behind.
 

Should have had a penalty, shame ref and lino were blind
I know the officials are also learning at that level, but you couldn’t get more blatant a penalty.

Running through then suddenly on his back.

It was such an obvious tug of his shirt.

If they can’t pick up such basic fouls they will struggle to get above that level.

It was so obvious.

Fortunately the u21s are pissing that league when you consider the next team is Hull City, who had played 5 games more.
 
We just need to be very particular about who we're signing and not spaff money on players who we become obsessed with for some reason. If everyone in the midfield is fit then we should have plenty of decent options alongside maybe bringing some more attacking options in because Gus can't do it on his own and nobody else has done a lot when it comes to goalscoring from that area.

Its at the back where Robinson and Anel together have proved not to be up to it as a parntership and having some quality, credible goalscoring threat alongside Campbell is where we need to spend some money. Another player in the same mould as him but can last the 90 is what we need - all rounder who can do the physical stuff but also has the ability to run in behind.
I think we will be signing 3 defenders in either division next season.

We need a right back with Femi

Anel coming into last year needs to sign or be sold. Then need a replacement for Robbo too.

In the premier league be more money for players but we need them regardless of Division.
 
I know the officials are also learning at that level, but you couldn’t get more blatant a penalty.

Running through then suddenly on his back.

It was such an obvious tug of his shirt.

If they can’t pick up such basic fouls they will struggle to get above that level.

It was so obvious.

Fortunately the u21s are pissing that league when you consider the next team is Hull City, who had played 5 games more.
Nothing to see here. The Barnsley player's reaction should have been enough on its own to show how blatant a pull back it was.

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What's the situation with these young lads when they come into the UK, generally without a family support network?

Do they just stay in the hotel? Or are they then moved into a club owned house?

Aside from the playing/training/coaching time I would assume significant thought is given to help players settle into what could be a pretty alien environment outside the club bubble.
 
Forgive my "Double Post". But I've tried to describe it as I see it viz Jefferson Cáceres on a recent Blog.


Interesting. I know exactly what you are describing. Reminds me of Brewster in the early days. Always in the wrong place because he wasn’t moving or anticipating. Run into space and stop and sometimes not even that. A vague wander somewhere out of the way not providing an angle. Thankfully Brewster has started to show something worthwhile in a position where he has to move. I really hope we can drill that sort of mentality into what is clearly a skilful footballer.
 
Interesting. I know exactly what you are describing. Reminds me of Brewster in the early days. Always in the wrong place because he wasn’t moving or anticipating. Run into space and stop and sometimes not even that. A vague wander somewhere out of the way not providing an angle. Thankfully Brewster has started to show something worthwhile in a position where he has to move. I really hope we can drill that sort of mentality into what is clearly a skilful footballer.
I'm not sure. I'm a huge fan of Brewster. He's always struck me as an "in motion" player to me. Indeed, too much fucking motion at times, his teammates not knowing what he's up to.

Same outcome as Jefferson, as you describe, but for different reasons I feel.

I've asked "naive" questions about this data driven recruitment model before.

Here's naive - surely we recruit someone who can fit our style of play, surely. Surely the model is tweaked for that. My naive self is worried we recruit "because he's good in Peru", with little insight or oversight as to how much of a fit his basic style is.

When I've broached that observation in real time at games, my colleagues just fall back on....

"They'll have watched videos..."

I've seen a load of Academy games over the years. I saw Iliman before he was called Iliman. And he looked way off it. But, he was definitely an in motion player, and he picked it all up, quickly. I saw David Brooks when they couldn't get a shirt small enough to fit him. But he was definitely an in motion player. Involved constantly.

I've never seen an Academy player with such a find space, but be static style as Jefferson. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure there are sides, and systems, and tactics that suit that style. But it just looks stark watching him in a United DNA team.
 
I'm not sure. I'm a huge fan of Brewster. He's always struck me as an "in motion" player to me. Indeed, too much fucking motion at times, his teammates not knowing what he's up to.

Same outcome as Jefferson, as you describe, but for different reasons I feel.

I've asked "naive" questions about this data driven recruitment model before.

Here's naive - surely we recruit someone who can fit our style of play, surely. Surely the model is tweaked for that. My naive self is worried we recruit "because he's good in Peru", with little insight or oversight as to how much of a fit his basic style is.

When I've broached that observation in real time at games, my colleagues just fall back on....

"They'll have watched videos..."

I've seen a load of Academy games over the years. I saw Iliman before he was called Iliman. And he looked way off it. But, he was definitely an in motion player, and he picked it all up, quickly. I saw David Brooks when they couldn't get a shirt small enough to fit him. But he was definitely an in motion player. Involved constantly.

