James Hanson

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DronnieBlade said:
He wasn't heading it to a fucking Red shirt was he ? The first four touches of the ball Hanson had in yesterday's game( all headers) were STRAIGHT to a blue shirt. Fact. Not fiction. Not my impression or opinion. FACT.

The fact that possession was lost ensured that Bolton came straight back at us EACH AND EVERY TIME. Fact. Watch the DVD. Tell me I am wrong !

UTB

P.s. Did you see the game or are you suffering from the same Mandela effect as hundreds of others ?
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Correct me if I'm wrong, because it was at the other end of the ground, but was it not Hanson whose header was headed off the line in the first few minutes? If so, it is a tad harsh to say it went to a blue shirt. Apologies if it wasn't him.
 



dan brown said:
don`t forget Dronnie, Hanson and Sharpe are out numbered 4 to 2, so heading to a team mate with a 6`5" centerback climbing all over you can be tricky at times.
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Agreed and I don't think anyone expects anything other than the flick on going to the defence, but it's just how the crowd lavish praise for winning a header which goes to the opposition.

Dean Hammond got slaughtered for giving the ball away and rightly so, winning a flick on to no one is exactly the same as a Hammond missed placed pass. They both result in losing possession, so why clap one and grown at the other?
 
Said at the start of the season that he would be a good option to have. A proper target man after the travesty of watching connor sammon fail to win anything in the air for a season.

Having that option if good because we arn't being reduced to hitting it 70 yards to him - we are still playing in the right way and using him to win ball and knacker their defences.

There was one point v scunny when one of their defenders literally bounced 5 metes off him when they challenged for the ball. Best target man ive seen for ages.
 
DronnieBlade said:
This.^^^^

But in the fairness of balance, is this tactically naive rather than the players fault ????

Either way, and given the season we are having, and the methods employed to get us where we are, I'm just not getting this Hanson love in. One jot. If you actually look very closely, he is 80-90% ineffective. That is to say, he loses possession of the football approx this amount of the time he has an "input" in the game. In my book that's NGE. Perhaps I'm wrong !

We have dominated teams and are miles in front at the top of the division because we have passed teams to death. Evidence today against arguably our strongest rivals. Bossed them on the floor.

Not at all sure he's right for Billy either. Although miles better than Leon (poor Leon !).

I'm with you on this YesB. Pace and guile over brawn and bruises all day long.

UTB
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You make a fair point ...... however, until there is the "Liverpool style investment" in the playing squad, that we have been promised, we cannot afford "pace and guile" :rolleyes:;)

UTB & FTP
 
Hanson did ok,I admit he's not my favourite player,but I would have liked to see Lavery on a bit sooner..I would have loved to see him run and turn those two big Centre Backs...let's face it they handled anything in the air ok,and they knew Sharp and Hanson lacked the pace to run past them.
 
I can see some of the issues others see with Hanson. What some don't see is a "proper" footballer that we see in Fleck, Carruthers, Duffy, Couuts, Freeman etc. These players use the ball intelligently, but Hanson looks a bit ungainly at times.

A team needs players like Hanson and Lafferty (As he has taken a bit of stick over the months).

They all go in the mix to create a team effort. Billy hasn't quite worked out how to play with Hanson yet. I believe yesterday, Hanson caused the 2 Bolton CH's problems all day - he competed well all afternoon and it gave the entire Bolton team something to think about. They didn't know how we would play and it kept them guessing. Once again, hats off to CW & AK - tactics were spot on.

Three points, a small monkey off our backs as we have conclusively put a top six side away. We showed another level to our game yesterday - we are as they say - learning all the time, and it's good to see.

UTB
 
Players like Hanson will always be a 50/50 split with fans as the Bradford fans said when we bought him. He wasn't bought to score 20 goals a season and run in behind defenders, he was brought in to form a partnership with the best striker in the division which 4/5 others at our club failed to do. Billys scored 5 goals in the 4 games they've started together and we've conceded 1 goal and he has sure contributed to that aswell.
 
