Jasper Johns progress.

[highpeakblade]

I know the likes of Foxy, Daz etc (sorry if I have forgotten anyone) follow our Development set up and just wondered if you had seen much of Jasper Johns and if you could give us an update as to how he is coming on? I remember when he came in it was more of a "one for the future" thing and I just wondered if now he's had a few months he is any nearer to pushing for a shirt or whether he has progressed at all?

Obviously with us looking for a CB as cover one could only assume he's nowhere near making the cut yet?

 

[LoughboroBlade]

This thread is the first time I've heard his name in months. I suspect that might be an indication that his progress has been minimal.

He and McGinty were both two low-risk cheap rolls of the dice to help fill out the numbers - with a possible, albeit slim, chance of competing for a place in the first team. Both will likely disappear without a trace after this season.

 

[UnitedBlade]

I wouldn't play a left sided midfield player at centre back.

Seen him a couple of times and doesn't look first team material.

 

[JohnDenver]

I've seldom, if ever, seen a player look so raw in a first team game.

 

[Jon Bon]

Seen him a couple of times and doesn't look first team material.

There's also a few in the first team that I can say that about too...

 

[Bladesway]

I know the likes of Foxy, Daz etc (sorry if I have forgotten anyone) follow our Development set up and just wondered if you had seen much of Jasper Johns and if you could give us an update as to how he is coming on? I remember when he came in it was more of a "one for the future" thing and I just wondered if now he's had a few months he is any nearer to pushing for a shirt or whether he has progressed at all?

Obviously with us looking for a CB as cover one could only assume he's nowhere near making the cut yet?

I understand he was busy doing the Cameo Christmas tour.

W-O-R-D up.

 

[Latters]

I've seldom, if ever, seen a player look so raw in a first team game.

If by "raw" you mean "shit", then I agree with you.

I cannot recall a footballer with worse ball control than he displayed in his brief appearance. This is not being "raw". This is a player that has come from a Premier League academy and will no doubt have been trained by professional coaches since a very young age. He looked poor to me.

 

[Esablade]

He looked so typical of 'ideal English player' ( fast, fit..can't play football) that was so 'desirable' up until Barca started getting on the telly more.

Only a young lad though, so maybe they can still coach something into him and make him good enough for L1/2...( sorry)

 

[cooperblade]

If by "raw" you mean "shit", then I agree with you.

I cannot recall a footballer with worse ball control than he displayed in his brief appearance. This is not being "raw". This is a player that has come from a Premier League academy and will no doubt have been trained by professional coaches since a very young age. He looked poor to me.

I think that was largely down to nerves. At Bury in pre-season, he looked a long way from the finished article but didn't look anything like as bad as he did when he came on for the first team.

 

[broomhillblade]

If by "raw" you mean "shit", then I agree with you.

Well done, that will help his confidence no end.

 

[SandyMcBlade]

Came as a left back come midfield player from Evertons juniors ?who had played left back but preferred mid-field.
They said at the time he had speed and a sweet left foot, but his right leg was just for standing on.
Looked on paper the kind of promising young player let go by a premiership club we were after at the time and worth a gamble..
Pity if he hasn't made it.....

 

[Latters]

Well done, that will help his confidence no end.

If he can't cope with comments like that, he's in the wrong game.

 

[DazBlade88]

Sadly, I don't get to see the U21s much due to the Monday afternoon kick off times so I'm not sure how he's been getting on.

From what I saw he had some ability but definitely had alot to work on. I agree with SandyMcBlade though, players being released at 17/18 by Premiership clubs are always worth a gamble when you're at this level.

 

[Deadbat]

Seen 2 or 3 u21 games he has featured and he was awful in all of them from what I recall. Terrible ball control, headless chicken, little positional sense and no real positive features. Apart from that looked a great prospect!

Played left back, left side and central midfield throughout such games and looked dreadful in all positions.

Not sure who does our scouting but likes of Johns, McGinty are sadly miles off being good enough.

This idea that players such as this will of improve with coaching, games I can't fathom. If you cant do basics such as controlling, passing the football and having a concept of where to stand/move to; then in most cases they are not going to suddenly acquire such skills. That may sound harsh but these two are classic example of players who to me may have been playing the game for a long time and come through well thought of academy's (who must have spotted something!) but look like they have no idea how to play the game at all. So we are not only ones guilty of seeing something that is probably not there.

Expect both to leave end of the season and would be surprised to see either in league football next season.

The fact McGinty ended up at the bottom of the 2nd division and Johns cannot even get a loan says it all as there are scouts from so many clubs at such u21 games.

