James McAtee

[ancientblade]

i think mcatee could play behind a lone striker in a 3511 formation if we persist playing 352 our 2 strikers just wont see any of the ball we need to be more compact this time in the premier league the other obvious alternative is play 3421 with berge and mcatee in behind the striker

 

[S64 Blade]

What about a 4-4-2 diamond ?

-------------Wes-------------
Baldock--Anel--Egan--RND
------------Doyle-------------
----Berge-------O'Brien??--
----------McAtee--------------
------McBurnie----Ndiaye----

Ndiaye is capable of dropping back if needed, too.

 

[ancientblade]

What about a 4-4-2 diamond ?

-------------Wes-------------
Baldock--Anel--Egan--RND
------------Doyle-------------
----Berge-------O'Brien??--
----------McAtee--------------
------McBurnie----Ndiaye----

Ndiaye is capable of dropping back if needed, too.

very much doubt hecky will change the 3 at the back system although personally i like the set up youve posted but think if mcburnie is in the starting line up he might be better just in behind nidaye linking the play i think thats more his game than the target man role

 

[Swannyblade]

If I were Pep, I might think sending him to learn a different game in a different style in a different team might benefit him more. Burnley play in a way which suits him more than us. I'd not bank on him coming back.

If I were Pep, I'd want him to remain in an environment where he has been given plenty of game time, developed and flourished to see if he can cut it at the next level up.
Last thing Pep will want is for McAtee to go to a different club and end up sat on their bench for a season if he doesn't hit the ground running.
Hecky has a great reputation in the game for working with and developing young talent. Only thing that might throw a spanner in the works is how close a relationship Kompany and Pep have.

 

[Bladeinleeds]

What about a 4-4-2 diamond ?

-------------Wes-------------
Baldock--Anel--Egan--RND
------------Doyle-------------
----Berge-------O'Brien??--
----------McAtee--------------
------McBurnie----Ndiaye----

Ndiaye is capable of dropping back if needed, too.

Honestly think the last thing we need to do is drop the system that suits us and the players so well.

We are set up with the back 3/5 however you look at it to provide security. And have a centreback in Anel that is capable of providing what we missed from JOC in the relegation season in overlapping.

It’s a formation that was able to beat spurs with essentially a second 11.

Even during the relegation season. We managed to pick up results with it when hecky played an attacking midfielder rather than flat 3 (even when that attacking midfielder was ben Osborn).

Not opposed to a flat 3 at times or for spells but honestly believe the system and players that got us there are more than capable of picking up results with a fair wind.

 

[brownblade]

Honestly think the last thing we need to do is drop the system that suits us and the players so well.

We are set up with the back 3/5 however you look at it to provide security. And have a centreback in Anel that is capable of providing what we missed from JOC in the relegation season in overlapping.

It’s a formation that was able to beat spurs with essentially a second 11.

Even during the relegation season. We managed to pick up results with it when hecky played an attacking midfielder rather than flat 3 (even when that attacking midfielder was ben Osborn).

Not opposed to a flat 3 at times or for spells but honestly believe the system and players that got us there are more than capable of picking up results with a fair wind.

Absolutely.

 

[brownblade]

P.s. I feel confident we'll get Doyle and McAtee back. We're best placed for their development.

City can sell Doyle with a buyback clause. I'd be surprised if existing Prem teams will make it a bidding war, though it would be the most likely reason Doyle went elsewhere.

McAtee would definitely be best returning on loan to a place he's settled and will definitely play regularly.

 

[ancientblade]

P.s. I feel confident we'll get Doyle and McAtee back. We're best placed for their development.

City can sell Doyle with a buyback clause. I'd be surprised if existing Prem teams will make it a bidding war, though it would be the most likely reason Doyle went elsewhere.

McAtee would definitely be best returning on loan to a place he's settled and will definitely play regularly.

yeah think your spot on with that assesment which would leave us with just 1 premier league loan availability has to be a midfielder or striker surely

 

[Blade58]

Stating the obvious I suppose, but Hecky saying the two players are keen at the prospect of returning and provided City agree, wants to bring them both back, but budget constraints may prevent that happening?