I've never seen an Academy player with such a find space, but be static style as Jefferson. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure there are sides, and systems, and tactics that suit that style. But it just looks stark watching him in a United DNA team.
In fairness to the recruitment we weren't wrong about Beni Traore, who we recruited in a not too dissimilar fashion, plucking him from an obscure league. He just wasn't ready for the Premier League (not that many of our team was). Now he's proving his worth at Basel and showing that arguably we were wrong to get rid of him, particularly since we play a system that favours wingers, with only one winger on the books.
 
In fairness to the recruitment we weren't wrong about Beni Traore, who we recruited in a not too dissimilar fashion, plucking him from an obscure league. He just wasn't ready for the Premier League (not that many of our team was). Now he's proving his worth at Basel and showing that arguably we were wrong to get rid of him, particularly since we play a system that favours wingers, with only one winger on the books.
The swiss league is hardly the highest level of football yet Traore Truthers don't seem to acknowledge that. He's 3rd top goalscorer in his own side...with top being 33 year old post 3 years in America Xherdan Shaqiri
 
The swiss league is hardly the highest level of football yet Traore Truthers don't seem to acknowledge that. He's 3rd top goalscorer in his own side...with top being 33 year old post 3 years in America Xherdan Shaqiri
Fair points, but he's their 3rd top scorer playing on the wing, not up top as a striker.

27 games, 8 goals, 5 assists. That's a goal or assist every other game. That's a great return on what they paid.

I hoped we would keep him in the summer but there we go.
 
At least he's made it into the country. Unlike the other lad.

I saw this from earlier in the month

"DH - It is correct that the signings of Jefferson Cáceres and Christian Nwachukwu were driven by new director Joe Russo, who joined the COH set-up earlier this year."

Why is the guy who made Avengers films signing players?!
 
Maybe I'm being naive, but l just think of these as a punt. Cheap enough to give a go to, stick them in with some proper academy lads and see what they've got. If they rise, great, if they struggle, move them on. I don't really see an issue, as long as their progression, or lack there of, with us is purely based on merit - l can't see CWAK accepting anything else.

OTOH, I will be concerned if a board members tinkering and influence results in players that aren't ready, blocking a route for a genuine academy product.
 

At least he's made it into the country. Unlike the other lad.

I saw this from earlier in the month

"DH - It is correct that the signings of Jefferson Cáceres and Christian Nwachukwu were driven by new director Joe Russo, who joined the COH set-up earlier this year."

Why is the guy who made Avengers films signing players?!
He's a director and investor in the club
 
Slightly concerning that the other lad hasn't been seen on the pitch yet. Is he injured? Still doesn't have the necessary clearance?
 
Maybe I'm being naive, but l just think of these as a punt. Cheap enough to give a go to, stick them in with some proper academy lads and see what they've got. If they rise, great, if they struggle, move them on. I don't really see an issue, as long as their progression, or lack there of, with us is purely based on merit - l can't see CWAK accepting anything else.

OTOH, I will be concerned if a board members tinkering and influence results in players that aren't ready, blocking a route for a genuine academy product.
This.

As long as we aren't splurging huge signing fees on these players, its a bit of a spread your bets on one of them to come good.

Look at Peck, sign him as a 16 year old out of Arsenal. Could have gone either way. Now we are saying it was easily the right decision to take him on.

You could also argue that even if they aren't good enough for the first team, having "better" players in the academy squad helps to improve our academy players.
 
This.

As long as we aren't splurging huge signing fees on these players, its a bit of a spread your bets on one of them to come good.

Look at Peck, sign him as a 16 year old out of Arsenal. Could have gone either way. Now we are saying it was easily the right decision to take him on.

You could also argue that even if they aren't good enough for the first team, having "better" players in the academy squad helps to improve our academy players.
Firm disagree. Run it up the flagpole, see if anyone salutes it. Put some milk out, see if the cat licks it up. That is no way to run Elite Academy Recruitment. Particularly not Data Driven Recruitment.

We should categorise requirements, skills, attitude, physicals, medicals, mentals. And we should only recruit players who go a long way to meet those requirements.

And those players should have an immediate development plan to improve them.

Agree, it can go either way once players are recruited. But we have to give us and them the very best chance.

The elephant in the room is - these players were NOT recruited ala Peck. They had NOT been watched, live and by eye, by our tried and successful scouting network. The network that brought us Iliman, the network that brought us Peck. I feel there is more of an expectation that these two signings, uprooted and blocking a Work Permit spot, should be able to hit the ground running, and not be fingers crossed hopefuls.
 
I get the feeling " if" We get the green "P" at the side of our league position jeff might get a couple of run outs u21,s isn't really the place to get a idea of English football .
 
Fair points, but he's their 3rd top scorer playing on the wing, not up top as a striker.

