I love Wilder but

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Yeah, it is very very tough to compete in the PL without money from owners. The system looks like it is setup to prevent clubs breaking into the top table. I think Villa’s owners have spent about 220m on transfer fees since buying the club and that doesn’t even include wages. And Villa can’t compete with the big clubs who are paying 200k+ a week in wages, FFP sees to that. I am not sure what the best way is to level the playing field a little more but FFP doesn’t appear to be working too well. Maybe a wage cap or something like that would be more effective. There is a real fine line between survival and disaster in football these days. The season we both got promoted you obviously did it automatically but we played Derby in the playoff final. Derby are now bottom of the Championship and could be heading for League 1. Remember Leeds spring on Derby that season and Derby beat Leeds in the playoff semi finals. It must be hard on fans to have been the same level as Leeds and Villa and now they are miles behind.


And yes, Grealish has won more fouls than any other player in the PL this season 😀
i think it might be slightly more of a level playing field within 5 years because the top 6 clubs wont be in it they will be in a 2 tier european league imo and if not it will more than likely be a 16 team super league grealish is a fantastic player but really spoils himself with all the theatricals its a curse of the modern game players play acting and feigning injury to win free kicks and getting opposition players cards its pathetic
 



This forum has never exactly been the high water mark when it comes to intelligence and objectivity, but this thread takes the biscuit. Some are questioning Wilder and rightly so. To those who claim this is his first blip, it isn’t (first few games in his first season when I thought calls for him to walk were ridiculous) and after Christmas the first season back in the Championship. This current malaise has been going on since the end of the ridiculous lockdown last season. Something has changed with Wilder; his approach and demeanour have been wrong for a while. Added to this are his questionable signings. He is capable of great things but will he get his mojo back? I’m not sure. Perhaps being a supporter as well as the manager is weighing too heavily on him. As it is, whether he stays or goes is not my decision, but I think it’s more than fair to speculate on his future.
i agree with your analogy of wilder something has changed he just doesnt seem the same guy anymore i think it maybe the fact that financially he knows we cant compete at this level the money being spent has gone up a notch over the last year especially salaries we cant match 90% of premier league clubs its close to an impossible task plus i have to say a big majority of players havent performed this season add this to our injury list and it will be a miracle if we stay up this season
 
It has been said that Saints were right to sack Aitkens and Brighton to sack Hughton and I agree the clubs are better off having some so as Poch and Potter are better managers than their predecessors. However, the grass isn’t always greener. Last season it would have been very easy for Saints to sack Hasenhuttl following their 8-0 loss (at home) to Leicester which had them bottom of the Premier League. They were bottom until about Feb time if I recall. It does appear that they were right not to sack him as they are looking a very good side now and playing exciting football and will not have any relegation concerns this year.
 
It has been said that Saints were right to sack Aitkens and Brighton to sack Hughton and I agree the clubs are better off having some so as Poch and Potter are better managers than their predecessors. However, the grass isn’t always greener. Last season it would have been very easy for Saints to sack Hasenhuttl following their 8-0 loss (at home) to Leicester which had them bottom of the Premier League. They were bottom until about Feb time if I recall. It does appear that they were right not to sack him as they are looking a very good side now and playing exciting football and will not have any relegation concerns this year.
Not to mention Norwich who are flying in the Championship! Also Burnley stuck with Dyche and they have been an ever present in the PL. It seems strange all these people are arguing about why Wilder should go but then say "oh I don't think he should though" if you don't think he should go stop arguing so vociferously for it otherwise stand up for your convictions and actually admit he should go.
 
Yes incredibly simple he is the best man for the job and doesn't deserve to be sacked after 9 games talking into account the extraordinary conditions at the moment. Look at Norwich they stuck with their manager and look in a good place to come straight back up.
He doesn’t deserve to be sacked right now. But we have been awful for the vast majority of 2020 and nothing is changing.
 