Sheffield United boss on Manchester City duo and potential transfer hitch

Sheffield United manager Paul Heckingbottom has confirmed he wants to bring Tommy Doyle and James McAtee back to Bramall Lane next season, but admitted constraints upon his budget could prevent him from doing so.

www.thestar.co.uk

 

[Jon P]

City value McAtee at £25m. Doyle probably similar. Ouch.

 

[Down the Channels]

City value McAtee at £25m. Doyle probably similar. Ouch.

They have probably pitched that a little high, as you would expect.
But it won' be far off.
Anything less than £20M for Doyle is a great deal, even if it is around £18M with loads of add ons.
McAtee has more potential, so can see why the fee would be higher.
There are worse gambles for clubs out there, we won't be able to afford both and I would say Doyle is more important for us at the moment.
As I said on another thread on this topic, if we can negotiate maybe a higher price for Doyle but that includes McAtee coming here for another season on loan, that would be great business in my opinion.
IF we have the funds I would be OK with £22M for Doyle with add ons if we got McAtee for another season.
Doing this may also show some intent for next season and could help N'Diaye and Berge in their decisions to stay for another season too.
I honestly think with those 4 players as a core to the team we can survive. We'll need another 4 or 5 though!!

 

[Jon P]

They have probably pitched that a little high, as you would expect.
But it won' be far off.
Anything less than £20M for Doyle is a great deal, even if it is around £18M with loads of add ons.
McAtee has more potential, so can see why the fee would be higher.
There are worse gambles for clubs out there, we won't be able to afford both and I would say Doyle is more important for us at the moment.
As I said on another thread on this topic, if we can negotiate maybe a higher price for Doyle but that includes McAtee coming here for another season on loan, that would be great business in my opinion.
IF we have the funds I would be OK with £22M for Doyle with add ons if we got McAtee for another season.
Doing this may also show some intent for next season and could help N'Diaye and Berge in their decisions to stay for another season too.
I honestly think with those 4 players as a core to the team we can survive. We'll need another 4 or 5 though!!

Agree Doyle more important. I can't see any club paying £25m for McAtee after one season in the Champ. Still think we're front runners for both, if we can get the deal right.

 

[Bladesman]

 

[bibbity bobbity boo]

Agree Doyle more important. I can't see any club paying £25m for McAtee after one season in the Champ. Still think we're front runners for both, if we can get the deal right.

Forest would.

 

[Weasel]

If like to see if moving quickly on these two. Get them tied up or know the score from City asap do we know whether they are coming back in some capacity or not. City might want to look at them do it might be out of our hands but the longer it drags on into the summer the longer someone with deeper pockets could potentially move in. Twats like Forest for example who just chuck money at it rather than do their own development. If we got Doyle in permanently and McAtee on a loan again that would take a degree of pressure if PHs recruitment this summer. Fingers crossed

 

[Grizzly blade]

Think we are looking at this al wrong.

City apparently allow players like Doyle to leave if a buy back clause is included.

This means the initial selling fee is a little open to query.
Surely the buy back fee is agreed as being higher than the initial selling fee…so…they could use a simple percentage- ie we will buy back at a fee that is 20% over your initial purchase price.
So if we can only afford to pay £5m to get him, the buy back fee City have is £6m. But if we are prepared to pay the going rate…which is probably £15m…then buy back is £18m.

So my point is, why wouldn’t City be happy to let him go where they know he will develop and increase the risk of them getting the player back for a bargain price. It is effectively like a long term loan.

If Doyle decides he later wants a transfer but City do t want him, then United sell for whatever the fee is. In this scenario city lose out…so to counter that City include a Clause whereby they get a large percentage of the profit on any sale over their buy back fee.

If he sees out his contract he can go wherever he wants including city for free.

Everyone’s a winnner.

Doyle gets games at a club he’s likely to develop sooner without the upheaval of starting again elsewhere, and is pitching himself against the best every week.

United get a good player in cheaply which allows the limited budget to stretch further. They are also pretty much assured a return on their investment whereas a loan is dead money.

City have a guaranteed return on their investment in his youth development.

 

[Lowen]

Southampton went and signed two of Man City’s highest rated young players in Gavin Bazunu and Romeo Lavia, both costing 12m with buy back clauses worth around 40m. I’m not sure why Doyle would cost more than that.

