Is the way forwards via the DVS ?

[Trigger Blade]

There's irony, you using the argument that we need to move because our current ground wouldn't be big enough if we get promoted twice!

 

[Sharrowblade]

Its all coming clear now:

1. Get rid of the current players
2. Get rid of the board
3. Get rid of the Academy
4. Get rid of Bramall Lane
5. Move to DVS
6. Merge with the pork

I'm going for a lie down, will the last person at Bramall Lane please turn off the floodlights

 

[KenMcnaughtsNuts]

its a shitoil. could build a better stadium with a lego set.

 

[Selly]

Jesus, no, Metalblade. That place is looks damned awful and did do when Toytown played there. How the hell do you get that lovely 'closed in' feeling? We spent long enough being ridiculed for having a three sided ground, why go back? Why take United out of Sheffield?

Whilst I don`t agree with the idea per se, metal cleary isn't suggesting (I don`t think anyway) that the running track stays...

Move the pitch closer to the main stand, paint the steelwork red and it would look great, that would keep most of the League One crowd under cover while we build new stands on the other three sides. Enough room to hold 60,000 eventually.

 

[blade too long]

That is the point there is no space at the lane, can't make the Bramall lane or John St stands any bigger and not much scope for the South stand now McCabe's hotel is directly behind one corner. How long before other developments restrict any improvements for the kop ? Should we ever get back to the top tier of the game a 32,000 ground capacity will not be good enough to sustain us for long.

the world cup plans , double tiering the south stand and rebuilding the kop gave us 42000 capacity , just rebuilding the kop takes us to 37000 , that will be plenty in our lifetime

 

[Balham]

the world cup plans , double tiering the south stand and rebuilding the kop gave us 42000 capacity , just rebuilding the kop takes us to 37000 , that will be plenty in our lifetime

The fundamental flaw in that plan is that it leaves the pitch in its current position. To make the most of the Bramall Lane site, the pitch should be rotated through 90 degrees allowing the Bramall Lane end to be expanded east. That, however, would need the south stand to be demolished and completely rebuilt from the ground up and isn't going to happen while I'm alive.

 

[blade too long]

too radical , plus if we get to 42000 which the above accomodates easily then do we need more , Ive only attended 2 45000 gates at the lane in 50 years, both when it was standing and under a fiver

 

[UnitedBlade]

too radical , plus if we get to 42000 which the above accomodates easily then do we need more , Ive only attended 2 45000 gates at the lane in 50 years, both when it was standing and under a fiver

Same here. And as you say we could easily expand to 37k.

Once you get to the PL, the main increase in revenue is TV money. PL football has been a TV sport for years and years. Unless we suddenly adopt the German model, 30k SUFC fans will not attend regularly at current prices. Safe standing is the only other factor that could increase crowds significantly.

There is absolutely no need to move from the Lane.

If we do move I won't be moving with them.

 

[metalblade]

This thread clearly illustrates the small time thinking of the club has percolated down to the fan base, e.g. we will never need more than 42k capacity, I would suggest if we were top half of the premiership on a regular basis hoping to get into Europe then we would need more than 42k capacity.
Still keep thinkin small and aim low eh it's the Blades way, leave it up to the pigs to think big and develope the team and the sty to play in front of 50,000 + if it were up to some of you lot we would still be in a 3 sided ground stood up and walking round in piss from the overflowing Gents.

 

[Dog Blade]

Replace small time thinking for realism maybe?

You can have my season ticket IF we ever move to Don Valley, and there's plenty of if's in this thread.

Can I suggest that if we are in the top half of the Prem and winning The Champions League every year then we may well need more than 50k +

I vote we buy S13, knock everything down and build an 80k stadium with a massive club shop and museum.

 

[blade too long]

you really think DVS is big time thinking then , a ground amid the citys knocking shops serviced by 2 antiquated pubs pubs in an area of mid size industrial usage, ask a Millers fan what they thought the forward thinking "package "brought them.
The chances of us needing a 40000 capacity in the next 5 seasons are slim, at best, we didnt sell out every game in our last prem assault so a 45-50000 soul less badly situated stadium is not high on the list, and why would we want 3 sides again ( unneccessary abuse) when we are advocating 2 new 2 tier stands taking us to 43/44 0000 which would adequately suffice us, in any of our lifetimes, just to clear the present mound that is the kop to release a massive under twin tier new kop would give us masses of space

 

[blade too long]

If you want something radical , we could at the bramall lane end do what Atletico Madrid have done at the Vincente Calderon , I was there this season for the Madrid derby and didnt realise the main road I drove in on was under the stand



Nothing stopping us straddling Bramall Lane

 

[vorpal blade]

ENOUGH!

This is a non-argument. The Bramall Lane stadium improvements incorporated in the scheme that has planning permission already has a capacity of 44 500.

So what is all this nonsense? I agree with the correspondent above. It is FAR nicer to be able to amble up from the railway station, take in some shops, bump into some folk and have a drink in whichever of the 30 odd proper pubs that I fancy ALL within half a mile of the ground and maybe go to the Graves art gallery while I'm at it.

I don't want Meadowhall as part of my " Matchday Experience"© thanks...I am against the suburbanisation of everything, you end up with a town without a 'town-centre', and that is crap.

