It will all slot into place.

[Slug]

Add Wallace and Scougall to yesterday's team, with Baxter as the "false No.9".

Abandon the Basham experiment. Play Higdon on the bench for Plan B if needed in the last 20 minutes of games.

Play Flynn on the right. Murphy on the left. Doyle holding midfield.

Abandon the McGahey experiment, play Basham (or Butler or Kennedy instead.)

Simple.

In addition McNulty, Reed, Campbell-Ryce will all grow into the season. Maybe re-sign Evans.

Where are you playing Ben Davies then?

 

[Lane Ender]

Basham will be an asset to this club make no mistake.

I can't understand why he's getting any stick at all , it's early days yet but from what I've seen he's got plenty of energy,makes himself available,gets the ball and gives isn't that what you want from a box to box midfielder .
I'm not sure what role Clough has now for Doyle he's never been my favourite but he had a great second half of last season.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

So in short, some on here said it needs some time, and some are saying "ah-ha we've had 4 games and we're not walking games yet".
If we are to get these "told you so" posts can we at least wait for a sensible 10 game period to elaspse first?

 

[blade too long]

Fail with a numerous of experiments you say

Lets be honest now,how many points would you have expected after the 4 games wev'e played.My guess was 7 points out of a possible 12,we have 6,so for me.

Getting 9 to 12 points was was a hard ask .Had we won 1 and drawn 3 and stayed unbeaten would we be happier now , despite having still only 6 points.
given birth to a new squad , was in an incubator to start but its breathing on its own now and will be toddling along nicely before we know it

 

[blader]

Getting 9 to 12 points was was a hard ask .Had we won 1 and drawn 3 and stayed unbeaten would we be happier now , despite having still only 6 points.
given birth to a new squad , was in an incubator to start but its breathing on its own now and will be toddling along nicely before we know it

I don't like this argument. It would only have value if we were the only team to have new players. Every team has added and lost players, but they seem to have started fine. Wolves got 16 points from their first 6 games last season. If we do need this bedding in period, how long is acceptable? If we say 10 games at an average of 1.5 points per game, we could easily be 10/12 points off the front runners already. I don't like it, pre-season is for 'bedding in' and everyone should be ready for game 1. On the other hand, maybe our team just isn't that good? God forbid I suggest that on her though!

 

[Deleted member 875]

I'm sorry but i hardly agree with anything on this thread.

Basham has been poor in every game i have seen him. McGahey looks slow and ponderous, and to be honest he looks an accident waiting to happen. Higdon looks slow and unfit.

I also thought yesterday at 1-0 we should have been trying to push for a second, and then a third to lay down a real marker. Crawley were poor i thought and we was too negative when we started faffing about keeping the ball in the corner flag with nearly 10 minutes left on the clock. In injury time we had a corner with a few seconds left where we tried keeping it corner which lead to Crawley breaking up the field and winning a corner themselves. With the greatest of respect to Crawley, we should be looking to paste teams like that. Not grind out a 1-0 win.

 

[UnitedBlade]

I'm much less worried now we have ground out two wins in a row.

This time last year Weir was about to embark on a 6 game losing streak and we were well on our way to L2. That appointment was a disaster of monstrous proportions.

Yes, we aren't playing that well yet and yes Nigel hasn't yet got his best team fit and sorted

For all the criticisms of yesterday's performance we had 4 glorious chances in the second half: Baxter's wonderful goal, Baxter's near miss a little later (I was directly in line with that and it would have been a great goal). Both Higdon and Davies should have side-footed home from 10 yards. On another day, chances like that will go in.

I'm hoping if we still look short in some areas come September, we recruit wisely in the loan market.

Personally, I wasn't expecting Top 2 this season but I think we have a great chance of top 6.

Long, long way to go yet.

 

[wizadry]

Getting 9 to 12 points was was a hard ask .Had we won 1 and drawn 3 and stayed unbeaten would we be happier now , despite having still only 6 points.
given birth to a new squad , was in an incubator to start but its breathing on its own now and will be toddling along nicely before we know it

Whats the relevance of this post to me blade too long ? I never said we would get near to 12 points,i'm not ecstatic with our points total,i am satisfied with it though,but unfortunately i can't speak for anyone else on the matter.

 

[Woodwardfan]

I'm sorry but i hardly agree with anything on this thread.

Basham has been poor in every game i have seen him. McGahey looks slow and ponderous, and to be honest he looks an accident waiting to happen. Higdon looks slow and unfit.

