James McAtee

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Nicolaus_Copernicus said:
We could've had Doyle for a pre-agreed £12m. FACT. Fact. fact.
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Presumably that would’ve been an obligation to buy rather than an option to buy? Can’t see why we’d turn down the latter but can see why we’d turn down the former. Of course, hindsight and all that but…
 
LondonBlade89 said:
Presumably that would’ve been an obligation to buy rather than an option to buy? Can’t see why we’d turn down the latter but can see why we’d turn down the former. Of course, hindsight and all that but…
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I think it was an option/first dibs/first refusal. I don't think we envisaged a situation where we'd need to do it tbbh.
 
LJBlade said:
There wasn’t any sort of option.
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City offered us the opportunity to insert such a clause into the loan deal with Doyle, we chose not to.

I was told that at the start of the season, in person by someone who did the deal. If you’ve heard/been told different, then so be it.
 
Nicolaus_Copernicus said:
City offered us the opportunity to insert such a clause into the loan deal with Doyle, we chose not to.

I was told that at the start of the season, in person by someone who did the deal. If you’ve heard/been told different, then so be it.
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Sorry I’m lost…

If an option (with no obligation) to buy was offered why would we ever refuse that? What would we have had to lose?
 
Teddy said:
Sorry I’m lost…

If an option (with no obligation) to buy was offered why would we ever refuse that? What would we have had to lose?
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Possibly because we didn't see ourselves as being able to buy him at the end of the deal (fee & wages), whether the figure was £5m, £10m or £15m or we had no interest in making the deal permanent & just saw it as a short term solution.

I don't know, i'm just telling you what I was told. I thought the same. Despite what might be said now, at the start of the season, I think that our mindset was about getting through the season being 'competitive', and it wasn't about challenging for promotion. We were actively looking to sell players up until the first window closed, such was our financial position.

The gentleman who told me said that City we quite happy to put a figure in for Doyle & were happy to make it permanent at it's end, but not for McAtee, who they considered a different level of player, and one who they thought had the ability to break into City's 1st team squad.

Others may have been different by other people, they may have been told different by the same people, I don't know. If I were going to spin a bullshit story, I'd make it a lot more exciting than this. 🤷‍♂️

The more you deal with people at the club, the more you realise that the truth lies at SUFC.
 
Tommy Doyle is a decent enough player but far from remarkable and I just don’t get the idea that we must sign him at any cost .

The quoted figure of 10-12 million is a big chunk of money in our terms and I am far from convinced that there may not be other options available at a much lower price who could be equally effective .

McAtee is a different proposition altogether and I have little doubt that City would not even think about releasing him at this stage of his career but , touch wood , may well consider a further loan . This is partly due to the outstanding progress he has made with us , thanks to the efforts of our excellent management team and coaching staff .

Less than 9 months ago he looked totally out of his depth in men’s football but now seems ready to take on PL defences with confidence , especially the shit ones and there are plenty of those .
 
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I'm still not convinced McAtee offers enough for a team who will likely be battling relegation. Sure, he can make something happen, but our possession stats will be low and the rest of his game isn't anywhere near at the moment. I don't think you can play him in midfield and Ndiaye is lightyears ahead playing off a striker.

He'd be great to have as a luxury but can we really afford one of our PL loans to be that?
 
robbiez666 said:
I'm still not convinced McAtee offers enough for a team who will likely be battling relegation. Sure, he can make something happen, but our possession stats will be low and the rest of his game isn't anywhere near at the moment. I don't think you can play him in midfield and Ndiaye is lightyears ahead playing off a striker.

He'd be great to have as a luxury but can we really afford one of our PL loans to be that?
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yes and in the majority of games little possesion for me of the 2 tommy doyle is the one we most need if mcatees loan terms are favourable yes i would have him back but of course that would be 50% of our premier league loans done maybe a different type of midfielder and a striker might be better options
 
robbiez666 said:
I'm still not convinced McAtee offers enough for a team who will likely be battling relegation. Sure, he can make something happen, but our possession stats will be low and the rest of his game isn't anywhere near at the moment. I don't think you can play him in midfield and Ndiaye is lightyears ahead playing off a striker.

He'd be great to have as a luxury but can we really afford one of our PL loans to be that?
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McAtee will be a very good player for Man City because they keep the ball. We’re likely to have 30-40% possession in most games next season. I’d love for him to return but I don’t think he will. If it’s a choice of him or Doyle I’d prefer Doyle
 
Nixon tweeting he's destined for highest move possible. Not sure if that rules out? Cryptic twat.
 

McAtee gave us a threat in transition and we scored goals from that too. He also gives us the ability to switch between a 343 / 352 mid game. In a team that lacks possession you still need to create and score goals, under Wilder we prioritised our out of possession shape to the point we completely forgot how to score and had absolutely zero threat anywhere on the pitch.

If another loan is possible for McAtee we should definitely do it, more so than Doyle who we should be looking at on a permanent deal. We have to buy central midfielders, if he’s out of budget then you go elsewhere.
 
