Investment update!

[Bladesway]

Compared to the money coming in from transfers we have spent nowt, nothing, not a bean. £2m in on my estimation (thats in fees and not counting wages) and £350k spent on Nosworthy.

Simmo and Britton were freebies and I am guessing that wages wise they were cash neutral to the Billy and Paddy leaving along with the host of freebies that shuffled away start of season. Imagine how much we saved with Naysmiths wages alone.

Cash in the bank is far greater once more than cash into the first team. I don't want big name signings, I would just like to see some form of evolution and progression for the first time since we got promoted to the Premiership. The golden opportunity went up in smoke the day we got relegated and while we spent big on BT and his kind we reverted to old United again as soon as KM's arsehole started twitching like a rabbits nose that season and he binned Robson off. Big pay off for Robson (who KM employed), he got CAC in who he sacked less than 5 games into a new season. No one see where the problem has been lying here? Our chairman is the last man on Gods Green Earth who should be hiring managers.

Its not important how much we spend, its what we spend it on. Right now we have the slowest front line since Tortoise United won the cup back in 1243. Thats not a front 2 that will get you goals, Cresswell on the wing isn't going to pull any trees up and the only winger we have is a forward played out of position (Ward) with frayed string for legs. We have a workmanlike midfield (although I think LB will be a star for us) and a defence that can't make its mind up whether it is tight as a nuns (Derby) or flapping around like a clowns pocket (QPR, Scunthorpe).

Keepers prone to the odd one as well although I think he was a good signing. In short, we must do better to go anywhere. Oh and our start to the season hasn't exactly been tough has it? Be warned, trouble ahead unless we sign some decent players.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Compared to the money coming in from transfers we have spent nowt, nothing, not a bean. £2m in on my estimation (thats in fees and not counting wages) and £350k spent on Nosworthy.

Simmo and Britton were freebies and I am guessing that wages wise they were cash neutral to the Billy and Paddy leaving along with the host of freebies that shuffled away start of season. Imagine how much we saved with Naysmiths wages alone.

Cash in the bank is far greater once more than cash into the first team. I don't want big name signings, I would just like to see some form of evolution and progression for the first time since we got promoted to the Premiership. The golden opportunity went up in smoke the day we got relegated and while we spent big on BT and his kind we reverted to old United again as soon as KM's arsehole started twitching like a rabbits nose that season and he binned Robson off. Big pay off for Robson (who KM employed), he got CAC in who he sacked less than 5 games into a new season. No one see where the problem has been lying here? Our chairman is the last man on Gods Green Earth who should be hiring managers.

Its not important how much we spend, its what we spend it on. Right now we have the slowest front line since Tortoise United won the cup back in 1243. Thats not a front 2 that will get you goals, Cresswell on the wing isn't going to pull any trees up and the only winger we have is a forward played out of position (Ward) with frayed string for legs. We have a workmanlike midfield (although I think LB will be a star for us) and a defence that can't make its mind up whether it is tight as a nuns (Derby) or flapping around like a clowns pocket (QPR, Scunthorpe).

Keepers prone to the odd one as well although I think he was a good signing. In short, we must do better to go anywhere. Oh and our start to the season hasn't exactly been tough has it? Be warned, trouble ahead unless we sign some decent players.

You are totally missing the point. Our wage bill had to be reduced from £14 Million because we can only afford £6-9 Million therefore the likes of Naysmith were always unlikely to resign.

Simmo and Britton weren't free they had large signing on fees which certainly would of gotten close to your £2 Million. When the account come out you need to have a look and see if there is a big round zero in that column.

 

[DP8789]

thousands of small investors in the Blades got stuffed just my humble opinion of course........... what mug wud invest a substantial amount in the Blades without overall contol i ask ?

its a potential investors ideal situation is it not? invest a little, purely on squad relations (players,wages,staff,facilities) and if it works and we do something (go up) then he can make a decision on investing a bit more, for more share and so on.

why would you go all hog and take that risk in this climate i ask?

 

[Kenilworth]

would have Bob, would have tut, tut.

"gotten" is a word popularised by those chumps across the Atlantic who believe that a Fanny is for sitting on and probably only 50% of them would put a Fag in their mouth. OK maybe more than half.