I also thought yesterday at 1-0 we should have been trying to push for a second, and then a third to lay down a real marker. Crawley were poor i thought and we was too negative when we started faffing about keeping the ball in the corner flag with nearly 10 minutes left on the clock. In injury time we had a corner with a few seconds left where we tried keeping it corner which lead to Crawley breaking up the field and winning a corner themselves. With the greatest of respect to Crawley, we should be looking to paste teams like that. Not grind out a 1-0 win.

Actually you fully agree with the OP.

 

[Woodwardfan]

I'm much less worried now we have ground out two wins in a row.

This time last year Weir was about to embark on a 6 game losing streak and we were well on our way to L2. That appointment was a disaster of monstrous proportions.

Yes, we aren't playing that well yet and yes Nigel hasn't yet got his best team fit and sorted

For all the criticisms of yesterday's performance we had 4 glorious chances in the second half: Baxter's wonderful goal, Baxter's near miss a little later (I was directly in line with that and it would have been a great goal). Both Higdon and Davies should have side-footed home from 10 yards. On another day, chances like that will go in.

I'm hoping if we still look short in some areas come September, we recruit wisely in the loan market.

Personally, I wasn't expecting Top 2 this season but I think we have a great chance of top 6.

Long, long way to go yet.

But our centre half should have been sent off in the first half - did nobody see that, or doesn't anybody want to admit it?

He hesitated going for a ball which was clearly his, then let the centre forward outpace him, then pulled him back, last man in the area too. Ref never saw it, but we all did, didn't we??

 

[wizadry]

Where are you playing Ben Davies then?

Not RB hopefully

 

[UnitedBlade]

But our centre half should have been sent off in the first half - did nobody see that, or doesn't anybody want to admit it?

Not sure what your comment has to do with the points I was making.

You obviously didn't see it clearly, it was outside the area and he wasn't the last man.

The ref didn't think it was a foul (I did by the way).

 

[JOEYDEE]

But our centre half should have been sent off in the first half - did nobody see that, or doesn't anybody want to admit it?

He hesitated going for a ball which was clearly his, then let the centre forward outpace him, then pulled him back, last man in the area too. Ref never saw it, but we all did, didn't we??

Nobody I know or have spoke to seen it ....

 

[JohnDenver]

Not sure what your comment has to do with the points I was making.

You obviously didn't see it clearly, it was outside the area and he wasn't the last man.

The ref didn't think it was a foul (I did by the way).

I thought foul+red. We certainly had our luck yesterday.

HM2 is clearly a great prospect but he doesn't look sufficiently outstanding to base a promotion push on. But then he'll only improve by playing games - that's the gamble.

 

[Woodwardfan]

Not sure what your comment has to do with the points I was making.

You obviously didn't see it clearly, it was outside the area and he wasn't the last man.

The ref didn't think it was a foul (I did by the way).

Not sure you need me to spell this out really, but the points you were making about chances we had, might have been academic if we had gone down to 10 men after 25 minutes or so.

We were bad enough with 11 men surely.

He was certainly last man.

 

[LSF]

Yep, certainly saw that incident and our first thoughts were red card. Quite pleasantly surprised when the ref strolled away unperturbed. Definitely a fortunate decision and pivotal moment for us.
The good thing is we went on to produce a shite performance and won!

 

[blade too long]

Whats the relevance of this post to me blade too long ? I never said we would get near to 12 points,i'm not ecstatic with our points total,i am satisfied with it though,but unfortunately i can't speak for anyone else on the matter.

I WAS AGREEING WITH YOU WAS A DIFFICULT START 6 TO 9 POINTS WAS ALL WE COULD HAVE EXPECTED

 

[wizadry]

I WAS AGREEING WITH YOU WAS A DIFFICULT START 6 TO 9 POINTS WAS ALL WE COULD HAVE EXPECTED

Sorry mate,i thought thats what the like button is for.

 

[Darthblade]

But our centre half should have been sent off in the first half - did nobody see that, or doesn't anybody want to admit it?

He hesitated going for a ball which was clearly his, then let the centre forward outpace him, then pulled him back, last man in the area too. Ref never saw it, but we all did, didn't we??

Didn't see it as a foul or a red card and compare it with any of the recent penalty appeals we have had turned down ( except davies vs Bristol c ) and it was a nothing incident
UTB & FTP

 

[beatific blade]

I have to say that McGahey looks really, really unsure of himself. Collins was constantly re-positioning him on Saturday.

Fair enough, he looks decent when actually defending but his reading of the game and his positional sense is dodgy to say the least. With all the supposed promise about him I was expecting more assurance in his demeanour and confidence. If you watch at a dead ball situation, he tends not to take responsibility for himself but wave a lazy finger at random players to look busy.

Hit me hard if you think my comments are unwarranted - I totally understand it's early days and he is young - but my early thoughts are that if he is being picked in the first XI then he should be better than this.

