Jack Charlton is dead

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RIP Big Jack.

The song never made any sense whatsoever, but it was a catchy tune that was very popular back in the day. It's had it's time though so why not go with ...............

No pig fans in town,

We fucked 'em off to Owlerton,

This city is red,

Cos the pig fans have fled,

And the year is 1889.
 

Andy67 said:
The song was not ever to be literal because he clearly wasn’t dead. Like many chants ‘swinging a pig from Hyde park flats’ shouldn’t be seen as literal. This chants are just meant to show the weakness of in this instance our neighbours. To take all chants literally and object or act on them would take a very odd individual. All Forest fans aren’t ‘scabs’ neither literally in terms of a scab or in the sense of going into work when the union voted against them doing it, we can tag onto this that many of our fans won’t even know what a ‘scab’ is but they sing it to goad opposition fans. I love the song ‘Jack Charlton is dead’ but would be respectful of a minutes silence for the chap and his services to his country and football in general. If we were going to deconstruct every football chant and how it upsets someone there would be very few chants left to song. Thanks for everything Jack Charlton but you annoyed us and because you were good you were worthy of being made part of one our great songs, I’m sure he’d understand and even laugh about it.
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And Alan Brown never had an iron lung.
 
RIP BIG JACK he might have been the manager of that lot but you carnt take away he was a good manager . My memories Newcastle away pre season friendly geordies started shouting Charlton out blades fans joined in after the game the geordies were clapping our coaches instead of wanting to kick fuck out of us . Great character and what he did with Irealand was amazing
 
Ive booed him as a Leeds player and cursed him as owls manager.
But he was proper old school dubbing and lace up football at its best.
A great loss to football


And his Boro team beat wendies 8 -0
 
bladestrivia said:
RIP BIG JACK he might have been the manager of that lot but you carnt take away he was a good manager . My memories Newcastle away pre season friendly geordies started shouting Charlton out blades fans joined in after the game the geordies were clapping our coaches instead of wanting to kick fuck out of us . Great character and what he did with Irealand was amazing
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I am sure he got canned after that game ...
 
Sad day for football. Proper legend.

Every parks centre half wanted to play like wor Jack. Tough in the air and on the deck. 'Uncompromising' was a word made for him.

Rest IN Peace big fella.

pommpey
 
Andy67 said:
The song was not ever to be literal because he clearly wasn’t dead. Like many chants ‘swinging a pig from Hyde park flats’ shouldn’t be seen as literal. This chants are just meant to show the weakness of in this instance our neighbours.
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Sorry, but isn’t the song about 1889 being a great time?
  • “No pig fans in town” – because they’ve moved away from Bramall Lane
  • “No Hillsborough to sadden my eyes” – because it wasn’t built till ten years later
  • “Jack Charlton is dead” – sorry, what?
  • “And the pig fans have fled” – yes, already covered in the opening line
  • “And the year is 1889” – yes, making the Charlton line just...really odd.
I’m not really sure it’s even defensible with a contemporary eye. It made no sense when he was manager, made no sense since, and has now gone from being nonsense to a bit grim.
 
And pigs are not pigs but we still call them that. If you want to deconstruct a chant to show how unintelligible it is then don’t sing it. I bet your a barrel of laughs with jokes.
 

Andy67 said:
And pigs are not pigs but we still call them that. If you want to deconstruct a chant to show how unintelligible it is then don’t sing it. I bet your a barrel of laughs with jokes.
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I love jokes. Comedy closely follows football as one of my main interests – often the more obscure the better. I also love singing at a match. Pig fans is a nickname – no issue singing it in a song. The Charlton line though fails not just the sense test in its own song, but the humour test. And that was before today.
 
pommpey said:
Sad day for football. Proper legend.

Every parks centre half wanted to play like wor Jack. Tough in the air and on the deck. 'Uncompromising' was a word made for him.

Rest IN Peace big fella.

pommpey
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Helluva player, and could find row Z better than any centre half I`ve seen.
 
Champagneblade said:
Sorry I should explain. I get that he used to manage Wednesday and play for Revie's Leeds. I just thought it was odd quoting his demise when he was alive. Now he has passed it would be in particularly poor taste. You know how the other lot like to remind us how 'classy' they are. No need to give them a free hit and show ourselves as disrespectful.
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I guess the lyric means that he wasn't alive, but it's a weird one. Football chants are pretty tasteless in many ways. We should pro ably sing something else when fans get back in stadiums but I wouldn't hold your breath
 
I played against his lad in junior Sunday football and Jack would have a right go at him - his missus telling him to shut up. One of the most massive characters football has had and made a huge mark on Sheffield where his family grew up.
World Cup winners don’t grow on trees and the best footballing brotherhood in our country’s history.
As an Irish descendent I also recognise the role he played in relaxing and motivating them. I bet he was a right awkward b<%%€r to play against. I’ll ignore taking the ball to the corner flag as a tactic that we could have done without.
RIP Big Jack!
 
Had a great night with Jack and Mick McCarthy a few years ago in Rotherham.
Great tag team they were ! Proper gent and happy to talk to everyone. RIP and thank you from all proper football fans.
 
Regarding the song, yes it doesn't make sense, it's describing a utopian vision at that moment of the early 80s

A utopia where there are no pigs fans in town, no sty, no Jack Charlton (who was doing a good job with them) and the year being 1889 - the perfect year when we were born and no doubt the peak of Victorian British power ;)
 
MOTD just cocked up his eulogy at the start saying he managed us .. do your homework Lineker for fuck sake ... RIP Jack
 

ZoneManWilf said:
Regarding the song, yes it doesn't make sense, it's describing a utopian vision at that moment of the early 80s

A utopia where there are no pigs fans in town, no sty, no Jack Charlton (who was doing a good job with them) and the year being 1889 - the perfect year when we were born and no doubt the peak of Victorian British power ;)
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I like your take on it but don’t necessarily deconstruct chants1) I’m usually too pissed when I sing them 2) I’m enjoying myself too much to care👍
 
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