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is this still the case? Because I for one have lost faith in his management. Cup runs mean nothing if the league form is so poor. We are 10 points off the nearest team above us having produced another shite performance today and lost to another awful side in this shocking league. This season was here for the taking and that is shown by not one of the relegated clubs being in the top 6. His signings have been below average and his tactic show him to be clueless he thinks we have play like the top teams with this 4-5-1 formation or as Ted Emsley recently put it 4-1-mush. Players out of position McNulty again on the bench after Clough said he wanted to try him up top with O'Grady, if he is fit enough for the bench he is fit enough to last a half and by then we should be comfortably ahead against poor sides.

As for the promotion forget it unless he goes and someone new is given a lot of Money to spend, playoffs are also a doubt the way we are playing and a team always has a run to get in which would leave one spot left. Anything other than win Sunday and he may be looking over his shoulder if the board has the bollocks, which I doubt they have. I don't like chopping and changing managers and I thought Clough was the man to get us out but his tactics and signings seem to have proved me wrong.

It's not good enough nige get a grip because I think your losing the fans.
 



Our board have a very effective method of consistently making the manager the fall-guy, whilst getting off scot-free. As long as they are timely and sensible with the right statements, people swallow it up and all blame is pushed on to the management when we inevitably fail. We have finished lower every season for the last 5 seasons, and fans really need to start asking themselves why this might be.

I think many need to distinguish between the 'club' and the 'squad' underachieving. Nigel has assembled a squad on freebies and bargains, yet some convinced themselves he was 'treating the money as his own; or whatever bullshit reasons they made up. No manager in the world refuses to spend money that's given to them, as they would need to be sectioned as a results. Everyone knows money = success in football, and if Nigel isn't provided with the 'GAME CHANGING INVESTMENT' (I still cringe every time I see/hear that phrase) then how can he be expected to change the game?

I'm a fan of Clough and am still 100% behind him as a capable football manager, or at the very least, the best manager we are able to attract. Sadly, the board have let us down again, not in failing to provide funds, but in taking us for chumps and trying to bullshit their way through another season of false promises. Clough gave the board a list of players he wanted, the club did not deliver these players, so he has been routing around in the bins and down the back of the sofa to see what he could muster. That is not his fault, and this should be recognised before everyone jumps on his back.

I'm not saying he's free of all blame, but is not the primary source of our consistent downfall over the past few years. I and several others have been accused of being 'doom merchants' or 'pessimists' but the evidence is coming wider and wider that actually we are realists and the squad is not good enough for automatic promotion. Do you seriously believe Steve Cotterill, Mark Cooper, Karl Robinson and Simon Grayson are all far superior managers to Nigel Clough? I absolutely do not. Particularly Cotterill, who is a serial failure, is proving that a manager is only as good as his players. How has he signed better players, I hear you ask? Well, I'll point you in the direction of the transfer fees and negative net-spend to explain that one.

One major conclusion we can all take from our current plight, is that SOMETHING has to change. Whether it is the board, the management or an overhaul of the playing staff, the current combination of three is nowhere near good enough. It's horrible to endure and to watch on a weekly basis, we can all agree. Automatic promotion is gone for this season, and barring a playoff miracle, we will be spending our 5th consecutive season in the third tier next year. The only thing I know for certain is that I will be saving myself £300 next season, as the current state of the club is offering me zero inspiration to renew my season ticket.
 
Make no mistake, there may be other people at fault, but ourmanagr deserves a good chunk of the blame.

Our first half football is, quite simply, wank. We've apologised enough for direct football. Now lets have some pragmatism.

Rip up the plan Clough, it's just not good enough and it's not just about signing ever more players, you are at fault too.

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A manager is only as good as his players. If he can't bring in his targets because of money, the fact we are in league 1 or whatever then we certainly can't be pushing all blame onto him. A lot of players were injured today which may explain the crap result.
The teams above us have had more stability than we had over the summer. Preston barely changed, MK have had the same manager for a few years. I can't say much about the other two. Our whole squad was revamped and it takes time to adjust, especially after losing 3 key players.
Are there any better managers available to us? No I don't think so.
I'm willing to give him the rest of this season. Don't mistake me for some clapper. I hate losing more than anyone and I am absolutely sick of this league but to place all the blame at the door of clough is ludicrous. Managerial importance is far overstated nowadays.
 
