James Beattie

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BladeInBC said:
1. You're not old enough to remember Deane and Agana are you?
2. Executing fans for moaning... I'm not against that. ;-)
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No, not properley anyway. Beattie was excellent for us, to say he was "ok" (other poster) is just bloody insulting to BT. 20 goals in a season is a little better than ok. His powers were endless.

1. The best penalty taker I have ever seen in red and white.
2. Incredible aerial threat.
3. A shot of pure power ( Bristol at home)
4. A free kick of sensualness (Pigs home , Burnley away)
5. More man than man
 
And he was probably our best defender at set pieces too.

to say that Agana was a better player than beattie is simply laughable.
 
Highbury_Blade said:
And he was probably our best defender at set pieces too.

to say that Agana was a better player than beattie is simply laughable.
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That is a tough one. I wouldn't say it was laughable though. Whilst Deane did score after Agana left, I thought he lost a little bit of something the day Agana was sold to Notts County.

I think Agana sometimes doesn't get as much credit as he deserves because Deano seemed to overshadow him. I don't think there is much between him and Beattie in terms of their SUFC quality.

Deane and Agana is definitely the best partnership I've ever seen at SUFC. How does it stand with those of you older than 30?
 
In terms of partnership, the Deane/Agana has not been bettered over the last 25 years, surely. However, in terms of an individual player, surely none have been better than Beattie?

United have had some good players over the years; Brown, Tonge, Hutchison, Cowans, Fjortoft, Ndlovu, Kelly, Tracey. However, Beattie was an expensive, quality, first class centre forward that was signed at one of the top points of his career. He wasn't a has been at the time, he wasn't like the Ian Rush signing (i.e. he was 77 at the time), and he was not unproven.

It must have been one of the only times ever in the history of the club that the board went out and signed a proven centre forward that cost serious money and wages because they thought it would guarantee promotion.
 
Beattie was was that extra bit of quality that kept our heads above league 1 while under the awful mismanagement of Robson.

He was an ambitious signing but one that certainly sent out a message that we meant business.

I hope we land him because he is a damn site better than the crap we have that call themselves strikers.
 
Wombwell_Blade said:
That is a tough one. I wouldn't say it was laughable though. Whilst Deane did score after Agana left, I thought he lost a little bit of something the day Agana was sold to Notts County.
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My original reply to Jehovah was just going to say Deane but I added Agana because that was when he was at his best. But I agree with you WB, it's not laughable. Agana was a regular relied upon goalscorer. This partnership was easily the best I've seen for United... I can't even think of another partnership that comes close.
 
BladeInBC said:
My original reply to Jehovah was just going to say Deane but I added Agana because that was when he was at his best. But I agree with you WB, it's not laughable. Agana was a regular relied upon goalscorer. This partnership was easily the best I've seen for United... I can't even think of another partnership that comes close.
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Better than the sum of their parts i'd say, but deane was unquestionably the better striker of the two. I'll still stand by my earlier statement. And i'd say beattie was the best striker i've seen at the lane.
 
Latters said:
Yes, really. That we didn't go bust last time suggests we could afford him.

To imply that a player who has spent one full season over the whole of his career outside of the top flight (be it England or latterly Scotland, and the only season below that being spent with us and scoring plenty of goals) is on a par with Mellor is laughable.

I support the football team and don't concern myself with the financials so if we sign him, that's confirms to me that we can afford him. If we don't, which is definitely the most likely scenario, we probably can't.

As a football fan not a money man, I fail to see how any fan could not want him in our team and how having a player the calibre of Beattie playing for us in a shit division can have any detrimental affect. When fit, he would tear the division apart. In fact he probably would even if he wasn't fit!
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What about the fact that we've had to sell or get rid of Kenny, Naughton, Walker, Kilgallon, and Beattie himself, amongst others? That we signed Beattie to get us into the Premiership and now find ourselves maybe signing him to get us back into the Championship? That suggests very strongly to me that our finances have gone seriously awry, and I firmly believe signing Beattie for that fee and on those wages was one of the missteps that got us here.

Secondly, I did not suggest Beattie is "on a par" with Mellor. However, his career post-United, bar his first few months at Stoke, can definitely be characterised as a failure.

I'm not one of those that felt Beattie was only good for penalties and Freekicks. He was easily the most dangerous and prolific Centre Forward I've seen at the Lane. However, I think signing him, however unlikely I think it is, would be detrimental to the club, as I believe it was last time.
 
axel smeets said:
United have had some good players over the years; Brown, Tonge, Hutchison, Cowans, Fjortoft, Ndlovu, Kelly, Tracey.
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There is absolutely no way I would place Don Hutchison amongst the rest of those players. A massive expensive disappointment, that showed glimpses of talent in an otherwise distinctly average time with us. I know he went on to do very well at Everton, but he was almost the central midfield equivalent of Ched Evans in his time with us.
 
Guesty said:
What about the fact that we've had to sell or get rid of Kenny, Naughton, Walker, Kilgallon, and Beattie himself, amongst others? That we signed Beattie to get us into the Premiership and now find ourselves maybe signing him to get us back into the Championship? That suggests very strongly to me that our finances have gone seriously awry, and I firmly believe signing Beattie for that fee and on those wages was one of the missteps that got us here.