27 games, 8 goals, 5 assists. That's a goal or assist every other game. That's a great return on what they paid.

I hoped we would keep him in the summer but there we go.

Talent is there for sure. But coming directly from the Swedish league with the expectations (due to transfer sum paid etc.) was always going to be difficult.
It's was a "paying good money for potential"-investment a lot of clubs do and have a 3-5 year plan for the player. I think we thought he would be good enough to start every weekend in the PL...

I do not agree with selling him as I think we could have loaned him out and monitored him as we had another two years to go on his contract. Now, we have sold him on for less than we paid and Basel will surely be able to get good offers if he goes on like this. Anyone knows who is responsible for this transfer and what the plan was, if there was any? Could the club comment on it, transparency towards the supporters etc.? Would be interesting to hear.

As reports came on Benie I was very sceptical - just browse back and read my evaluation, its there. I seem to be right, even after giving him time as he is not great for Nantes either. Still young, but at the moment not there. Very strange why we would spend so much on such an unproven player that only had a few months of success in Sweden. As a club being promoted and playing in a way we do - both with Hecky and Wilder - its unbelievable. Even in the Swedish league you could see he had a lot of things to improve
Someone for the future, definitely, but we need to get a few lads in who will make us better right now, not towards the end of the season or next year. I'd be stunned if he would go in and deliver straight from the start. I sort of like the signing, but only if we sign more qualified and experienced players who we come in and deliver straight from the start of the season. He is one for the future - not even clocked up 40 senior games in the Swedish league (the 23rd in Europe, behind leagues from Cyprus, Czech Republic, Israel and Serbia). Very good and promising, but just want to put it into perspective in terms what to expect from him.
No, I think he will need some time to adjust. This is one for the future, but of course I hope I will be proven wrong and that he can go in and deliver from the get go.


With the above being said, from my perspective, I don't like to use the standard or ranking of a league to judge a player's quality or potential. Yes, it should be factored in, but there are so many more parameters to take into consideration.

In this particular case, many of you here have criticized the Swedish league (and now the Swiss) - Traoré's performances there were impressive in that context - yes. But at our level, he struggled. The reasoning that the quality/ranking of the league is what makes him look good and subsequently signed by us. I can see why some people would argue for this, but it's a lot more complex than that - and the main task of the scouting and recruitment team at Sheffield United is to look at the full picture, factor everything in and then make a decision based on all of this.

The interesting thing and probably the biggest challenge in scouting players is to evaluate how the player would fit into a new context and have the ability to adjust. A highly performing player in a weak league could adjust very quickly to a top European league - exactly the same way as a squad or fringe player from a poor league, who might be used in the wrong way, could do the same thing if utilized properly. The opposite could also be true - a dominating player in an equivalent league in terms of quality (or even higher ranked) will fail if used in the wrong way, played in the wrong system or just failing to adjust for other "soft" reasons.

I want to mentioned Yasin Ayari - not even a regular for AIK in the Swedish league, but signed by Brighton in 2023. They had done proper background checks and scouted him for a long time and therefore saw what he could add to their team and how he should be used. They attributes in him which they thought were interesting and could fit into their plan and strategy - obviously this paid off, not only with him, but the overall recruitment policy and program are well established in a top down approach. Ayari and Benie are basically the same age (02/03) - whilst Traoré was killing the Swedish league when Ayari was not considered a starter, Yasin is at a much better place now due to the proper red thread implemented at Brighton (a plan), allowing him to develop into a top player for them.
They had done their due diligence and knew exactly what they were doing and what type of player they signed and how they would use him in their system.

Another case would be Lucas Bergvall - doing well for Tottenham but the season before he was signed by them he only started 11 games at Djurgården. But if we are arguing that the Swedish league is weak and therefore players signed from there are shit, we need to rethink. Instead, have faith in our recruitment strategy, have a plan for any player signed and be patient. Also, be sure what type of player we are signing, why, and how we aim to use the player. This should obviously correlate with the club strategy and policy in terms of player recruitment which the manager is onboard with.

So - when we signed Traoré I commented on it and in hindsight, Im not surprised that he struggled. It was a big gamble and I felt that particular signing was not well scouted for US. A lot of other teams in other leagues would probably had a lot of use for him pretty much straight away but not us, at the time. A huge gamble and waste of money - but letting him go to Basel was probably even worse. Clearly a lack of plan which frustrates me. Buy a player that does not not really fit into the way we play, then sell him. Seem clueless to me. Once again, the scouting and due diligence must be done on each and every player and also has to follow the club's transfer and recruitment strategy in addition.
 