Bookers Mullet said:
i think his ability to motivate teams for normal games is alarming, his negative attitude is starting to rub off on the players and we are starting to resemble the team under David Weir
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To be fair, the players should be motivating themselves to a required standard. Let's not take all the blame off them here, they are the ones actually on the pitch making the difference. Clough does a great of job of motivating them for cup games (although playing a cup game vs. a prem team will always motivate you more than playing port vale) but unfortunately it makes him look worse in the league.
 
I have zero faith in his abilities. We only play well when we're behind/a man down/playing a big team

He still gets to the end of the season after last year for me but I don't believe for one second we're likely to go up.
 
blader said:
Our board have a very effective method of consistently making the manager the fall-guy, whilst getting off scot-free. As long as they are timely and sensible with the right statements, people swallow it up and all blame is pushed on to the management when we inevitably fail. We have finished lower every season for the last 5 seasons, and fans really need to start asking themselves why this might be.

I think many need to distinguish between the 'club' and the 'squad' underachieving. Nigel has assembled a squad on freebies and bargains, yet some convinced themselves he was 'treating the money as his own; or whatever bullshit reasons they made up. No manager in the world refuses to spend money that's given to them, as they would need to be sectioned as a results. Everyone knows money = success in football, and if Nigel isn't provided with the 'GAME CHANGING INVESTMENT' (I still cringe every time I see/hear that phrase) then how can he be expected to change the game?

I'm a fan of Clough and am still 100% behind him as a capable football manager, or at the very least, the best manager we are able to attract. Sadly, the board have let us down again, not in failing to provide funds, but in taking us for chumps and trying to bullshit their way through another season of false promises. Clough gave the board a list of players he wanted, the club did not deliver these players, so he has been routing around in the bins and down the back of the sofa to see what he could muster. That is not his fault, and this should be recognised before everyone jumps on his back.

I'm not saying he's free of all blame, but is not the primary source of our consistent downfall over the past few years. I and several others have been accused of being 'doom merchants' or 'pessimists' but the evidence is coming wider and wider that actually we are realists and the squad is not good enough for automatic promotion. Do you seriously believe Steve Cotterill, Mark Cooper, Karl Robinson and Simon Grayson are all far superior managers to Nigel Clough? I absolutely do not. Particularly Cotterill, who is a serial failure, is proving that a manager is only as good as his players. How has he signed better players, I hear you ask? Well, I'll point you in the direction of the transfer fees and negative net-spend to explain that one.

One major conclusion we can all take from our current plight, is that SOMETHING has to change. Whether it is the board, the management or an overhaul of the playing staff, the current combination of three is nowhere near good enough. It's horrible to endure and to watch on a weekly basis, we can all agree. Automatic promotion is gone for this season, and barring a playoff miracle, we will be spending our 5th consecutive season in the third tier next year. The only thing I know for certain is that I will be saving myself £300 next season, as the current state of the club is offering me zero inspiration to renew my season ticket.
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The frustrating thing of this season , is that Mr Clough has put together a squad who individually are good for this league , but collectively , with the game plan we play are poor . This is not the boards fault , but preparation , coaching and tactics . The buck stops with Mr Clough . However Mr Clough rules the roost at BDTBL , therefore we have to hope for a January rebuild and change of game plan . We cannot even play COG to his full potential strengths. I have started to look down the league table not up , where we are the same points off the bottom as top.

I have a feeling things are going to get worst , if we do not buy the right players in January or in April we will be building for next season promotion push.

We have no choice but to back Mr Clough and his methods , and hope the board back Mr Clough with money . The worrying thing is , that if it was your money , would you back Mr Clough.

UTB
 
Lord Bos of Eckington. said:
The frustrating thing of this season , is that Mr Clough has put together a squad who individually are good for this league , but collectively , with the game plan we play are poor . This is not the boards fault , but preparation , coaching and tactics . The buck stops with Mr Clough . However Mr Clough rules the roost at BDTBL , therefore we have to hope for a January rebuild and change of game plan . We cannot even play COG to his full potential strengths. I have started to look down the league table not up , where we are the same points off the bottom as top.