Secondly, I did not suggest Beattie is "on a par" with Mellor. However, his career post-United, bar his first few months at Stoke, can definitely be characterised as a failure.

I'm not one of those that felt Beattie was only good for penalties and Freekicks. He was easily the most dangerous and prolific Centre Forward I've seen at the Lane. However, I think signing him, however unlikely I think it is, would be detrimental to the club, as I believe it was last time.
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Let's not kid ourselves that if we hadn't signed signing Beattie we would have kept any of Kenny, Naughton, Walker or Kilgallon. After all, we do have a wee bit of form in selling our best players. I'd much rather we actually sign class players such as Beattie so we do get a little enjoyment in between the sales rather than find ourselves in the situation we're in now where we're desperate to sell but only have shit in the squad that nobody wants.

I enjoy watching good players playing for my team, however long they might be here. I don't ever recall thinking "This is awesome, we're making huge savings due to the reasonable wage bill and sub-standard players on show". Having good players in your first team does not have a detrimental affect on your first team.

I strongly believe that, with or without the extreme spending under Robson, we'd be where we are now, only sooner, because when you replace decent players with shit ones, your team get worse. We were just lucky we had spent a bit of cash on the decent players in the first place or our fall from grace would have been a plummet.
 
Latters said:
I strongly believe that, with or without the extreme spending under Robson, we'd be where we are now, only sooner, because when you replace decent players with shit ones, your team get worse. We were just lucky we had spent a bit of cash on the decent players in the first place or our fall from grace would have been a plummet.
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I'd argue if we'd appointed a decent manager in 2007 and not let them go crazy with spending, we'd actually be upper Championship if not Prem. There is no reason why with some sensible signings in 2007 we couldn't have gone back up given the players we came down with.
 
LoughboroBlade said:
I'd argue if we'd appointed a decent manager in 2007 and not let them go crazy with spending, we'd actually be upper Championship if not Prem. There is no reason why with some sensible signings in 2007 we couldn't have gone back up given the players we came down with.
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Not really we just needed a good manager and even with those signings there would of been no excuse for struggling.
 



typical pre season rumour everybody disappointed at the fact we don't sign a player we were never in for

soon be time for Michael Browns return or Michael Tonge wont it ? ?

i see Charlton are going for their 11 signing of the summer ? ? is that too many in 1 transfer window ?
 
Torrix1889 said:
Was it really ever on the cards.....?
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Being honest, no it wasn't!

The clue was in the appointment of Danny Wilson

Further clues in the sale, sorry pending departure, of all the high earners and the signing of a Swindon reserve.

Despite what everyone may think about BT, he was never headed our way was he?

BBB's are the only order of the day.

Incidently, can't remember if there is a Lloyd Dyer rumour on this board (there is on BM) but looks like he's signing for Wendy. Deal expected to be completed this week apparantly
 
BT would have been an icing on the cake type of player rather than the hungry work-a-holic type we're going to need this season. People will remember the free-kicks, the great goals but he went missing for long periods and it doesn't take much of a memory test to remember that the forums were pretty much split about him at the time he played for us.
 
Blade58 said:
Being honest, no it wasn't!

The clue was in the appointment of Danny Wilson

Further clues in the sale, sorry pending departure, of all the high earners and the signing of a Swindon reserve.
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Blade58 said:
Right, which Swindon reserve will Wilson sign next?
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You keep badgering on about a JFL as a reserve, for a reserve he's had a pretty impressive 56 appearences for Swindon over a two year period. Wasn't the main reason he didn't play last year down to an injury?

I'll give him a chance before I write him off as a poor signing.
 
axel smeets said:
However, Beattie was an expensive, quality, first class centre forward that was signed at one of the top points of his career. He wasn't a has been at the time, he wasn't like the Ian Rush signing (i.e. he was 77 at the time), and he was not unproven.
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I'd question that he was at one of the top points of his career. Hadn't he just had a horrific flop of a season at Everton.

Beattie was a luxury we couldn't afford, didn't need and we improved when he left. On the days when he fancied it, he looked a real asset but he was never even close to being in the same league as someone like Deano.
 
yes, at the time i remember people saying that robbo was bonkers shelling out £4m for a player that hadn't scored from open play in 18 months
 
Deane did it in every division he played in, carrying us up into the top flight then keeping us there. Beattie was good, but his achievements weren't close to Deane's.
 
Seth just facebooked KMc says there has been no contact with James Beattie at all from the club and any talk of a transfer is non existent...........but hang on a minute didn't he say exactly the same when he left?.......
 
WalthamstowBlade said:
Peter Duffield has to be in with a shout.
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Don't think he ever missed did he ? Would be interesting to see stats if they exist, don't recall Andy Gray missing many, Colin Morris had a decent record if memory serves.

What I liked about BT was that he varied the kick every time.
 



Don't forget Dane Whitehouse.

And Mitch Ward had a cracking penalty on him too.
 
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