Gin&Juice said:
Nixon tweeting he's destined for highest move possible. Not sure if that rules out? Cryptic twat.
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I think you’d need to look at the current league members and ask if there’s any that would take McAtee on loan (disregarding the 3 promoted. May as well come back to us). Either that, or the highest ‘move’ available for Macca is into the City first team squad.
 
Should Sunderland not get promoted, and if we are able to tweek our formation to allow it, i'd have Doyle & Diallo on loan rather than McAtee.
 
robbiez666 said:
I'm still not convinced McAtee offers enough for a team who will likely be battling relegation. Sure, he can make something happen, but our possession stats will be low and the rest of his game isn't anywhere near at the moment. I don't think you can play him in midfield and Ndiaye is lightyears ahead playing off a striker.

He'd be great to have as a luxury but can we really afford one of our PL loans to be that?
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Some fair points there but I can only see his all round game continuing to improve and with Ndiaye as part of the two playing behind a main striker , I think we would struggle to find better .
 
Isaw Joeshaw said:
Some fair points there but I can only see his all round game continuing to improve and with Ndiaye as part of the two playing behind a main striker , I think we would struggle to find better .
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I can imagine we'll be playing 2 AMs behind a striker in the Premier League. If McAtee has the workmate of Ndiaye, then maybe, but he doesn't. We would score more goals playing like that but we'd also concede more.
 
robbiez666 said:
I'm still not convinced McAtee offers enough for a team who will likely be battling relegation. Sure, he can make something happen, but our possession stats will be low and the rest of his game isn't anywhere near at the moment. I don't think you can play him in midfield and Ndiaye is lightyears ahead playing off a striker.

He'd be great to have as a luxury but can we really afford one of our PL loans to be that?
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To stay up you need to score goals.
It's all very well keeping the ball but if you don't create anything you will be relegated.
While yes Ndiaye is well ahead of McAtee there is no guarantee he'll be here next season or he could get injured.
Part of our problem the last time we got relegated from the Premiership was we didn't create much.
 
Broomhall Blade said:
To stay up you need to score goals.
It's all very well keeping the ball but if you don't create anything you will be relegated.
While yes Ndiaye is well ahead of McAtee there is no guarantee he'll be here next season or he could get injured.
Part of our problem the last time we got relegated from the Premiership was we didn't create much.
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You're right but you also have to stop the other team scoring. Unless we bring it a proper athlete in midfield then I don't think we can carry him. Look at his overall contribution over the 90 minutes. He's missing for much of it. Ndiaye never stops. He'd be useful to come off the bench but I can't either us loaning him for that or him wanting to come as a bit part.
 
Don't understand what McAtee is meant to be lacking, exactly. Is he supposed to be great defensively or something, to play in the PL?
 
robbiez666 said:
I can imagine we'll be playing 2 AMs behind a striker in the Premier League. If McAtee has the workmate of Ndiaye, then maybe, but he doesn't. We would score more goals playing like that but we'd also concede more.
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and if that is the case, I'd rather have Diallo on loan from Man Utd than McAtee from City, especially if it meant that we couldn't get Doyle back on loan.
 
Nicolaus_Copernicus said:
and if that is the case, I'd rather have Diallo on loan from Man Utd than McAtee from City, especially if it meant that we couldn't get Doyle back on loan.
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good point was really impressed with diallo yesterday for sunderland if we cant afford doyle we could loan him and diallo with views to buy both i also think we will be playing 2 behind a striker that lone role up front is a big decision for hecky i think we need to bring somebody in for that role neither mcburnie or brewster good enough for that position
 
ancientblade said:
good point was really impressed with diallo yesterday for sunderland if we cant afford doyle we could loan him and diallo with views to buy both i also think we will be playing 2 behind a striker that lone role up front is a big decision for hecky i think we need to bring somebody in for that role neither mcburnie or brewster good enough for that position
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3-4-2-1 or 3-5-1-1, but the '1' has to be a special one.
 
Nicolaus_Copernicus said:
3-4-2-1 or 3-5-1-1, but the '1' has to be a special one.
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has to be 3421 if we stick to a back 3 and we need to sign somebody to play this role maybe it could be from the foreign market thought morris from luton might be an option but wasnt impressed with him against sunderland
 
Hamandcheese said:
Don't understand what McAtee is meant to be lacking, exactly. Is he supposed to be great defensively or something, to play in the PL?
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Don't think he's lacking anything except experience to play his best position. It's just a question of whether PH will play a formation that would include him. He can't play a hard running, Lundstram type, midfield role (as demonstrated at Luton) and he'd be an expensive equivalent of Freeman and a waste of a loan if PH decided to go with a flat 3. X
 

Mouth of the South said:
Don't think he's lacking anything except experience to play his best position. It's just a question of whether PH will play a formation that would include him. He can't play a hard running, Lundstram type, midfield role (as demonstrated at Luton) and he'd be an expensive equivalent of Freeman and a waste of a loan if PH decided to go with a flat 3. X
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I think we need to and probably will switch between a flat 3 and the current system, which would have McAtee starting around half the games, which is probably about right

Can see the temptation to use the loan slot on someone who'll be an absolute starter though. As ever, it depends on what's available
 
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