I love Wilder but

[Freddie]

Thanks Freddie. You should write a bookI will it’ll

So predictable

And true. X

 

[United Aren't Back.]

You seem to be keen to avoid offering an alternative to our most successful manager in the last 50 years??

Wilder has not managed 4 years in the top flight as Bassett did.
Nor did he gain 2 successive promotions as Bassett did.

 

[United Aren't Back.]

Thats logical!! A bloke who took his team down last season to replace Chris. What a

Thats logical!! A bloke who took his team down last season to replace Chris. What a plonker!!

We bought that manager"s goalkeeper, who looks currently likely ro be relegated again.

 

[Nicolaus_Copernicus]

Wilder has not managed 4 years in the top flight as Bassett did.
Nor did he gain 2 successive promotions as Bassett did.

....nor getting to an FA Cup semi, nor bettering a far superior Wednesday side home & away and robbing them the chance of a league title and Bassett did this on a shoestring. Even the season we went down, when we sold our talisman & DB's powers were fading, we where a hell of a lot more competitive than we've been this season.

 

[Pedro Verde]

....nor getting to an FA Cup semi, nor bettering a far superior Wednesday side home & away and robbing them the chance of a league title and Bassett did this on a shoestring. Even the season we went down, when we sold our talisman & DB's powers were fading, we where a hell of a lot more competitive than we've been this season.

Hate to tell you but football has changed in the last 25 years regarding the PL
Lot harder to compete due to £££££ Billionaire owners, astronomical wages etc

 

[blackydog]

he's not bigger than the club. If things haven't improved by New Year's Day then he has to go. I hope it doesn't come to that.

There's more to a relegation than just the manager.
Have you noticed the absence and underperformance of key players lately?
Have you considered the effect of having trying to buy Waitrose products in Poundland?
Have you not considered that sometimes it is necessary to take a step back to go forward?

 

[SteveBlade]

There's more to a relegation than just the manager.
Have you noticed the absence and underperformance of key players lately?
Have you considered the effect of having trying to buy Waitrose products in Poundland?
Have you not considered that sometimes it is necessary to take a step back to go forward?

The recruitment has been dire, that's on Wilder in my opinion.

We've paid Waitrose prices for Poundland products.

 

[Mumbo]

You're trying to tell me that if a bigger club came in for Wilder offering to double his wages then he wouldn't walk. Course he would. Loyalty doesn't come in to it. At the moment he's doing the same thing week in week out and getting the same results. How long would you give him? Bet you'd be at the front of the queue slagging him off if we're still bottom in April

pathetic.

 

[blackydog]

The recruitment has been dire, that's on Wilder in my opinion.

We've paid Waitrose prices for Poundland products.

Yeah, I know what you mean, point i'm making is that he is severely restricted in who he can buy because of the cost and wages, so has to go for players who are far from what would be his first choice.

 

[west_yorks_blade]

The recruitment has been dire, that's on Wilder in my opinion.

We've paid Waitrose prices for Poundland products.

Based on zero knowledge of what actually happens in sourcing, negotiating and agreeing terms with players or the constraints he is working under.

 

[SteveBlade]

Based on zero knowledge of what actually happens in sourcing, negotiating and agreeing terms with players or the constraints he is working under.

We can only call it as we see it. When you're signing JOC, Fleck, Baldock, Stevens, Egan, Norwood and they're all brilliant, you get the credit. But when you're signing players who don't improve the team at all, that's also on you.

The fact that we've spent around 100 million on players since we came up to the PL suggests that whilst we obviously don't have a massive budget in comparison to some clubs, Wilder hasn't exactly had his hands tied.

 

[Robboblade1889]

Based on zero knowledge of what actually happens in sourcing, negotiating and agreeing terms with players or the constraints he is working under.