Their wear their pants as outer garments (because they all think they are super heroes) and their version of Football is so far from the original they have to use an alternative word that suggest your feet are cold.

We use rubbers to correct mistakes and they use them to avoid one.

 

[Ted Danson]

would have Bob, would have tut, tut.

"gotten" is a word popularised by those chumps across the Atlantic who believe that a Fanny is for sitting on and probably only 50% of them would put a Fag in their mouth. OK maybe more than half.

Their wear their pants as outer garments (because they all think they are super heroes) and their version of Football is so far from the original they have to use an alternative word that suggest your feet are cold.

We use rubbers to correct mistakes and they use them to avoid one.

Come on if your going to get all pedantic atleast check your own post

 

[lenners]

You are totally missing the point. Our wage bill had to be reduced from £14 Million because we can only afford £6-9 Million therefore the likes of Naysmith were always unlikely to resign.

Simmo and Britton weren't free they had large signing on fees which certainly would of gotten close to your £2 Million. When the account come out you need to have a look and see if there is a big round zero in that column.

Any signing on fees may well not feature in the accounts because of when they were signed but even if they do as a post annual account event it would be remarkable if we've paid close to £2m to Simmo and Britton. That would be the same as we received for Paddy and Sharp in transfer fees.

 

[Jon Bon]

Hmmmm, hardly an announcement of brobdingnagian proportions. What is interesting though is this bit - "Kevin (McCabe) is on record as saying any investment will be directed straight into the first-team rather than repaying any monies invested by him." - which is the nearest they've ever come to admitting where the Tevez money and other income streams disappeared/disappears to. Sure, we all 'knew' all along but I can't ever recall the club saying where it was going, just where it wasn't going i.e. team strengthening.

Still, all donations greatly received, as long as it's spent properly and wisely on the playing side and doesn't end up in KMC's vault.

 

[broomhillblade]

Good low key approach to this it appears. Sensible management it seems.

Let's trust that TB will not be going onto Radio Chuff and blurt out false promises of major funds coming in in contrast to some lardy arsed porker from S6 who we all know has done so in the past.

Extremely low key, with a lot of provisos. Makes you wonder why they said anything at this stage, unless it is to forestall leaks in the press which might muddy the waters.

Also one in the eye for those fans who believe every rumour and claim that the club keeps them in the dark.

 

[DuncDisorderly]

Hmmmm, hardly an announcement of brobdingnagian proportions.

10 points for the use of the word 'Brobdingnagian', meaning of collosal size.
-5 points for not capitalising it.
-20 points for being a smart arse.

 

[raul]

Raul's bottled Bob's offer and given it legs

Bring your mates and bring your dinner Euge.....





















...that'll be just dinner then. x

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

Hmmmm, hardly an announcement of brobdingnagian proportions. What is interesting though is this bit - "Kevin (McCabe) is on record as saying any investment will be directed straight into the first-team rather than repaying any monies invested by him." - which is the nearest they've ever come to admitting where the Tevez money and other income streams disappeared/disappears to. Sure, we all 'knew' all along but I can't ever recall the club saying where it was going, just where it wasn't going i.e. team strengthening.

Still, all donations greatly received, as long as it's spent properly and wisely on the playing side and doesn't end up in KMC's vault.

Old ground but it was always in the accounts. The loan/s made by McC were to be repaid in one of two ways and the club were in the driving seat to decide which way - either in cash or as shares.

Big stumbling block was that it was Mcc was also he person at SUFC making the decision on which option to take, guess what? He took the cash instead of shares so effectivally he's put fuck all in just left a big debt ring fenched around his back pocket.

 

[beightonblade]

McCabe has the Blades stitched up like a kipper.......good job he's a Blade !

He wouldn't stuff us wud he ?

 

[Toronto Blade]

September first the story first broke saying more news later in the month ,good for the club they updated today with a new time frame.

 

[Jon Bon]

10 points for the use of the word 'Brobdingnagian', meaning of collosal size.
-5 points for not capitalising it.
-20 points for being a smart arse.

Only the true messiah of smart arses would pick up on that. -50 points Dunc...!