 

[ancientblade]

of the 2 our number 1 priority has to be to sign tommy doyle either permanent or loan with view to buy and personally i think we will get him im 50/50 on mcatee not sure he will see enough of the ball in the prem

 

[Bladesman]

 

[Millhousesblade1889]

We spent around £62m in transfer fees the second season of the Prem & £72m first season (based on transfermrkt).

I presume our budget is around £25m this time around. Which is a lot more than we’ve had the previous two seasons but to get premier league quality players in like Doyle you’re looking at spending 80% of your budget on one player.

This is probably why we’ll not sign either of them unless it’s a loan and why you’re probably more likely to see McAtee come back than Doyle.

No team has survive on this budget as far as I can see. We need to be the Luton of the Prem

 

[Maryland_blade]

We spent around £62m in transfer fees the second season of the Prem & £72m first season (based on transfermrkt).

I presume our budget is around £25m this time around. Which is a lot more than we’ve had the previous two seasons but to get premier league quality players in like Doyle you’re looking at spending 80% of your budget on one player.

This is probably why we’ll not sign either of them unless it’s a loan and why you’re probably more likely to see McAtee come back than Doyle.

No team has survive on this budget as far as I can see. We need to be the Luton of the Prem

We should pursue Doyle but only if the terms are financially favourable to us. No point forking out millions for midfielder with his qualities. I believe we could find one quite easily in Europe who’s at a similar level to Doyle for much less than the 20million fans have speculated he would cost.

 

[3Cheers4Ramirez]

A fall back option would be to loan Doyle (though I think City will want to sell) and then loan someone like Elliot Anderson from Newcastle instead of McAtee who then wouldn't be available to us

That would allow the meagre budget to go on other players and might be the way to ensure we're as strong as we can be for next season

At this point I'd accept just Doyle coming back on loan. Might be the way to end up with the best possible midfield if we can spend 10m+ on another 1 or 2

 

[SUFC Guy]

I'd love us to sign Doyle on a permanent and we look at loans for the other areas. Doyle is a younger, quicker, better and fitter version of Norwood. I would still keep Norwood (only 32) as he still has so much to offfer and would be the ideal backup for Doyle (should he be happy with that)

I think that if we do sign Doyle then it's more likely that McAtee will want to return on loan as well. They are obviously very close friends.

 

[Bladesman]

I'd love us to sign Doyle on a permanent and we look at loans for the other areas. Doyle is a younger, quicker, better and fitter version of Norwood. I would still keep Norwood (only 32) as he still has so much to offfer and would be the ideal backup for Doyle (should he be happy with that)

I think that if we do sign Doyle then it's more likely that McAtee will want to return on loan as well. They are obviously very close friends.

They both seemed keen to stay in their recent interviews.

 

[Yellarbellyblade]

Let’s not set ourselves up for another MGW disappointment scenario and save all our love for them until such time as they’re actually back.

 

[Snowflake]

Forest would.

Probably not now that they have removed all those involved in last year’s spending spree !

 

[SUFC Guy]

Let’s not set ourselves up for another MGW disappointment scenario and save all our love for them until such time as they’re actually back.

True mate, but finacially we are better off for a purchase now than we were a few months back. Not massively mind, just better off. If he's up for it then we should make it happen. If he's not then we move on

MGW was never going to come back to us (as a perm transfer) while we were in the Championship

 

[ancientblade]

i think theres every chance these 2 lads will be back next season pep does seem to have a liking for us and weve brought them both on brilliantly this season i reckon doyle 10m with an added 5m if we stay in the premier league

 

[bonobo]

I suspect both would prefer loans, but if Doyle sees he is definitely out of City's plans going forward, I think he will take a perm and offer of first team football in the Prem ( I don't see any one else in Prem outside the promoted teams, being interested in him). City seem to be quite relaxed with letting players go with the buy-back option. For McAtee, young players can really come on a lot over the summer, but I wonder if he is better used as a 2nd striker in the Prem for now, smg of an impact player, cover of Ndiaye...or god forbid a replacement Ndiaye if he moves this summer.

 

[ancientblade]

kompany could be a danger if were after these 2 lads again weve excellent relations with city but kompany is their ex captain