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I would also add that it is ridiculously unlikely that there is an anti United bias at The Star no matter what the perception is from hardcore Blades.

The owners of the paper simply would not allow the editorial to move in a direction that alienated such a large proportion of their potential customer base. An editor that went against this would simply lose his job.
 
e17blade said:
I would also add that it is ridiculously unlikely that there is an anti United bias at The Star no matter what the perception is from hardcore Blades.

The owners of the paper simply would not allow the editorial to move in a direction that alienated such a large proportion of their potential customer base. An editor that went against this would simply lose his job.
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I've always assumed this to be the case but they don't always do themselves any favours, the Coventry City Open Letter being the latest example.

By the way, did the Open Letter appear in the print edition as well or was it just online?
 
The Star

tagline : Read by 350,000 every week - Print, Online, Mobile.

350,000 / 7 = 50,000 per day (approx)

Facebook Numbers are
55,653 people like
54,054 people follow

What's the population of Sheffield?

What's the difference between reading online and reading on a mobile?
Are they both the same?

I'll give it five years. Print. Then RIP.
 
LYDON said:
The Star

tagline : Read by 350,000 every week - Print, Online, Mobile.

350,000 / 7 = 50,000 per day (approx)

Facebook Numbers are
55,653 people like
54,054 people follow

What's the population of Sheffield?

What's the difference between reading online and reading on a mobile?
Are they both the same?

I'll give it five years. Print. Then RIP.
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It won't be as simple as 350k / 7. The average will be a lot higher than that per day.

The principal is correct though - it isn't massive - and it will be falling.
 
LYDON said:
I'll give it five years. Print. Then RIP.
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And that would be a very sad day. As the likes of The Times and The Guardian don't cover lower league football, what would we be left with?

Other than Radio Sheffield, it would be official club news and rumours and hearsay on twitter and this forum. That's fine in the good times, but when things go wrong we need people to ask the difficult questions.
 
LYDON said:
I'll give it five years. Print. Then RIP.
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They might squeeze out another 3 years, max.

They have deferred loan payments and a rather large bond repayment (reported by the FT to be £220 million) to pay back by 2019.

They keep selling off parts of the business to make ends meet (they sold all the East Anglia titles this month, all their Irish titles a couple of years ago).

90% drop in share price tells you all you need to know.
 
e17blade said:
It won't be as simple as 350k / 7. The average will be a lot higher than that per day.

The principal is correct though - it isn't massive - and it will be falling.
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If we didn't have two football teams in this city, they'd be printing one copy a week.
It wouldn't be daily. What would be the point? Unfortunately, society today is heading faster and faster towards the online world.
By being unfortunate, that's for the folks out there who don't understand or who cannot interact with computers. They're the people who'll lose, but there numbers very soon won't be a matter of concern to the media.

If the average will be higher than the 50,000 per day I quoted, are you suggesting it will also be lower too? If everyday would be higher than 50,000 approx, surely they wouldn't use 350,000 as a figure? It's the football what keeps The Star alive in it's current form. They may not have an anti-United bias but they seem to have a more pro-Wednesday stance, that's been evident since the SOS in 74/75. Forty years + and still we recall it, that's not just me, but everyone on here who's around my age.
 
rtifati said:
And that would be a very sad day. As the likes of The Times and The Guardian don't cover lower league football, what would we be left with?

Other than Radio Sheffield, it would be official club news and rumours and hearsay on twitter and this forum. That's fine in the good times, but when things go wrong we need people to ask the difficult questions.
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Slow down Champ.
I said 'Print' ... not online or mobile.
That's the way they're going... and not just The Star.

Who asks SUFC the 'difficult questions' ?
It ain't James Shield, it ain't RS.
If we haven't got someone now, then who'll begin in the future?
 
The Star is just full of news bites, crime here, crime there, fund raising here, fund raising there.

Where are the proper investigative pieces into why the country's 5th largest city is run like its the 50th largest? What's the nature of the councils 'Chinese relationship' and what it might mean for infrastructure investment etc.

People won't pay for stuff they can see elsewhere for free. I bet the average age of the print reader of the Star is well over 50 and it will gradually die as its readers do.

Whatever you think of journalism as a whole in recent times it's uncovered child abuse in many areas, the MPs expense scandal, drugs scandals in cycling and athletics, FIFA and IOC financial irregularities, massive corporate tax avoidance .....and so on....it's just that none of this is happening at a local level
 
e17blade said:
I would also add that it is ridiculously unlikely that there is an anti United bias at The Star no matter what the perception is from hardcore Blades.

The owners of the paper simply would not allow the editorial to move in a direction that alienated such a large proportion of their potential customer base. An editor that went against this would simply lose his job.
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The "SAVE OUR OWLS" campaign was a bit of a giveaway
 
8lade said:
Shield was probably backed into a corner on this one.

Somebody asks a question on Twitter about your boss.
Your boss follows you on Twitter (to make sure you don't say anything out of place).
The question is a direct 'criticism' of your boss' decision.
Do you ask the boss knowing he's an unfair knobhead knowing you will incur his wrath and may even sack you or just ignore it?
(You keep getting the same question, your boss is still looking in to see what you do...)
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Tend to agree.

Probably it was a reasonable question to ask in the pub off the record and for the reply not to be reproduced.

Otherwise seemed a bit lose lose from his point of view. Justifies it, he just gets loads of abuse, he goes against the reason to print it and it compromises his job. He PMs you and that doesn't stop anyone reprinting on here. Best to ignore it, but if someone tweets you three times that's probably seen as off the table too.