He doesn’t deserve to be sacked right now. But we have been awful for the vast majority of 2020 and nothing is changing.
So you keep telling us! Not seen much evidence from you to say you want him to stay! All I have seen is you argue with people who don’t want him sacked it a little bit strange! If you want him to say why not say this that and the other is not good enough but I want him to stay because of this?
Now you can toddle off back to your mates on chat box and tell them you have called another one out who wants wilder to stay! All very edgy!
 
So you keep telling us! Not seen much evidence from you to say you want him to stay! All I have seen is you argue with people who don’t want him sacked it a little bit strange! If you want him to say why not say this that and the other is not good enough but I want him to stay because of this?
Now you can toddle off back to your mates on chat box and tell them you have called another one out who wants wilder to stay! All very edgy!
He only posts to wind people up. Stick him on ignore. I should have done it sooner.
 
A quick comment 'cause I'm busy but when CW went shopping for new recruits for the next generation of the playing staff did he think (know) that he should consider JOC, Moose, Fleck were going to be sidelined? obviously not how could he? He was shopping for the next generation of players not players that would immediately cement a place in the first team but he has had to "blood" them out of necessity
Cut the guy some slack fps!
That's not quite right mate, at the end of last season he came out and said the players he would bring in during the window were players who were going to improve the first team, we ended up with squad players!
 
That's not quite right mate, at the end of last season he came out and said the players he would bring in during the window were players who were going to improve the first team, we ended up with squad players!
He may well have said that however wanting to get players in who can come into the side and take the place of the established players and getting them are two different things. We tried to get cash by all accounts it was a done deal then Villa came in offered daft money and he went there. It also sounds like we wanted Watkins but at 30 odd million and eye watering wages he didn’t want to put the club in financial trouble if he didn’t work out.
Its all well and good sat in your armchair saying who we should sign you and I have no idea what went on behind the scenes and who we tried to get. In the end he had to go for up and coming players we hope we can improve and obvi make the step up. That’s not happening at the moment but it has ensured if we do go down we won’t end up like lots of other relegated teams with a massive wage bill hanging round our neck. He has always said he would never gamble with the finances of the club and he is true to his word.
 
This forum has never exactly been the high water mark when it comes to intelligence and objectivity, but this thread takes the biscuit. Some are questioning Wilder and rightly so. To those who claim this is his first blip, it isn’t (first few games in his first season when I thought calls for him to walk were ridiculous) and after Christmas the first season back in the Championship. This current malaise has been going on since the end of the ridiculous lockdown last season. Something has changed with Wilder; his approach and demeanour have been wrong for a while. Added to this are his questionable signings. He is capable of great things but will he get his mojo back? I’m not sure. Perhaps being a supporter as well as the manager is weighing too heavily on him. As it is, whether he stays or goes is not my decision, but I think it’s more than fair to speculate on his future.

Completely agree. The gaffer has looked care-worn for some time now.

Of course, in part that will be because he is in charge of a side that has lost 11 of its past 12 matches. It is inevitable that that will bear heavily on any manager, and probably even more so on Chris as a supporter of the club. Moreover, as a supporter, he'll be fully aware that the club has committed sums of money in the transfer market far in excess of anything we've ever done before. That will be weighing really heavily on his shoulders too.

The loss of the crowd has undoubtedly killed us. I said it would even before we re-started against Villa in June, albeit it is incredible that we, alone it seems, still can't come to terms with it, 19 league games later. In fact, the increasingly frequent references to the absence of fans in the players' interviews would suggest that the players have now started to wallow in it as an excuse.

I wonder whether the biggest factor in all of this and for Chris appearing to be defeated, is that he is mentally just worn out by the constant battle against superior odds. Plenty of commentators make the point that the Premier League is a relentless mental test for players and managers, as much as a physical test. Every single match, especially for teams like us, is a new and incredibly difficult test. And, because of the lockdown, that already mentally testing situation became even more intense with the games being crammed into a shorter period, allowing very little time to prepare for the next difficult examination.

The really top sides have the world class talent available to occasionally trust the players to get the job done regardless of preparation. There are no free hits for us, though. Similarly, many other clubs in the league have far superior and numerous coaching teams and resources to spread the load.