I have a feeling things are going to get worst , if we do not buy the right players in January or in April we will be building for next season promotion push.

We have no choice but to back Mr Clough and his methods , and hope the board back Mr Clough with money . The worrying thing is , that if it was your money , would you back Mr Clough.

UTB
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That's not totally true or fair. From what I have seen we play perfectly well most of time and a fair few opposition fans have said the same thing. If you look at the stats from most games we dominate them and the results often don't reflect that unfortunately. The main problem is that our finishing is poor. If we actually scored some goals we'd do a hell of a lot better. I know that is obvious but it really is the only thing missing eight now.
 
Lord Bos of Eckington. said:
The frustrating thing of this season , is that Mr Clough has put together a squad who individually are good for this league , but collectively , with the game plan we play are poor . This is not the boards fault , but preparation , coaching and tactics . The buck stops with Mr Clough . However Mr Clough rules the roost at BDTBL , therefore we have to hope for a January rebuild and change of game plan . We cannot even play COG to his full potential strengths. I have started to look down the league table not up , where we are the same points off the bottom as top.

I have a feeling things are going to get worst , if we do not buy the right players in January or in April we will be building for next season promotion push.

We have no choice but to back Mr Clough and his methods , and hope the board back Mr Clough with money . The worrying thing is , that if it was your money , would you back Mr Clough.

UTB
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I think this is where we disagree, and therefore can't agree with the rest of your post. Who of our 'individuals' would get into Bristol City's team, seriously?
 
This thread sounds ridiculous, until you factor in expectations. The board have stated that they expect promotion, the league suggests otherwise.

I didn't go today so can't comment, but our league position isn't acceptable based on expectations.
 



I think we all agree that our Board is hopeless, has no ambition and continues to take the piss out of our incredibly loyal and fantastic support - and they will hold back any manager we bring in - but they can't be held responsible for the ultra negative, passionless, boring, disgraceful football we see week in, week out - or for the ludicrous team selections and formations.
 
In Clough we trust ? ..................... you gotta be fuckin joking. HE HAS TO GO ...................... not a chance that we will ever be promoted with negative Nigel in charge and the thought of him being let loose with a transfer budget in the JTW sends shivers down my spine. Sack the cunt now and get somebody in who has a clue how to win promotion such as Nigel Adkins. Just another Mr nice guy in the mould of Danny Wilson sack Clough and sack the board the club is rotten from top to bottom, no excuse for losing to a shit outfit like Port Vale. 20.000 every week to support this shit we should be pissing this league.
 
I liked today's line up and thought we'd do well. It sounded like we had a couple of good early chances and in terms of match stats overall matched them despite the red card.

Clough post match:



Winning penalty:

 
Nick Jansky said:
How, exactly, do we go about sacking the board, appointed by the owners? Please enlighten us, Einstein.
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There has only ever been one way to focus the minds in the boardroom and that happens when the fans vote with their feet ................ Einstein ;)
 
Lord Bos of Eckington. said:
The frustrating thing of this season , is that Mr Clough has put together a squad who individually are good for this league , but collectively , with the game plan we play are poor . This is not the boards fault , but preparation , coaching and tactics . The buck stops with Mr Clough . However Mr Clough rules the roost at BDTBL , therefore we have to hope for a January rebuild and change of game plan . We cannot even play COG to his full potential strengths. I have started to look down the league table not up , where we are the same points off the bottom as top.

I have a feeling things are going to get worst , if we do not buy the right players in January or in April we will be building for next season promotion push.

We have no choice but to back Mr Clough and his methods , and hope the board back Mr Clough with money . The worrying thing is , that if it was your money , would you back Mr Clough.

UTB
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Are they individually good enough though Lord Bos ?, because week after week they don't appear to be, poor game plan or not. Take Murph, this kid should be ripping teams apart both home and away yet is rarely the game changer we hoped he would become. I'm sure a lot of us were hoping that we'd now line up with McNulty & O'Grady leading the advance against the opposition, appears that will only happen for five minutes a game.
 
blader said:
Our board have a very effective method of consistently making the manager the fall-guy, whilst getting off scot-free. As long as they are timely and sensible with the right statements, people swallow it up and all blame is pushed on to the management when we inevitably fail. We have finished lower every season for the last 5 seasons, and fans really need to start asking themselves why this might be.