Understood. But Cáceres is too old for the U21s. He'll have to play as an overage player.
So is Cannon! The likes of Peck,Seriki, Brooks and One would probably not have been given 1st team chances if the rebuild last summer was completed earlier. There were gaps to fill and they got chances by default.
That is another way of blooding youth from the academy.
 
So is Cannon! The likes of Peck,Seriki, Brooks and One would probably not have been given 1st team chances if the rebuild last summer was completed earlier. There were gaps to fill and they got chances by default.
That is another way of blooding youth from the academy.
Sorry. I'm not getting your point I'm afraid.

Peck, Seriki, Brooks and Oné were all brought to the Club at an age when they had years ahead of them being eligible for Academy teams. Where they could settle in, develop, and look to push on towards the first team.

Cannon was clearly signed in the belief he is ALREADY first team ready, and with his existing EFL experience can hit the ground running in the first team squad.

Cáceres is neither of those. He's not first team oven ready, and he's not Academy age.
 
Sorry. I'm not getting your point I'm afraid.

Peck, Seriki, Brooks and Oné were all brought to the Club at an age when they had years ahead of them being eligible for Academy teams. Where they could settle in, develop, and look to push on towards the first team.

Cannon was clearly signed in the belief he is ALREADY first team ready, and with his existing EFL experience can hit the ground running in the first team squad.
There were gaps academy players will find it hard work going back to the academy now, unless they are all considered as academy graduates?
Cáceres is neither of those. He's not first team oven ready, and he's not Academy age.
Perhaps all these players were purchased with COH authority. Maybe someone oiks trying to make a point about, value for money?
If so, they are messing with real lives. Humans are not disposable if someone gets it badly wrong.
Cannon only really has experience at Stoke, where he was given considerable support, because he was their only finisher?
If He was bought based on Wilders request, he needs re-programming!
 
With the above being said, from my perspective, I don't like to use the standard or ranking of a league to judge a player's quality or potential. Yes, it should be factored in, but there are so many more parameters to take into consideration.

In this particular case, many of you here have criticized the Swedish league (and now the Swiss) - Traoré's performances there were impressive in that context - yes. But at our level, he struggled. The reasoning that the quality/ranking of the league is what makes him look good and subsequently signed by us. I can see why some people would argue for this, but it's a lot more complex than that - and the main task of the scouting and recruitment team at Sheffield United is to look at the full picture, factor everything in and then make a decision based on all of this.

The interesting thing and probably the biggest challenge in scouting players is to evaluate how the player would fit into a new context and have the ability to adjust. A highly performing player in a weak league could adjust very quickly to a top European league - exactly the same way as a squad or fringe player from a poor league, who might be used in the wrong way, could do the same thing if utilized properly. The opposite could also be true - a dominating player in an equivalent league in terms of quality (or even higher ranked) will fail if used in the wrong way, played in the wrong system or just failing to adjust for other "soft" reasons.

I want to mentioned Yasin Ayari - not even a regular for AIK in the Swedish league, but signed by Brighton in 2023. They had done proper background checks and scouted him for a long time and therefore saw what he could add to their team and how he should be used. They attributes in him which they thought were interesting and could fit into their plan and strategy - obviously this paid off, not only with him, but the overall recruitment policy and program are well established in a top down approach. Ayari and Benie are basically the same age (02/03) - whilst Traoré was killing the Swedish league when Ayari was not considered a starter, Yasin is at a much better place now due to the proper red thread implemented at Brighton (a plan), allowing him to develop into a top player for them.
They had done their due diligence and knew exactly what they were doing and what type of player they signed and how they would use him in their system.

Another case would be Lucas Bergvall - doing well for Tottenham but the season before he was signed by them he only started 11 games at Djurgården. But if we are arguing that the Swedish league is weak and therefore players signed from there are shit, we need to rethink. Instead, have faith in our recruitment strategy, have a plan for any player signed and be patient. Also, be sure what type of player we are signing, why, and how we aim to use the player. This should obviously correlate with the club strategy and policy in terms of player recruitment which the manager is onboard with.

So - when we signed Traoré I commented on it and in hindsight, Im not surprised that he struggled. It was a big gamble and I felt that particular signing was not well scouted for US. A lot of other teams in other leagues would probably had a lot of use for him pretty much straight away but not us, at the time. A huge gamble and waste of money - but letting him go to Basel was probably even worse. Clearly a lack of plan which frustrates me. Buy a player that does not not really fit into the way we play, then sell him. Seem clueless to me. Once again, the scouting and due diligence must be done on each and every player and also has to follow the club's transfer and recruitment strategy in addition.
Some good points.

Traore was signed for the Premier League and many playeds struggle to make that step up. We never gave him a fair chance in the Championship and this current formation would have suited him. There's the counter argument that without selling him we probably wouldn't have brought in Cooper or Burrows, so it was inevitable that we sold him.
 

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