Still looking forward to seeing him grow into himself and I think when he matures a little, he'll be a great defender.

 

[Lane Ender]

I have to say that McGahey looks really, really unsure of himself. Collins was constantly re-positioning him on Saturday.

Fair enough, he looks decent when actually defending but his reading of the game and his positional sense is dodgy to say the least. With all the supposed promise about him I was expecting more assurance in his demeanour and confidence. If you watch at a dead ball situation, he tends not to take responsibility for himself but wave a lazy finger at random players to look busy.

Hit me hard if you think my comments are unwarranted - I totally understand it's early days and he is young - but my early thoughts are that if he is being picked in the first XI then he should be better than this.

Still looking forward to seeing him grow into himself and I think when he matures a little, he'll be a great defender.

I too noticed that and you are right but the lad is a real talent and he will need Butler or Collins their for guidance

 

[Woodwardfan]

" I'm sorry but "real talents" don't arrive at clubs like ours from clubs like Blackpool, where he hardly played anyway. Comparing him to Maguire when Harry made his debut and thereafter, he's a street and a bit away from his standard.

Same with Basham, unremarkable playing record, must have had a lot of injuries, 117 games since 2006 that's all.

I think there is a lot of desperation and poetic licence being exercised. Believe your own eyes not the rhetoric.

Kennedy has more nous than this raw lad.

 

[Lane Ender]

" I'm sorry but "real talents" don't arrive at clubs like ours from clubs like Blackpool, where he hardly played anyway. Comparing him to Maguire when Harry made his debut and thereafter, he's a street and a bit away from his standard.

Same with Basham, unremarkable playing record, must have had a lot of injuries, 117 games since 2006 that's all.

I think there is a lot of desperation and poetic licence being exercised. Believe your own eyes not the rhetoric.

Don't forget we've been in league 1 a while now Blackpool have been mainly in the championship and a season in the prem

 

[bornablade]

In 1970/71 season after the first 5 matches we had 4 points (5 points in new money). We were 4th from bottom. Our third season in the second tier - if there had been internet in those days this forum would have been in meltdown.

In January 1971 (well before anyone had devised the January transfer window) our manager John Harris entered the transfer market made a few signings and it all slotted into place.

Nigel Clough will prove to be our best manager since John Harris and I'll predict here we will achieve promotion this season. Trust the guy and watch everything slot into place.

 

[Woodwardfan]

McGahey has just played 120 minutes v a second string West Ham team - that cannot be bad with only one goal against, in fact I'm amazed, and well pleased. All credit to the lad.

 

[BeatleBlade]

I take back all of my panic over Clough after two games. He seems to know what he's doing despite the shaky start and we could quite easily have 8 points right now although 6 is probably fair.

 

[Pinchy]

McGahey has just played 120 minutes v a second string West Ham team - that cannot be bad with only one goal against, in fact I'm amazed, and well pleased. All credit to the lad.

Better than that, Woody.

The lad can actually fly!!!



McGahey is Supernan!

 

[Woodwardfan]

Just watched the highlights nd notice he didn't get within a yard of their goalscorer for a long high ball into the box. Not good enough but no further goals against is commendable.

 

[Woodwardfan]

Add Wallace and Scougall to yesterday's team, with Baxter as the "false No.9".

Abandon the Basham experiment. Play Higdon on the bench for Plan B if needed in the last 20 minutes of games.

Play Flynn on the right. Murphy on the left. Doyle holding midfield.

Abandon the McGahey experiment, play Basham (or Butler or Kennedy instead.)

Simple.

In addition McNulty, Reed, Campbell-Ryce will all grow into the season. Maybe re-sign Evans.

Good to look back at threads sometimes. Amazing OP! That's not to say we would have been 6or7 points better off if Clough had got there quicker, life at the club is not as simple as that.

McGahey was excellent yesterday! He's a top player in the making and you want to abandon him? You propose instead a Kennedy experiment? He's not going to make it at The Lane, mate.

A "holding" midfielder is not mandatory. Two who can get up and down, play a bit, pass the ball accurately and press the ball when not in possession are much the better bet. Midfielder - the clue is in the appellation.

I'm afraid some of us have lost contact with the real game. It's played on grass. There are no superimposed lines or circles when you have the ball.


In addition McNulty, Reed, Campbell-Ryce will all grow into the season. Maybe re-sign Evans.

McGahey was excellent yesterday! He's a top player in the making and you want to abandon him? You propose instead a Kennedy experiment? He's not going to make it at The Lane, mate.


Reality check maybe Punchy! Kennedy might t get there soon too !

Reality check maybe Punchy. Kennedy soon perhaps.