It may all have just caught up with Chris, Alan and the players. It happens. It happened to Eddie Howe and before that it happened to Wagner and Huddersfield, who just 'hit the wall' in their second season. Perhaps it's just inevitable when you're fighting against the odds every week? Perhaps, they're just mentally frazzled?
 



If the prince brought big Sam in to replace wilder then that is me done. It would be mega flounce.

That’s no season tickets, shirts, other merchandise or nasty kiosk beer purchased over the next couple of decades.

P. S. What a cretinous, odious bag of lice infested dog shit this thread is.

Don't hold it in, just spit it out. ;)
 
Completely agree. The gaffer has looked care-worn for some time now.

Of course, in part that will be because he is in charge of a side that has lost 11 of its past 12 matches. It is inevitable that that will bear heavily on any manager, and probably even more so on Chris as a supporter of the club. Moreover, as a supporter, he'll be fully aware that the club has committed sums of money in the transfer market far in excess of anything we've ever done before. That will be weighing really heavily on his shoulders too.

The loss of the crowd has undoubtedly killed us. I said it would even before we re-started against Villa in June, albeit it is incredible that we, alone it seems, still can't come to terms with it, 19 league games later. In fact, the increasingly frequent references to the absence of fans in the players' interviews would suggest that the players have now started to wallow in it as an excuse.

I wonder whether the biggest factor in all of this and for Chris appearing to be defeated, is that he is mentally just worn out by the constant battle against superior odds. Plenty of commentators make the point that the Premier League is a relentless mental test for players and managers, as much as a physical test. Every single match, especially for teams like us, is a new and incredibly difficult test. And, because of the lockdown, that already mentally testing situation became even more intense with the games being crammed into a shorter period, allowing very little time to prepare for the next difficult examination.

The really top sides have the world class talent available to occasionally trust the players to get the job done regardless of preparation. There are no free hits for us, though. Similarly, many other clubs in the league have far superior and numerous coaching teams and resources to spread the load.

It may all have just caught up with Chris, Alan and the players. It happens. It happened to Eddie Howe and before that it happened to Wagner and Huddersfield, who just 'hit the wall' in their second season. Perhaps it's just inevitable when you're fighting against the odds every week? Perhaps, they're just mentally frazzled?
Tell the world you're miles behind everyone you're playing against and maybe your players start to believe it?
 
You need to get a reality check. If CW doesn't change things, we're going down. Madness to keep doing the same things over and over. I'm not going to start trading insults. It's my view and after being a Blade for 42yrs and spending thousands on my club, I'm entitled to it.
You think you know better than Wilder despite never have played or coached in professional football?

This reminds me of Joe Mercer (when he was SUFC manager) when he shut up one of the SUFC directors who was questioning his tactics and team selections
Joe Mercer: What do you know about football, then?
SUFC Director: I have watched football for many years so I consider myself to be an expert
Joe Mercer: My wife has been sat next to me watching me driving my car for so many years, and she still cant bloody drive!
 
Wilder has not managed 4 years in the top flight as Bassett did.
Nor did he gain 2 successive promotions as Bassett did.
Bassett has had many relegations and admitted that "he has had more ups and downs than Christine Keeler's knickers"
 
I was watching something about Sunderland's prospective buyer. View attachment 98709
He might be a strange looking fella but he was apparently on QPR's books at one time and has hooked up with both HAAS F1 team and has a superbike team with his company's logo on it. To my point- He mentioned that he was looking for a manager like Clough (senior) who speaks his mind and can take a club quickly through the divisions to the prem (remind you of anyone?). CW has been linked with Sunderland before, if he is pissed off enough and this fella can tempt him (with big money) he could just go. So my take on this is that Chris Wilder has done enough and proved enough to back him for the long term to get this club where Chris wants it to be. If we don't back him as fans or as a club this beardo weirdo at Sunderland will snap his hands off and then we will lose him for good.
We went to shit after we lost Bassett and even though in the long run (very long run 'til Wilder came) it is better without Warnock we had a hell of a rough time after he left. FFS do not chase out the best manager I have experienced in over 50 years as a blade. Bassett was a great manager but Wilder plays far superior football and brings the whole club together. So if through different circumstances we can't stay up look at the Championship with Norwich and Bournemouth at the top and Watford in play off spots. He will do the business and bring us back up. If we don't back him there is a hairy bloke in the North East who will.