This 100%! It’s getting quite tiring reading this lazy view! It’s ok sat here saying we should buy him or him! How many variables are there in signing a player? Do you not think Wilder would love to go out and spend 40m or 50m on a premier league striker! He will have been given a budget and as part of that budget he has to bring in players to try and cover the first team players! These players are quite obviously not going to be like for like, any decent premier league player is not going to play second fiddle at Sheffield United. You also have the wages, we quite rightly are going to have a wage cap, why shouldn’t we this is what’s got us into trouble before. You also have the player himself, does he want to go to Sheffield United? Does his agent want him to go to Sheffield United.
Like it or not we are buying from a certain pool, what we have done is bought players who will improve with time and coaching. I understand people say if we hadn’t signed him or him we could have added these fees together and bought him. What then happens if we get 3/4 injuries?
I am astounded that people don’t see these sort of constraints people seem to think it’s championship manager or something. I’m not saying all the signings are working at the moment but unfortunately that’s the risk we have to take to ensure we don’t get the club into financial trouble. Tell you what though we have a cracking championship team if we do go down!

 

[Champagneblade]

Quick reminder of where we are at:

5 years BC (Before Chris):
League One
League One
League One
League One
League One

5 years AD (After Dean (Hammond)):
League One
Championship
Championship
Premiership
Premiership

Now we went through 5 appointments in cementing ourselves in League One. So I don't know how there would be an expectation to somehow upgrade on the bloke with the AD record. But the chances are very low.

I'm backing Chris to build a dynasty here. This is not the beginning of the end, merely the end of the beginning.

UTB

 

[SteveBlade]

This 100%! It’s getting quite tiring reading this lazy view! It’s ok sat here saying we should buy him or him! How many variables are there in signing a player? Do you not think Wilder would love to go out and spend 40m or 50m on a premier league striker! He will have been given a budget and as part of that budget he has to bring in players to try and cover the first team players! These players are quite obviously not going to be like for like, any decent premier league player is not going to play second fiddle at Sheffield United. You also have the wages, we quite rightly are going to have a wage cap, why shouldn’t we this is what’s got us into trouble before. You also have the player himself, does he want to go to Sheffield United? Does his agent want him to go to Sheffield United.
Like it or not we are buying from a certain pool, what we have done is bought players who will improve with time and coaching. I understand people say if we hadn’t signed him or him we could have added these fees together and bought him. What then happens if we get 3/4 injuries?
I am astounded that people don’t see these sort of constraints people seem to think it’s championship manager or something. I’m not saying all the signings are working at the moment but unfortunately that’s the risk we have to take to ensure we don’t get the club into financial trouble. Tell you what though we have a cracking championship team if we do go down!

Why are we overthinking this? The players we've signed haven't improved us. We've spent around £100 million and we aren't a better side for it.

Why are we desperately attempting to shift the blame? Wilder has signed these players, whether they were his first, second, third or tenth choice target, he's brought them in, and he's spent £100 million in doing so.

I love the bloke, but the recruitment has been very poor.

 

[Nicolaus_Copernicus]

Why are we overthinking this? The players we've signed haven't improved us. We've spent around £100 million and we aren't a better side for it.

Why are we desperately attempting to shift the blame? Wilder has signed these players, whether they were his first, second, third or tenth choice target, he's brought them in, and he's spent £100 million in doing so.

I love the bloke, but the recruitment has been very poor.

Because things are now verging on a cult.

 

[Robboblade1889]

We can only call it as we see it. When you're signing JOC, Fleck, Baldock, Stevens, Egan, Norwood and they're all brilliant, you get the credit. But when you're signing players who don't improve the team at all, that's also on you.

The fact that we've spent around 100 million on players since we came up to the PL suggests that whilst we obviously don't have a massive budget in comparison to some clubs, Wilder hasn't exactly had his hands tied.

See above!
So you actually think in real terms he has spent anywhere near the money people are saying? In the premier league the money he has spent is peanuts! Don’t forget the team which came up was made up of league 1 and championship players. He started from an extremely low point and had to spend money to even get players who could hold their own so to speak. His hands have been tied but that’s not a dig at the owners we have been prudent and I fully support that.