If you have a problem with Hanson inclusion in the team then you have an issue with CW's management . Hanson doing exactly what CW brought him to the club to do *. If he wasn't then CW would drop him just has he did with Hussy and Wilson et al . Hanson gives us options , links play well ( he's actually far better with the ball at his feet than I thought he was ) and draws defenders to him freeing space up for the midfield and Sharp .

Yesterday's performance epitomises perfectly what Hanson does for the team . Bolton are a team of ' flat track bullies ' , but by the end of the game yesterday they couldn't wait to get off the pitch . They were fucked mentally and physically . They were over run by our marauding midfield and battered and bruised by a defence who never gave an inch and a front two who never gave them a minute both aerially and on the floor . In all of this Hanson more than plays his part .

Hanson made his debut at the start of the dreaded month of February , the month we all looked at with a mixture of excitement and trepidation . We've won 3 , drawn 2 conceded 1 and scored 8 . Hanson has more than played his part in this sequence . If you don't like the ' big un little un ' front pairing that's fine , we all have opinions . But to then slate Hanson and claim he has been totally ineffective on the back of this every time he's played is an incredibly disingenuous thing to do .

* where I do have an issue with Hanson is a lack of goals scored . We appear to be over reliant upon Sharp . We've struggled all season in this respect to be fair . If Hanson chips in with 4 or 5 by the end of the season however , whilst continuing his current contribution to our overall performances , I'll be happy in every respect . Whether that would be good enough in a division higher is debateable , but let's get there first !
 
I said when we signed him that he would be crucial to getting any kind of result against Scunny and Bolton and it's proved the case. It will be the same against Millwall and should make Bradford very interesting...hope he puts that c**t Mcardle on his arse.
 
DronnieBlade said:
I thought we were tactically naive in the first half. We played in to Bolton hands, played them at their own game. Tufty has said as much post match. MUCH of this (not all) was down to launching high (hopeful ?) balls in to Hanson. Hardly the lads fault as such as he isn't the one doing the launching. I accept he isn't deliberately aiming for a blue shirt but the fact remains that's where it ended up. Turnover of possession, in whatever area of the pitch, is never to be accepted so lightly in my book. It's so so hard to win possession back, it should be cherished. Possession for possessions sake, in the fairness of balance here, not what I'm on about. Meaningful possession is where I'm at. But that's a whole new chapter (or book) that's not for now !

Over the 85 mins or so Hanson was on the pitch he worked his socks off. That's good. He closed the defenders down well. That's good. He won lots of headers. Mmmm. I fail to see, in a general sense what's good about this when the VAST MAJORITY result in a possession turnover. Over said 85 minutes I would estimate 80%-90%. I don't believe that's a good enough strategy for a progressive forward thinking side like this 2017 SUFC side. I could be wrong.

My apologies if you felt insulted. Was not my intention.

UTB
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Did Billy Sharp keep possession every time the ball was played into him ?
 
YES Blade said:
The team performances have been good and you can't argue with the results but I don't believe that Hanson has made that big of a impact that others seem to think.

You are a big critic of Done, but I can't see how you think Hanson is an improvement on him. He's got the same work rate but to me is just a taller and slower version.
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Isn't a big version of Done what we needed? Done has been the most effective partner for Billy, in that Billy played well and scored a lot when Done played, even if their link play wasn't great. Now we've got someone who does a similar job in creating space for Bily and harassing the defenders but also has the aerial ability we were lacking.

We're not going to find a fast, skilful striker who's going to do a job to make Billy look good so the only way to improve on Done is what we've done.
 
DronnieBlade said:
Seems I'm pretty much on my own with this. So I'd be grateful for some help.

When our crowd cheers raucously when Hanson wins a header that comes to nothing / goes straight to an opponent, can someone please explain to me why everyone seems to be cheering ? Why what has just happened is "good" in any way shape or form. I know of NO other clubs fans that cheer when it's own player heads it straight to an opponent. Why do so many Blades fans, on the face of it, love the fact the header is "won" and couldn't care less what happens next !