I think many need to distinguish between the 'club' and the 'squad' underachieving. Nigel has assembled a squad on freebies and bargains, yet some convinced themselves he was 'treating the money as his own; or whatever bullshit reasons they made up. No manager in the world refuses to spend money that's given to them, as they would need to be sectioned as a results. Everyone knows money = success in football, and if Nigel isn't provided with the 'GAME CHANGING INVESTMENT' (I still cringe every time I see/hear that phrase) then how can he be expected to change the game?

I'm a fan of Clough and am still 100% behind him as a capable football manager, or at the very least, the best manager we are able to attract. Sadly, the board have let us down again, not in failing to provide funds, but in taking us for chumps and trying to bullshit their way through another season of false promises. Clough gave the board a list of players he wanted, the club did not deliver these players, so he has been routing around in the bins and down the back of the sofa to see what he could muster. That is not his fault, and this should be recognised before everyone jumps on his back.

I'm not saying he's free of all blame, but is not the primary source of our consistent downfall over the past few years. I and several others have been accused of being 'doom merchants' or 'pessimists' but the evidence is coming wider and wider that actually we are realists and the squad is not good enough for automatic promotion. Do you seriously believe Steve Cotterill, Mark Cooper, Karl Robinson and Simon Grayson are all far superior managers to Nigel Clough? I absolutely do not. Particularly Cotterill, who is a serial failure, is proving that a manager is only as good as his players. How has he signed better players, I hear you ask? Well, I'll point you in the direction of the transfer fees and negative net-spend to explain that one.

One major conclusion we can all take from our current plight, is that SOMETHING has to change. Whether it is the board, the management or an overhaul of the playing staff, the current combination of three is nowhere near good enough. It's horrible to endure and to watch on a weekly basis, we can all agree. Automatic promotion is gone for this season, and barring a playoff miracle, we will be spending our 5th consecutive season in the third tier next year. The only thing I know for certain is that I will be saving myself £300 next season, as the current state of the club is offering me zero inspiration to renew my season ticket.
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accept a lot of what you say but people in the game and i mean experienced managers and chairman accept and agree
that teams with the biggest budgets do usually take the honours.We have consistantly been in the top two or three with our
budget since relegation from premier league.We have under acheaved each season,maybe you can criticise the board
for sale of some quality young players but the budget has always been there its the managers who have failed to deliver every season.
Its possible we could miss out again this season should we change managers again?.
In my opinion no ! look where sacking managers has taken us.I am now accepting cloughy may have got it wrong this
season but the overall structure will serve us well as he is building a youngish team with a lot of talent coming through .
money will be spent trying to get us over the line this season but if we dont make it cloughy needs time to finish the job
he has started.
We may set up a bit may be not to lose but i think clough wants to be more positive but have we got the legs in the team to play that way?.that is a weakness he will i hope put right he hasnt so far and thats disappointing.
My mantra is still patience the team building is not finished and nobody knows more than nigel that if he fails to
deliver over an acceptable time he will be gone
 
Kev Gee said:
I dont want NC to get sacked or resign. (after all who would we get that would be better?)
I want him to stop dicking about & go at teams rather than being cautiouIts ok against teams higher than us but against a League 1 team?
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No chance of sacking Mr Clough or him calling it a day . What he has to do as a last resort to change a mediocre side into a winning run , with some little tweaks . Ring Steve Mclaren up , ask him what he did at Derby with Mr Cloughs side .

Also Mr Clough to bring back Butler . Get in touch and bring him back.

Cannot think of as anything so cost effective , within budget , productive for the good of the club , as 2no phone calls.

UTB
 



Lord Bos of Eckington. said:
No chance of sacking Mr Clough or him calling it a day . What he has to do as a last resort to change a mediocre side into a winning run , with some little tweaks . Ring Steve Mclaren up , ask him what he did at Derby with Mr Cloughs side .

Also Mr Clough to bring back Butler . Get in touch and bring him back.

Cannot think of as anything so cost effective , within budget , productive for the good of the club , as 2no phone calls.

UTB
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I'll save you the phone call. They attack teams.
 
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