 

[Robboblade1889]

Because things are now verging on a cult.

Oh right so what you’re saying is people can’t defend the manager and argue the point? They are all valid points!

 

[Robboblade1889]

Why are we overthinking this? The players we've signed haven't improved us. We've spent around £100 million and we aren't a better side for it.

Why are we desperately attempting to shift the blame? Wilder has signed these players, whether they were his first, second, third or tenth choice target, he's brought them in, and he's spent £100 million in doing so.

I love the bloke, but the recruitment has been very poor.

You keep saying they haven’t improved us! Where haven’t they improved us? From what point? Which players are you specifically talking about! His recruitment got us to the top 10 of the premier league last season and we are 9 games into the new season! I’m not saying everything is rosy but it’s just lazy to say these players aren’t good enough!

 

[YES Blade]

Wilder has not managed 4 years in the top flight as Bassett did.
Nor did he gain 2 successive promotions as Bassett did.

Bassett also had to work with a board which provided far less backing than the current board.

 

[Robboblade1889]

Bassett also had to work with a board which provided far less backing than the current board.

You do realise this was over 20 years ago don’t you? Did Bassett have the likes of City Liverpool Man Utd etc with all their 100’s of millions to compete with? Did Bassett have us playing the style of football we have played over the last 4 years! Basset did an incredible job and it was some great times but football has massively moved in since then! How quickly people turn

 

[SteveBlade]

You keep saying they haven’t improved us! Where haven’t they improved us? From what point? Which players are you specifically talking about! His recruitment got us to the top 10 of the premier league last season and we are 9 games into the new season! I’m not saying everything is rosy but it’s just lazy to say these players aren’t good enough!

Freeman, Lowe, Bogle, Robinson Burke, Rodwell, Osborn, Ampadu, Brewster. All squad players who haven't pushed us forward so far. It's unfair to critisize some, as they're young and it would have been foolish to think that they'd hit the ground running, but that's not their fault.

Berge is a very good player who doesn't fit our system.

The jury's out on McBurnie, I like him, but he's not been as effective as I'd have liked.

Our best eleven is still very much the side that came up from the Championship, with the exception of the goalkeeper and maybe one or two others at a push.

 

[YES Blade]

You do realise this was over 20 years ago don’t you? Did Bassett have the likes of City Liverpool Man Utd etc with all their 100’s of millions to compete with? Did Bassett have us playing the style of football we have played over the last 4 years! Basset did an incredible job and it was some great times but football has massively moved in since then! How quickly people turn

Hold on, why does me agreeing that Bassett is our greatest manager in the last 50 years, mean I've turned on Wilder? I've not called him a shit manager FFS! Calm down, not everything is an attack on Wilder!

 

[Champagneblade]

Oh right so what you’re saying is people can’t defend the manager and argue the point? They are all valid points!

Recruitment has been found wanting at the highest level. There are probably quite a few factors and it would be interesting to know who Chris had down as first choices.

But I don't see how that has to equate to getting rid of the best manager in years. At best he's come up short on the second season with many injuries and poor decisions combined, at a level we've not managed to spend more than one season at in almost 30 years.

The margin of error is so fine for us with our current set up. We're falling the wrong side of it this term.

 

[Robboblade1889]

Hold on, why does me agreeing that Bassett is our greatest manager in the last 50 years, mean I've turned on Wilder? I've not called him a shit manager FFS! Calm down, not everything is an attack on Wilder!

Who said it was an attack on Wilder? You made a point and I replied to that point with my own points! I disagree Bassett is our greatest manager and gave you reasons why! The part about people turning wasn’t aimed at you to be fair so apologies for that.

 

[Nicolaus_Copernicus]

Recruitment has been found wanting at the highest level. There are probably quite a few factors and it would be interesting to know who Chris had down as first choices.

But I don't see how that has to equate to getting rid of the best manager in years. At best he's come up short on the second season with many injuries and poor decisions combined, at a level we've not managed to spend more than one season at in almost 30 years.