 

[Bladesway]

You are totally missing the point. Our wage bill had to be reduced from £14 Million because we can only afford £6-9 Million therefore the likes of Naysmith were always unlikely to resign.

Simmo and Britton weren't free they had large signing on fees which certainly would of gotten close to your £2 Million. When the account come out you need to have a look and see if there is a big round zero in that column.

No I am not, I just don't agree with your point hence you think its not valid. In a vain attempt to make your point seem higher and mightier than mine you undermine it using made up figures. If we have paid close to that £2m in signing on fees I'll eat my hat. Stop changing facts just to suit your argument. We didn't pay a fee for these players and yet we recouped in excess of £2m for Paddy & Billy. We also lost Naysmith off the wages along with the FREE agrents that left us.

If we want to roll more facts out we have recouped many millions this last couple of years as well as trimming the wage bill. With that in mind lets add on the reported £5m per year West Ham are paying us at the moment and drop in the parachute payments from the Premierhship that paid for the large wage bill we previously had. I don't need to go see the accounts when they come out. I can't be arsed, I know enough to see that McCabe is all smoke and mirrors and thus so are SUFC. But so long as there are enough people pretending its all done with in our best interests then thats fine. Makes you wonder why we aren't getting 25k per week any longer and we have to prop the crowds up with offers even at this stage of the season.

In my opinion (and thats the important bit to me) the thing stinks from top to bottom. You will struggle to get me away from that no matter how you monkey with the signing on fees or anything else.

 

[Highbury_Blade]

Don't forget the 15m net profit blackwell made on selling players either

 

[Bladesway]

Don't forget the 15m net profit blackwell made on selling players either

All banked my good man

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

No I am not, I just don't agree with your point hence you think its not valid. In a vain attempt to make your point seem higher and mightier than mine you undermine it using made up figures. If we have paid close to that £2m in signing on fees I'll eat my hat. Stop changing facts just to suit your argument. We didn't pay a fee for these players and yet we recouped in excess of £2m for Paddy & Billy. We also lost Naysmith off the wages along with the FREE agrents that left us.

If we want to roll more facts out we have recouped many millions this last couple of years as well as trimming the wage bill. With that in mind lets add on the reported £5m per year West Ham are paying us at the moment and drop in the parachute payments from the Premierhship that paid for the large wage bill we previously had. I don't need to go see the accounts when they come out. I can't be arsed, I know enough to see that McCabe is all smoke and mirrors and thus so are SUFC. But so long as there are enough people pretending its all done with in our best interests then thats fine. Makes you wonder why we aren't getting 25k per week any longer and we have to prop the crowds up with offers even at this stage of the season.

In my opinion (and thats the important bit to me) the thing stinks from top to bottom. You will struggle to get me away from that no matter how you monkey with the signing on fees or anything else.

So what you are saying is that it is ok for you to guess at figures for Paddy and Billy and yet I'm not allowed to mention the signing on fees. I'm not changing facts, it just that you don't have anything to argue against them. I've given you what I believe to be accurate information, if you disagree try and pull them apart, rather than your fingers in your ears la a la al I can't here you, I'm right and you're wrong argument. Surely you would like to be convinced otherwise, or is it more important to be right?

You refusing to look at the obvious facts that we can only sustain a £6-9 Million wage bill with our current turnover and yet last seasons was over £14 Million. The season before it was close to £15 Million. I'm sure that £5-6 Million shortfall per year is just covered elsewhere magically.

You talk about the West Ham money but what do you think sustained this shortfall or supported the £20 Million plus wage bill in our first 2 and a bit seasons following relegation? What supported those, the parachute payments?

Last season we had a £14 Million wage bill which had to be trimmed down so that we could cover it with our income. Naysmith on £17K a week was a no brainer but that would only bring it down by 900K where would you get the other reductions from to bring it in line? If you don't bring it in line what are you going to do to cover it?

Finally the fact that you think Simmo and Britton didn't command large signing on fees just shows your lack of understanding of these matters. Do you really think they were going to turn down Premiership offers in order for the honour to play for Sheffield United?

