Hull 1 United 0 - report/ratings

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Rotten result,

Brightish start but chins hit the floor as soon as Hull scored and we looked like we didn’t believe we could get back into it once we fell behind, and that is against a pretty poor Hull side, I dread to think what will happen when we go up against teams like Coventry.

I can’t be arsed to give individual ratings as I’m losing interest rapidly and quite frankly we look absolutely nailed on to be relegated.

I don’t think Wilder has improved us much at all, yes Selles had to go but the reappointment of Wilder looks an absolute disaster.

50 points look light years away for this squad, I know people, are hoping we are not to far adrift come The January Transfer window and we can fix things then but I remember this is the same management and recruitment team that messed up last January so I have no confidence at all they will get it right this time, and it won’t be long before the debate begins whether Wilder is the right man to get us back from League one at the first attempt.

Glad its the International break now and United won’t be ruining another weekend for a bit.
 

Your opening para highlights how there is delusion that Wilder 2.0 is the same as Wilder 1.0. I am a Wilder fan, but the run we have been on with Wilder 2.0 (even if you exclude the intermission under Selles) since Easter is an absolute disgrace. It is a further disgrace that the issues which undermined us at the end of last season were not addressed over the summer, including:

Lack of pace
Poor midfield that couldn't create saliva and offers zero goals / creativity
One up front with strikers that don't suit one up front
A lack of a right back
Poor back ups for the keeper and left back
No wingers in a wingers based system.

Wilder couldn't influence the summer transfer window, so he gets a pass for that. But even as a Wilder fan, he can't indefinitely get a pass for the utter sh1t being served up on the pitch right now (which has been going on under his leadership last Easter).
 
Really do appreciate the effort this must take, and would miss not seeing your report

But it does seem now that you're playing the result/ pandering to some of the smaller brains on here.

If playing the result is being critical of us losing every week (3 league wins in half a year!) then yeah, guilty as charged!
 
Need to play 2 up top to create more goalscoring opportunities.

I would play Ings alongside One/Campbell (alternating)

Drop O'Hare and Peck and play Davies with Soumare centrally.

Ogbene out wide and Seriki on the other flank.

Thought McCallum did ok today, probably keep him in.

Got to make some changes or we're gonna be going down.
 
Need to play 2 up top to create more goalscoring opportunities.

I would play Ings alongside One/Campbell (alternating)

Drop O'Hare and Peck and play Davies with Soumare centrally.

Ogbene out wide and Seriki on the other flank.

Thought McCallum did ok today, probably keep him in.

Got to make some changes or we're gonna be going down.
Agree with that apart from Seriki on the left , not sure that would work?
 
I didn't watch the game, only saw Burrows penalty which he hit hard and true, keeper did well.

Agree recruitment has been a disaster, especially when you consider both Anel and Souza went for big sums this Summer... Tanganga, Mee and possibly Ings the only ones who look respectable and 2 of them came on free transfers. We need assurances that whatever scouting and recruitment methodology was used in the Summer will NEVER be used again.
Hard and true, give over a natural strike for a left footer is to put it to the keepers left, not open your body up to put it to the keepers right. Knew he would miss it, Burrows has fell off a cliff and he's not on his own. Maybe the demoralising Wembley defeat is too big a hangover for our players to shake off 🤔
 
Selecting Tom Cannon for the match day squad is now beyond stupid, it can only be down stubbornness as it’s clear the fans don’t want him in the side and it’s looks just as obvious to me he’d rather not be here.

Put him on gardening leave and sell him at the first opportunity In January for a nominal fee, he is currently a massive albatross around the clubs neck.
 
Selecting Tom Cannon for the match day squad is now beyond stupid, it can only be down stubbornness as it’s clear the fans don’t want him in the side and it’s looks just as obvious to me he’d rather not be here.

Put him on gardening leave and sell him at the first opportunity In January for a nominal fee, he is currently a massive albatross around the clubs neck.
Just put him in the U23s and get a loan lined up for him on January 1st. Someone will be daft enough to take him.
 
Rotten result,

Brightish start but chins hit the floor as soon as Hull scored and we looked like we didn’t believe we could get back into it once we fell behind, and that is against a pretty poor Hull side, I dread to think what will happen when we go up against teams like Coventry.

I can’t be arsed to give individual ratings as I’m losing interest rapidly and quite frankly we look absolutely nailed on to be relegated.

I don’t think Wilder has improved us much at all, yes Selles had to go but the reappointment of Wilder looks an absolute disaster.

50 points look light years away for this squad, I know people, are hoping we are not to far adrift come The January Transfer window and we can fix things then but I remember this is the same management and recruitment team that messed up last January so I have no confidence at all they will get it right this time, and it won’t be long before the debate begins whether Wilder is the right man to get us back from League one at the first attempt.

Glad its the International break now and United won’t be ruining another weekend for a bit.
See Sitwell! He thinks we will be fine 🙂
 
If playing the result is being critical of us losing every week (3 league wins in half a year!) then yeah, guilty as charged!

Playing the result = some people feel a certain way so I'll play to it.

In reality last 2 weeks have not been too bad, today especially we should have won. I wonder how your scores would have differed if we had scored a penalty.

And that's where, really, youre playing to the miserable crowd. Not that you need much of an excuse 😉
 
Playing the result = some people feel a certain way so I'll play to it.

In reality last 2 weeks have not been too bad, today especially we should have won. I wonder how your scores would have differed if we had scored a penalty.