 

[Jehovah]

Seen 2 or 3 u21 games he has featured and he was awful in all of them from what I recall. Terrible ball control, headless chicken, little positional sense and no real positive features. Apart from that looked a great prospect!

Played left back, left side and central midfield throughout such games and looked dreadful in all positions.

Not sure who does our scouting but likes of Johns, McGinty are sadly miles off being good enough.

This idea that players such as this will of improve with coaching, games I can't fathom. If you cant do basics such as controlling, passing the football and having a concept of where to stand/move to; then in most cases they are not going to suddenly acquire such skills. That may sound harsh but these two are classic example of players who to me may have been playing the game for a long time and come through well thought of academy's (who must have spotted something!) but look like they have no idea how to play the game at all. So we are not only ones guilty of seeing something that is probably not there.

Expect both to leave end of the season and would be surprised to see either in league football next season.

The fact McGinty ended up at the bottom of the 2nd division and Johns cannot even get a loan says it all as there are scouts from so many clubs at such u21 games.

So, better than what we've got.

 

[Sirius]

Seen 2 or 3 u21 games he has featured and he was awful in all of them from what I recall. Terrible ball control, headless chicken, little positional sense and no real positive features. Apart from that looked a great prospect!

Played left back, left side and central midfield throughout such games and looked dreadful in all positions.

Not sure who does our scouting but likes of Johns, McGinty are sadly miles off being good enough.

This idea that players such as this will of improve with coaching, games I can't fathom. If you cant do basics such as controlling, passing the football and having a concept of where to stand/move to; then in most cases they are not going to suddenly acquire such skills. That may sound harsh but these two are classic example of players who to me may have been playing the game for a long time and come through well thought of academy's (who must have spotted something!) but look like they have no idea how to play the game at all. So we are not only ones guilty of seeing something that is probably not there.

Expect both to leave end of the season and would be surprised to see either in league football next season.

The fact McGinty ended up at the bottom of the 2nd division and Johns cannot even get a loan says it all as there are scouts from so many clubs at such u21 games.

I'm with you on this DB. Clubs take on youngsters at an early age. Surely it is down to basics for the kids to be able to control a football and to have some awareness of what's around them after all the years of coaching. Also they have had the best facilities for getting fit, many of the lads are plainly unfit; for which there is no excuse.

 

[Foxy]

Not sure who does our scouting but likes of Johns, McGinty are sadly miles off being good enough.

It's a little unfair to write them off at this stage, how many times have you seen them both?

Probably a little harsh on our scouting too, given that Manchester United and Everton obviously saw something in them worth spending a bit of time on.

McGinty has played for his country at U17, U18 and U21 level and was freed up mainly because of his attitude and breach of discipline.

Johns has played for England U16s and was also called up for Northern Ireland U19s. He was brought in to put into the academy, rather than challenge for a first team place immediately.

They aren't exactly lads we've picked up in Graves Park.

 

[Deadbat]

I don't think it is me that has wrote them off. Weir did not play them (other than 2 games for McGinty where he was really poor) and Johns had a comedy performance when he came on as sub. Clough has not even considered them (Johns does not even play in the u21's).

I have seen Johns 3 or 4 times / McGinty similar. Maybe not enough to judge properly but not seen one quality in either player sadly and the fact neither are even close to the bench for our awful side says it all.

Man Utd/Everton may have seen something but there are tons of players that have promise at teenage years and then just fade away. McGinty went on loan and failed to impress wherever he went. They big clubs may have seen something at early age but both realised they weren't going to make it and offloaded. No shame in that as Everton and Man Utd are giants. However not sure many clubs were falling over themselves to sign them when we did.

No issues with Utd taking a chance to a degree though. Sometimes these low risk signings can work. They have not and again the scouting/recruitment has to have questions asked that they have had 2 players on a year/ 2 year contract in McGinty's case. Basically that are nowhere near good enough for a league one struggler and also further blocking any good young players we may have. Sadly such gambles may be considered low risk but they are still funds we don't really have.

The fact he (McGinty) has been playing some sort of reserve football and only the lowest team in the league wanted him says it all. Noone even wants to borrow Johns for a month. If he was brought in to play for the Academy not sure how that works as isn't he 19 (and too old) for the u 18's?

I will be staggered if either makes it in league football.

Just my opinion of course.

ps- After watching Jagielka at 16 at Abbeydale; if someone said that he would be an England regular I would have thought them bonkers so you never can tell.

 

[FMBlade1]

Any updates on his progress?

Ah, found this:

Failure

Self made, work using Logic Pro. Inspired by R&B, Hip Hop, Trap music and rap intsrumentals with my own personal touch to make unique sounds.