 

[TonyWarnock]

This is why we should NEVER move from Bramall Lane...

http://www.stadiumguide.com/bramalllane/

 

[vorpal blade]

and aye, I suggested (as an architect working for K.McCabe in 1996) exactly that if more capacity was needed. if we really needed to, we could go over Bramall Lane. But there are problems with that vis-a-vis the council's plans for the width of the street.

Bramall Lane has been very badly planned (since my time), but it is very valuable in its proper place. Another way of making the stadium bigger is to move the John Street Stand a lot nearer the South Stand, it could then be built higher. But that wasn't even needed in the current proposal.

The club btw should have bought up the houses on John St. years ago to allow for a taller stand, I suggested that too!

But like I say, the current stadium can be made as big as you want, who ever started this thread, its not even hard.

 

[blade too long]

the vincente calderon has 5 lanes of traffic and 2 wide pedestrian walkways under it , and more than the maximum height for mototorway bridges, and has red and white striped seating , lovely

 

[vorpal blade]

Why don't we move there? better food too!

 

[vorpal blade]

The Council had intended way back from the 1960s to broaden Bramall Lane, that is why it is blighted by demolished sites, undeveloped except for some used car-lots. Thankfully for some reason they never could get their hands on the Pubs, which if you think about it are the only buildings left on t'other side of Bramall Lane.

Knowing the utter stupidity and s-for-brains stubbornness of town councils and their traffic engineers, they probably still want to broaden the road, not having noticed how much their ring-road has already wrecked the town.
I mean the bottom end of the Moor is SO attractive to shop in now they have blocked it off isn't it?

 

[raul]

the vincente calderon has 5 lanes of traffic and 2 wide pedestrian walkways under it , and more than the maximum height for mototorway bridges, and has red and white striped seating , lovely

You've missed the bit out about it being a crumbling rust bucket and that Atleti are moving out soon though....

But I love it too, have that same pic up on my office wall.

 

[metalblade]

Everyone is forgetting we no longer own Bramall lane or the Academy, and while I agree we could build over Bramall lane Sheffield Council have historically never been helpful to the club in the red half of the city.

 

[BornOnShorehamStreet]

That is the point there is no space at the lane, can't make the Bramall lane or John St stands any bigger and not much scope for the South stand now McCabe's hotel is directly behind one corner. How long before other developments restrict any improvements for the kop ? Should we ever get back to the top tier of the game a 32,000 ground capacity will not be good enough to sustain us for long.

There's bags of room, metal - just needs the will. If we were regulars in the Prem there'd be room

 

[BornOnShorehamStreet]

If you want something radical , we could at the bramall lane end do what Atletico Madrid have done at the Vincente Calderon , I was there this season for the Madrid derby and didnt realise the main road I drove in on was under the stand

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Nothing stopping us straddling Bramall Lane

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That would have to be the new Kop

 

[shorehamview]

Don Valley Stadium? We may as well relocate to the Crucible - we'd get a capacity crowd, and be a lot closer to the action than at DVS. Plus the seats are comfy, and we could have a bit of Macbeth at half time.

Madness maybe, but it makes more sense than moving to DVS, which will be flattened next year anyway.

DVS? May as well move into DFS.

 

[madeinsheffield]

But it won't even be half full this coming season

 

[KenMcnaughtsNuts]

As if we will ever need a 50,000 stadium.

Give it 20 years and 90% of the city's population will be Chinese students, drug addicts and refugees from assorted nations who aren't all that interested in all this soccerball malarky.

All the rich and beautiful will have gone to live on Pluto to avoid drinking the toxic water and everybody else will be too poor to buy a pork pie from the crumbling eyesore of a "new" market nevermind the £10,000 season tickets to watch us play in the European Super League brought to you by Playstation 12 and Kelloggs Choco-teethrotters F Division against Sporting Helsinki. And McCabe will still be in charge and talking about cutting our cloth accordingly, maximising our product through properly maintained fiscal projections and how much he likes having a pint of beer with his homies in Handsworth before getting the first flight out of this shithole before he catches lice off the unclean masses.

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

That is the point there is no space at the lane, can't make the Bramall lane or John St stands any bigger and not much scope for the South stand now McCabe's hotel is directly behind one corner. How long before other developments restrict any improvements for the kop ? Should we ever get back to the top tier of the game a 32,000 ground capacity will not be good enough to sustain us for long.

Gate receipts don't keep the top flight clubs going; it's Sky money that calls the shots.

 

[sitwell]

Maybe we should copy this bargain at 128 million. Although one of the names put forward is 'The Sphincter'

It has a twisty roof that closes but doesn't that indicate it would be full of shit ?

 

[vorpal blade]

This was what was proposed in 1996. Subsequent development hasn't been so, erm, 'integrated' (I won't say what I really think of it, but I was ousted by other architects) Note the improved access to the south stand and the enlarged concourse, making the bars under that stand actually, comfortable. The curly thing in the foreground was the hotel, (the shape was just notional) In this proposal it had to abut the stadium as there were to be rooms with a view of the pitch but that proved impossible for regulations reasons. Got to say that eventually building a hotel that joins the stadium while not having a view of the pitch was a sub-optimal solution. It just gets in the way in terms of pedestrian circulation AND further development of the stadium.

 

[vorpal blade]

 

[JohnDenver]

All the rich and beautiful will have gone to live on Pluto

See you there old chap.