In words that a four year old could understand please as it's pretty clear I'm just not getting this. Thanks in advance.

UTB
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"...In words that a four year old could understand please as it's pretty clear I'm just not getting this. Thanks in advance..."

This is how I see it mate, just my opinion.

Yesterdays game (as an example), second half, throw in from inside our half, Freeman has the ball, looking for options to throw to. Hanson shouts for the ball, two of their players get on on him, one in front and one behind, so he is sandwiched (calm down LYDON ;)) so that is not one man marking, he has taken two of their boys out of the game, Duffy or Coutts run in for the short throw, or alternatively, Freeman throws and Hanson has a go for it, with a decent success rate.

Set piece corner, Hanson moves to the back post, two (if not three) of their players follow him, creating space for others. Or, set piece corner, Hanson moves back to the edge of the box, ready to run in (whether he really means to or not), two or three of their players follow him, you can't give a big 6ft 4" lad room to run in and build up steam to head the ball in.

Hanson creates the space for Duffy, Fleck, Sharp, etc.

Hanson is not a flair player (like the excellent Carruthers), he is the height and physicality we have been missing to help make the chances, and chip in with some goals.

We would all love another "Billy Sharp", but there is only one.

Those cold afternoons, in seasons gone by, when we had no tall forward players, and had to watch the Oldham manager shout "Height!, Height!", to his lads, to reinforce the point that Scougall, Doyle, Baxter, Holt, etc, were no aerial threat no matter what, so just the kick the ball at about a six foot level and we would win nothing, are all gone and in the past.

What we really need, is the midfield player who bursts into the box (said it a lot recently) , because more often than not, we get the ball to Hanson, he has his back to their goal, he shields the ball from the opposition and plays the short, simple ball to the on rushing Duffy or Fleck, etc., and I want them to run into box from that point.

Sorry for the long winded answer, but the pacey, tricky player is Lavery, and he comes on after Hanson has given their defenders grief for 70+ minutes.

It's all about opinions of course, and at the end of the day, we are all Blades.
 



DronnieBlade said:
Than I assume you have countless examples of when teams score WITHOUT possession ?

And countless examples of when teams concede when WITH possession.

Style does NOT come in to it. Where did I mention style ?

Your flippant ascertion regarding "this possession thing is a myth" is simply staggering. Only in S2 ;)

Thankfully our players and manager know better !

UTB
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leicester
there is more to it than posession for posessions sake .. fake barca styles playing side to side for 80 mins..ooh so much possession.. see clough, adkins
it's the utilisation of the posession that counts (and also incidentally why hoofball doesnt work and why your stereottping of my post was a little premature)
 
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INTERUNITED said:
Basham man of the match for me, but how good was Hanson today!!! He never stopped running and never gave both centre backs a minute. In fact I though Beevers was going to pull a white flag out of his socks and start waving it near the end. What a top top signing this lad is. He opitamises Chris Wilders attitude to the game!!!
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Excellent signing as he is a constant menace all over the field.
Excellent foil for Sharp.
A real Wilder player, and an excellent signing for this league.
UTB
 
super_pig said:
leicester
there is more to it than posession for posessions sake .. fake barca styles playing side to side for 80 mins..ooh so much possession.. see clough, adkins
it's the utilisation of the posession that counts (and also incidentally why hoofball doesnt work and why your stereottping of my post was a little premature)
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Leicester. Leicester !!!!!

So Leicester scored goals when not in possession and conceded when they had it (as was my summation of the post I was directly responding to) ??

Really !!!!!!

So exactly zero examples of either scenario. In the real world ;)

As for the other bits, see #80.

UTB
 
Blend-it-like-Harris said:
Read this and smile Blades fans, and note also what this Bolton sportswriter said about Hanson:
http://lionofviennasuite.sbnation.c...derers-put-to-the-sword-by-razor-sharp-blades
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1. That's just about the best, most balanced piece of journalism I have read from someone reporting on their own team in a long long time. Tick a bew son !