The margin of error is so fine for us with our current set up. We're falling the wrong side of it this term.

It's a funny situation that we find ourselves in, isn't it? The current management & squad is coming up short in the PL this season, and yet a large number of us think that a.) if we go down we'll come back up again without much difficulty & b.) that a season in the championship with its reduced finances and reduced quality will somehow make us better prepared for the PL, which will be an even more unforgiving place, by the time we return.

 

[Robboblade1889]

Recruitment has been found wanting at the highest level. There are probably quite a few factors and it would be interesting to know who Chris had down as first choices.

But I don't see how that has to equate to getting rid of the best manager in years. At best he's come up short on the second season with many injuries and poor decisions combined, at a level we've not managed to spend more than one season at in almost 30 years.

The margin of error is so fine for us with our current set up. We're falling the wrong side of it this term.

Can’t disagree a lot with most of that to be honest! I do think there are things we don’t have a clue about and it is so difficult for us to try and compete with regards recruitment. My point is it isn’t black or white like some people make out! We don’t know who we have tried to get behind the scenes!
If he hadn’t spent money in players people would be up in arms so he can’t win really! We simply cannot afford proven premier league players so have to buy young develop and hope they make the step up quickly.

 

[Robboblade1889]

It's a funny situation that we find ourselves in, isn't it? The current management & squad is coming up short in the PL this season, and yet a large number of us think that a.) if we go down we'll come back up again without much difficulty & b.) that a season in the championship with its reduced finances and reduced quality will somehow make us better prepared for the PL, which will be an even more unforgiving place, by the time we return.

But there are also factors this season which we won’t ever see again! The lack of fans being one, it’s so obvious it’s having a big impact on us and the way we play. It seems the people going in on Wilder aren’t even factoring this in!

 

[YES Blade]

Who said it was an attack on Wilder? You made a point and I replied to that point with my own points! I disagree Bassett is our greatest manager and gave you reasons why! The part about people turning wasn’t aimed at you to be fair so apologies for that.

It's close between Wilder and Bassett, I think with Bassett having more seasons in the top flight and the board being less than supportive just edges it at the moment. If Wilder gets us out of this mess he'll probably be above Bassett. If Wilder takes us down this season after the backing he's had, then he's still a close second for me. Bassett had his best player sold, not given money to improve the squad in his relegation season.

 

[SelbyBlade]

Quick reminder of where we are at:

5 years BC (Before Chris):
League One
League One
League One
League One
League One

5 years AD (After Dean (Hammond)):
League One
Championship
Championship
Premiership
Premiership

Now we went through 5 appointments in cementing ourselves in League One. So I don't know how there would be an expectation to somehow upgrade on the bloke with the AD record. But the chances are very low.

I'm backing Chris to build a dynasty here. This is not the beginning of the end, merely the end of the beginning.

UTB

I think the end of the begining was promotion to the Prem. Chris Wilder said we are five years ahead of schedule, so once we have the new facilities in place, that is the next phase. So therefore it's evoloution. I really believe that if we are able to keep Chris Wilder he will (along with the support) build something huge. This will include the increasing of capacity on both the South Stand and the Kop (personnaly I would like to see the whole stadium redeveloped to accomodate gridiron in the North but we can't have everything, so Jim Phipps told me). When you consider the size of the city (bigger than Liverpool in terms of population) and the conurbation (again much bigger than Liverpool), even with the massives , we should be able to increase our fan base (when you consider the glory supporting Liverpool fans, Everton still get great crowds).
If we are patient and watch the club grow this is just a blip and will be seen as such in the future.

 

[bertieblade]

It is a slow evolution.
If we are to go down Wilder is the best man to get us back up.
In between times he will have offloaded some players at a profit and will subsequently have funds to rebuild from a better level than he had when he took over.
We will subsequently be better when we come up.
Therefore easier to cement our position in the premiership.

A slow evolution on the road to European domination,
Who’d have thought SUFC, our SUFC being where we are now in comparison to when he came in.