Providing he can address his major shortcoming, spotting and playing forwards who can score goals. He inherited Billy of course. His record with McBurnie, Burke, Brewster and Moussett has not been particularly startling.
 
You think you know better than Wilder despite never have played or coached in professional football?

This reminds me of Joe Mercer (when he was SUFC manager) when he shut up one of the SUFC directors who was questioning his tactics and team selections
Joe Mercer: What do you know about football, then?
SUFC Director: I have watched football for many years so I consider myself to be an expert
Joe Mercer: My wife has been sat next to me watching me driving my car for so many years, and she still cant bloody drive!

It doesn't take a genius to watch recent games and see we are rubbish. Nor does it take experience of being a football manager.

McBurnie is a £15-20m misfit and Brewster not given the chance to be played in. I dont think Wilder can buy strikers, seems pretty crap the ones he's bought so far. Goals a bit of a fundamental to the game I thought.
 
You think you know better than Wilder despite never have played or coached in professional football?

This reminds me of Joe Mercer (when he was SUFC manager) when he shut up one of the SUFC directors who was questioning his tactics and team selections
Joe Mercer: What do you know about football, then?
SUFC Director: I have watched football for many years so I consider myself to be an expert
Joe Mercer: My wife has been sat next to me watching me driving my car for so many years, and she still cant bloody drive!
What you always miss out when you tell this story is that Joe Mercer got us relegated, partly as a result of his tactics and team selections.
 
It doesn't take a genius to watch recent games and see we are rubbish. Nor does it take experience of being a football manager.

McBurnie is a £15-20m misfit and Brewster not given the chance to be played in. I dont think Wilder can buy strikers, seems pretty crap the ones he's bought so far. Goals a bit of a fundamental to the game I thought.
He’s that bad our manager it makes you wonder how on earth he got us promoted twice! Put it down to luck! Wilder can’t buy strikers? Shakes my head in disbelief!
 
You think you know better than Wilder despite never have played or coached in professional football?

This reminds me of Joe Mercer (when he was SUFC manager) when he shut up one of the SUFC directors who was questioning his tactics and team selections
Joe Mercer: What do you know about football, then?
SUFC Director: I have watched football for many years so I consider myself to be an expert
Joe Mercer: My wife has been sat next to me watching me driving my car for so many years, and she still cant bloody drive!

Not this story again! I remember you quoting this story during Clough’s reign as well! 🙄
 
Not this story again! I remember you quoting this story during Clough’s reign as well! 🙄
Given the number of people who daily spout the same old tedious and ill informed arm chair advice to wilder about signings, selections, tactics, leadership qualities, I for one am prepared to hear a story that may have been told 5 or 6 years ago.
 
Given the number of people who daily spout the same old tedious and ill informed arm chair advice to wilder about signings, selections, tactics, leadership qualities, I for one am prepared to hear a story that may have been told 5 or 6 years ago.

Adkins and Weir both know more than the supporters on this forum, does that mean we were wrong to question them and call for them to be sacked?
 
Adkins and Weir both know more than the supporters on this forum, does that mean we were wrong to question them and call for them to be sacked?
If either of them had taken us from the first division to the premier league in three years and finished just outside European places in their first season in the PL, I’d hope we would refrain from calling for their heads after 9 games of a season.

But they didn’t. Are you seriously comparing Chris wilder to them?
 
If either of them had taken us from the first division to the premier league in three years and finished just outside European places in their first season in the PL, I’d hope we would refrain from calling for their heads after 9 games of a season.

But they didn’t. Are you seriously comparing Chris wilder to them?

How long do we wait until we can call for his head?
 



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