Reckon he has very little to gain in engaging the question on social media. Perhaps courting right to replies could have seen it handled better. For instance the Cov letter totally overlooked them compromising a very important fixture for us even if they didn't give a shit about it, we did. Where was the empathy there?
 
sheffielder said:
But that is how they report on Sheffield Wednesday. I fear you're just one of them so your opinion holds no weight. If you think that the Blades should have some cockney hack writing for us then you misunderstand football fans. He's not one of us, unlike the 3 or 4 who report on the pigs.
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That's our fault for not producing a 'Blades' journalist.
 

Tyler Durden said:
And I didn't mention the Star. It's just one example.

Print media is a dying format and rightly so. People no longer need to rely on one outlet for their news or insight. The journalists of the local rag don't even fulfill their own job description anymore. They leech information from the general public then regurgitate it back into their poorly written articles, omitting and adding anything which might serve their biased agendas.

It's a once noble profession which now has neither merit nor credibility.
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I'm a bit old fashioned sometimes. I used to think I would never have a Kindle, how could it match a real book? Until I had a go with my dear old mums Kindle and I've not bought a printed book since.

Newspapers though, what could be better to work through over breakfast. Well, I've found out it's all there on my phone and I've not bought a paper in as long as I can remember. That's not to say I don't read the free local one, I mean, how else would I keep up to date on the Court Reports and house prices??

We live in the "post-truth" era. News outlets print only in black and white, simplistic news for what remains of their readership (I'll bunch Sky News and BBC News in with that).

I get fantastic reviews and interpretations of play from this Forum (special mention to Deadbat and Bergen Blade )

I get to hear what opposition fans think (special mention to Roygbiv )

I get outraged, amused, informed and challenged often (you, LYDON, WalthamstowBlade and Barney to mention a few)

There are characters and people with diametric views to mine. So I ask you, Sunday morning sports read? will I go online or will I pay for some vanilla, lazy, transparent journalism from some hack desperate to cling on to a sinking ship?
 
If you want news or in-depth reporting and analysis of local issues, don't read the Star. Possibly ok to eat your chips from though.
 
alcoblade said:
Just sat having a massive shit that I've been strangling all night, reading this thread on the phone.

It reminded me, however convenient phones are, you can never replicate that laying a cable / results page in the Green Un combo.
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If you run out of paper in modern times, it's not as if you can use the Wednesday report to wipe clean :)
 
HillmortonBlade said:
I get outraged, amused, informed and challenged often
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I'll take all those ... but you didn't mention 'physically aroused' ....
I suppose that's a 'given' ...

We have our differences of opinion, taste and thoughts, admittedly, mine are all wonderful and imaginative and class, but that's okay.

Mine aren't going to change and I expect no-one else's to either. It's how we all deal with each other on here that's important.

As this is a direct response, i'll add my sincerest bestest wishes to you, your family and friends for the coming holiday season and New Year and I hope you and all the other Blades on here are excited about the next few months of football..

LYDON
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In fairness to The Star and print journalists in general they seldom get the time to fully fact check a story or make their own investigations. Every newspaper has seen a massive decline in staff and most papers simply use press releases as the basis of their stories.

Journalism is not what is once was. In the main it's not about hunting for stories, exposing things and researching. It's about knocking out as many stories as quick as possible.

There is a book called Flat Earth News by Nick Davis that explains brilliantly the impossible circumstances journalists now work in and how almost everything you read comes from the same source. It's a dying industry , certainly as we once knew it anyway.
 
Roygbiv said:
In fairness to The Star and print journalists in general they seldom get the time to fully fact check a story or make their own investigations. Every newspaper has seen a massive decline in staff and most papers simply use press releases as the basis of their stories.

Journalism is not what is once was. In the main it's not about hunting for stories, exposing things and researching. It's about knocking out as many stories as quick as possible.

There is a book called Flat Earth News by Nick Davis that explains brilliantly the impossible circumstances journalists now work in and how almost everything you read comes from the same source. It's a dying industry , certainly as we once knew it anyway.
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The debate they had on The Sunday Supplement was a decent one even though they did seem to be ganging up on Neville at times.

 
Bladesman said:
The debate they had on The Sunday Supplement was a decent one even though they did seem to be ganging up on Neville at times.

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Gary made some good points and the Journalists weren't too happy with a fair amount of the comments he made but, stop with the damn air bunnies Gary!
 
Presty said:
theyre not millionaires but just working blokes trying to earn a living.
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And the Blades fans at Coventry were just working blokes trying to support their team in the face of extreme provocation. There's no balance in The Stir's coverage.

rtifati said:
If we stop buying local newspapers eventually there will be fewer voices to challenge the powers that be, whether that's local council chiefs or football club owners. That has to be a bad thing.
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For many years, The Stir wouldn't print any letters criticising the Council. They didn't want to upset its main advertisers - Sheffield City Council - who used to fill several pages with their ads. for non-jobs for the workshy.

e17blade said:
I would also add that it is ridiculously unlikely that there is an anti United bias at The Star no matter what the perception is from hardcore Blades.
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As somebody has said, you obviously weren't around when The Stir staged a massive 'Save Our Owls' campaign. You'd also think a 'local paper' would have seen value in probing why the Co-op waived a £20m loan to the pigs, but 'man bites dog in Hackenthorpe' is more their style.
 
The Star had a "Save Our Owls" campaign when they were on the verge of liquidation - hence they are anti Blades. ????? That is a classic non sequitur.

United have clearly had some dodgy moments but we haven't been that close to going under. Have we? Do you really think that if we were that close to going under The Star wouldn't do the same for us? It would be a complete disaster for them if we went under.

The Star is a commercial operation, not a Wednesday fan's plaything.
 
Why do people get upset by articles like that?

The Star is independent, and might try to be 'thought provoking' at times. People seem to think it can only report and say nice things about United, or things that they want to hear. That's not going to happen. If you don't like what's written, don't read it, it's a free country after all.
 

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