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[Scooter_mcgavin]

Sounds like he's good at mixing it up on centre stage.

 

[Kozzy_is_my_Dad]

I love oddities like this. Where are they now, but with the obscure ones.

What happened to McGinty n all?

 

[FMBlade1]

I love oddities like this. Where are they now, but with the obscure ones.

What happened to McGinty n all?

Ah for the days when we were we complete crap... xD

Sean McGinty's Partik Thistle just taken over by someone who won the lottery. Roygbiv or Deadbat had a brilliant thread somewhere of 'where are they now' with this all on there I think

 

[cal the blade]

Ah jasper johns up there with Ryan france as all time blades legends

 

[FMBlade1]

I don't think it is me that has wrote them off. Weir did not play them (other than 2 games for McGinty where he was really poor) and Johns had a comedy performance when he came on as sub. Clough has not even considered them (Johns does not even play in the u21's).

I have seen Johns 3 or 4 times / McGinty similar. Maybe not enough to judge properly but not seen one quality in either player sadly and the fact neither are even close to the bench for our awful side says it all.

Man Utd/Everton may have seen something but there are tons of players that have promise at teenage years and then just fade away. McGinty went on loan and failed to impress wherever he went. They big clubs may have seen something at early age but both realised they weren't going to make it and offloaded. No shame in that as Everton and Man Utd are giants. However not sure many clubs were falling over themselves to sign them when we did.

No issues with Utd taking a chance to a degree though. Sometimes these low risk signings can work. They have not and again the scouting/recruitment has to have questions asked that they have had 2 players on a year/ 2 year contract in McGinty's case. Basically that are nowhere near good enough for a league one struggler and also further blocking any good young players we may have. Sadly such gambles may be considered low risk but they are still funds we don't really have.

The fact he (McGinty) has been playing some sort of reserve football and only the lowest team in the league wanted him says it all. Noone even wants to borrow Johns for a month. If he was brought in to play for the Academy not sure how that works as isn't he 19 (and too old) for the u 18's?

I will be staggered if either makes it in league football.

Just my opinion of course.

ps- After watching Jagielka at 16 at Abbeydale; if someone said that he would be an England regular I would have thought them bonkers so you never can tell.

Interesting summary, also reminded me how that strategy resulted in Brooks coming here, a low risk signing after being an academy reject elsewhere reaping dividends

 

[JohnDenver]

Ah jasper johns up there with Ryan france as all time blades legends

Might be a touch harsh on Johns.

He was literally just a kid, and either over-promoted by Weir out of pure cluelessness, or used by Weir as a signal to the board and fans that the club was going nowhere anytime soon. Not sure which, but Johns was so raw it was utter cruelty to have him play.

Whereas France was signed as an experienced pro, supposedly on generous terms. I’ve no idea who was to blame for his sorry story...

 

[XM657]

Might be a touch harsh on Johns.

He was literally just a kid, and either over-promoted by Weir out of pure cluelessness, or used by Weir as a signal to the board and fans that the club was going nowhere anytime soon. Not sure which, but Johns was so raw it was utter cruelty to have him play.

Whereas France was signed as an experienced pro, supposedly on generous terms. I’ve no idea who was to blame for his sorry story...

Believe your first assumption of Weir to be correct, don't reckon he had the mental capacity to devise as cunning a plan as your second theory. Weir's reign reminded me of Arthur Rowley's, clueless and not realising what they had taken on. "Money for old rope", rubbing hands together, "It's only little old Sheff. Utd.".

 

[DifferentClass]

Any updates on his progress?

Ah, found this:

Failure

Self made, work using Logic Pro. Inspired by R&B, Hip Hop, Trap music and rap intsrumentals with my own personal touch to make unique sounds.

soundcloud.com

jasper johns (@jasperjohns95) | Twitter

Les tout derniers Tweets de jasper johns (@jasperjohns95). Jasper_johns95 insta Jasperjohns95 snap soundcloud J Johns- https://t.co/iSjkharJyW

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He's also a good artist so he has plenty to fall back on now his football career's gone tits up

 

[coaxingstar71]

Believe your first assumption of Weir to be correct, don't reckon he had the mental capacity to devise as cunning a plan as your second theory. Weir's reign reminded me of Arthur Rowley's, clueless and not realising what they had taken on. "Money for old rope", rubbing hands together, "It's only little old Sheff. Utd.".

Although quite a few of Rowley's signings reaped dividends a couple of years later.

 

[BarcaBlade]

 

[burtonstreetblade]

Although quite a few of Rowley's signings reaped dividends a couple of years later.

Moving Curtis to midfield wasn’t such a bad move either