You don't want to look at the figures next year for these signings because you know they will prove you wrong, but we have spent more than £2 Million in this close season on new players. That's not a guess its a fact, why not turn up to the next meet the manager/fans forum and ask the question yourself. The combined signing on fee's for Britton, Ertl, Simmonsen, Bogdanovic plus loan fees for Bartley and Nos would of been considerably more than a bean. I'll refer you to your original comment;

Compared to the money coming in from transfers we have spent nowt, nothing, not a bean.

That is quite obviously bollocks. 6 players in none of which wanted anything other than wages, your weak argument isn't standing up too well to scrutiny.

Don't forget the 15m net profit blackwell made on selling players either

A handy bit of number work there that our ex-manager has been peddling. Ignoring loan fees, and the inflated wage bill which he was allowed for 2 seasons in which he failed.
Why do people talk about transfer fees, wage bills and loan fees as separate pots, they all need to balance.
I'd love to see that £15 Million actually broken down, I'd bet when real fees such as loans and the inflated wage bill within which he was allowed to work were taken into account that profit isn't quite so healthy.

 

[Finance Blade]

Good posts Bob. You show a better understanding of whats going on at the club than most on here.

 

[raul]

Anyone remember the names of those two full-backs we sold.....Kale or something...??

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Anyone remember the names of those two full-backs we sold.....Kale or something...??

For £9 Million, not a bad piece of business especially when you have books to balance after another failed season by the well supported manager.

Did anyone think that we might have got a good deal for Naughton after watching the Arsenal game midweek? I'd love him to come back at the end of the season (isn't his contract up) but £5-6 Million was a stupid amount for him.

Good posts Bob. You show a better understanding of whats going on at the club than most on here.

Thanks although I wouldn't necessarily agree. I just like to keep a common-sense approach and don't think all our board members our out to ruin the club while filling their own pockets.

 

[Micalijo]

Anyone remember the names of those two full-backs we sold.....Kale or something...??

Please no Raul, please god no. I can't take any more talk from Bob about Walker deserving to be dropped.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Please no Raul, please god no. I can't take any more talk from Bob about Walker deserving to be dropped.

It wasn't just me who suggested a game on the bench might do him some good, then again he's had plenty of practice at that since he was recalled because he did so well for us.
Spurs are so desperate to have him back he didn't even make the Spurs bench for the reserve team put out against Arsenal.

 

[raul]

Looks like he hates Naughton now too Mic.......

 

[Revolution]

Spurs are so desperate to have him back he didn't even make the Spurs bench for the reserve team put out against Arsenal.

That might be because he's on loan at QPR...

 

[Micalijo]

It wasn't just me who suggested a game on the bench might do him some good, then again he's had plenty of practice at that since he was recalled because he did so well for us.
Spurs are so desperate to have him back he didn't even make the Spurs bench for the reserve team put out against Arsenal.

The fact that Walker has hardly played for Spurs is totally irrelevant in terms of his value to SUFC. He was one of best young players I have ever seen in the second tier and it really is as simple as that and the club basically gave up when it sold him. He's at QPR now isn't he, in a proper side under a proper manager? How could he have played for Spurs this midweek?

 

[Tuns]

"The club basically gave it up when it sold him"

And so did a fair few fans.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Looks like he hates Naughton now too Mic.......

LOL you shouldn't wind up the natives they take you seriously.

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Spurs are so desperate to have him back he didn't even make the Spurs bench for the reserve team put out against Arsenal.

That might be because he's on loan at QPR...

Good point Rev.

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

The fact that Walker has hardly played for Spurs is totally irrelevant in terms of his value to SUFC. He was one of best young players I have ever seen in the second tier and it really is as simple as that and the club basically gave up when it sold him. He's at QPR now isn't he, in a proper side under a proper manager? How could he have played for Spurs this midweek?

Warnock's record with kids isn't the best. OK, he gave the likes of Jags a chance (and Moses at Palace) but in both cases he had little option. As soon as he had a bit of cash to spend, he would always bring an experienced pro in ahead of giving a kid a chance.

 

[JohnDenver]

Warnock's record with kids isn't the best.

I've heard a rumour that Amy and William have handed in a transfer request...