2. The journo states that Hanson dominated Derik in the air. Yes he did. Thats all he has said. Nothing more. One short sentence. No waxing lyrical on the performance in the same way reserved for Sharp. He didn't say Hanson played well. He didn't say he was effective. He didn't contribute to the goals. He didn't show what a brilliant touch he has. He didn't. Just didn't.

That's not the debate. What is under discussion is how "effective" this was.

What this appears to have turned in to, correct me if I'm wrong, is Hanson winnng headers. No more no less. Everything else is periphery, irrelevant and insignificant.

Expect the 7'6' guy from Gerry Cottles circus on stilts to line up Satdi !!!!

UTB
 
Kentblade said:
Excellent signing as he is a constant menace all over the field.
Excellent foil for Sharp.
A real Wilder player, and an excellent signing for this league.
UTB
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For someone of a more mature age, with commensurate wisdom to boot, you "really" should know better !!

But seriously it does go somewhat to proving (in my own mind at least) what I believe I have been hearing in the ground. That's it's the "older" (with respect) brigade that lack understanding the most. Sorry.

UTB
 
Grappler said:
"...In words that a four year old could understand please as it's pretty clear I'm just not getting this. Thanks in advance..."

This is how I see it mate, just my opinion.

Yesterdays game (as an example), second half, throw in from inside our half, Freeman has the ball, looking for options to throw to. Hanson shouts for the ball, two of their players get on on him, one in front and one behind, so he is sandwiched (calm down LYDON ;)) so that is not one man marking, he has taken two of their boys out of the game, Duffy or Coutts run in for the short throw, or alternatively, Freeman throws and Hanson has a go for it, with a decent success rate.

Set piece corner, Hanson moves to the back post, two (if not three) of their players follow him, creating space for others. Or, set piece corner, Hanson moves back to the edge of the box, ready to run in (whether he really means to or not), two or three of their players follow him, you can't give a big 6ft 4" lad room to run in and build up steam to head the ball in.

Hanson creates the space for Duffy, Fleck, Sharp, etc.

Hanson is not a flair player (like the excellent Carruthers), he is the height and physicality we have been missing to help make the chances, and chip in with some goals.

We would all love another "Billy Sharp", but there is only one.

Those cold afternoons, in seasons gone by, when we had no tall forward players, and had to watch the Oldham manager shout "Height!, Height!", to his lads, to reinforce the point that Scougall, Doyle, Baxter, Holt, etc, were no aerial threat no matter what, so just the kick the ball at about a six foot level and we would win nothing, are all gone and in the past.

What we really need, is the midfield player who bursts into the box (said it a lot recently) , because more often than not, we get the ball to Hanson, he has his back to their goal, he shields the ball from the opposition and plays the short, simple ball to the on rushing Duffy or Fleck, etc., and I want them to run into box from that point.

Sorry for the long winded answer, but the pacey, tricky player is Lavery, and he comes on after Hanson has given their defenders grief for 70+ minutes.

It's all about opinions of course, and at the end of the day, we are all Blades.
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Thanks. Helps.

Perhaps your 2nd last para, when all said and done, is where my view differs. It should be Hanson coming off the bench to replace the pacey tricky player having given their defenders grief rather than the other way round. IMHO.

UTB
 
DronnieBlade said:
Thanks. Helps.

Perhaps your 2nd last para, when all said and done, is where my view differs. It should be Hanson coming off the bench to replace the pacey tricky player having given their defenders grief rather than the other way round. IMHO.

UTB
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we don't play with wingers
 
Fanny magnet said:
we don't play with wingers
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Your point being .......

But that has gotten me thinking again !!. We don't play with wingers, we play narrower. In a general sense, does this suggest we should start with the pacy tricky guy up top or the big strong battering ram ??

UTB
 
From every post on here nobody challenges the fact that Big Jim gives us something different.

Whether he starts and then Caolan comes on later or vice versa will depend on who we are playing and the state of the game.

Those decisions belongs to Tufty, and he's got most of those right so far.

UTB
 



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