And that's where, really, youre playing to the miserable crowd. Not that you need much of an excuse 😉

Or we've lost, played crap against an awful side who've shipped goals all season but rarely tested till last few mins, so I've offered an honest assessment. I admire your positivity but the last 2 weeks have been only marginally better than under Selles. It's not about playing to any crowd. I just call it as I see it.

Hard not to be miserable when we have lost 9 in 10 games I'm sorry to say.
 

Agree with your report today and most weeks. You have good insights which you put over in nice short pithy statements. Enjoy reading your reports each week. You bring clarity to what I was struggling to make clear to myself.
 
Goes against the grain and what I've thought of his performances so far but McGuiness was decent yesterday. In fact I thought the back 3 plus McCallum were all decent enough.

From where I was sat it was hard to get a decent perspective on how much room McCallum allowed their winger for the goal but outside of that he was by far our best player in the first half and many around us were a bit bewildered when we subbed him off.

I was as disappointed as many immediately afterwards but on reflection it wasn't a terrible away performance. The lack of chance creation is worrying but we certainly did enough for a point at the very least.

One or two of their fans on the way out wondered how/why we were bottom but we'd just lost to them and I felt they were awful so that probably tells you why!
 
It was a standard, cautious away performance under Wilder, and unfortunately we lost out by the odd goal. It's better than it was under Selles but based on what we saw last season with a much better squad, I'm not sure a huge amount of attacking improvement is guaranteed.

We have 3 points from 9 games and keep giving up big chances from shocking defending, and not taking the few chances we do create. Scoring 0 against a team as shaky as that isn't a good sign. We only had 7 shots, 1 on target in the first 85 minutes. 3 shots, 0 on target from the 40th to the 85th minute despite being 1-0 down in a must win game. It took desperation attacking and Hull clinging on for anything to happen.

A bit better than Selles, competitive with a poor Hull team might not be enough to dig out of this hole.
 
Selecting Tom Cannon for the match day squad is now beyond stupid, it can only be down stubbornness as it’s clear the fans don’t want him in the side and it’s looks just as obvious to me he’d rather not be here.

Put him on gardening leave and sell him at the first opportunity In January for a nominal fee, he is currently a massive albatross around the clubs neck.
In fairness, no manager will drop because 'it is clear than fans don't want him in the side'.

However, Wilder does have to take responsibility for signing him and not playing a style that suits him( if there is one...and if not why was he signed)
 
I said after the Southampton game that we would have probably got something against a team with less quality. Sadly yesterday proved I was wrong. Hull were bang average at best and we got a break with the penalty but still got nothing. Yes we had a lot of possession but it is mostly pointless 5 yard passes that have no positive impact. Defensively we at least we don't look like conceding 3 or 4 every game any more but one is enough to see us off as we rarely look like scoring. As someone once said a team that doesn't score goals will not win matches. This side has got relegation written all over it and we have to accept it will be an uphill struggle to stay up and the odds are not looking good.. Chris can say the formation is not the problem but 3 goals in 9 games and very few chances created suggest otherwise.

We have two weeks to try and sort this mess out before the next game. I think we have to have a system that has 2 strikers from the start as none are cable of playing a loan striker role and there are no goal threats (Hamer apart) anywhere else in the team. I would start with Campbell or Ings with Cannon (yes I know but he has the least impact of the bench of all our strikers and we are limited for choice) with One and Ings or Campbell to then come off the bench.
 
The Sky Sports commentators said that Hull had not kept a clean sheet in the last 25 games.

Then up steps Sheffield United.

Too many weak, small players, I'm afraid. Hull were pretty crap, 30% possession, but we couldn't put them to the sword.

Campbell up front, alone, is not working, so why persist with it?, at one point, the ball was punted up field, and Campbell was first to it, out wide, up in the corner to the left of the Hull goal (as you face it), with virtually all our players in our own half. He got the ball, turned round, and there is no one there, no one running into their box.

Not sure where we go from here, other than League One.

As I said in the "are we in a relegation battle" thread, these players, on paper, are too good to be relegated, but we are where we are, rock bottom and looking like we won't win a game from now until the end of the season.

I just hope to God that there are some decent, free signings out there, players with some experience, coming to the end of their careers who can come in and help get us to 4th from bottom.
 
I think that we should have a core of Cooper, Mee, Davies, Hamer and Ings. The rest are pretty much interchangeable, with possibly, Peck, Taranga and Ogbene and O’Hare on the fringe of that group. You could see from the passing of Hamer into Ings that the two of them will create chances if on the pitch for long enough.
McCallum surprised me yesterday, just by the fact that he made a number of accurate passes, which he normally doesn’t.
October is a big month now, time to reset the team, if Wilder is capable of that, and then some winnable games
 
United – Another game, another defeat, and another performance where for the most part we looked clueless when we entered the opposition half. We were not outplayed and another day the penalty goes in and we get out with a draw but we missed it which is poor play – not unlucky. For most of the game I was totally bored by how we played, we took forever to move it up the field and then when we got there, we never really looked like we might trouble the keeper unless Hamer took a shot.



Indeed, Hamer was the only player who looked a threat really (Ogbene few flashes apart) and without him, we would not have come close to scoring till the late scramble/penalty. We simply have no idea what to do when we get over half way. We have no movement; we are stagnant and look like we are scared to pass/penetrate forwards. Wilder says it was not the tactics why we lost which really concerns me? We had a lot of the ball and after the break they sat back but did nothing to hurt them till those late moments at the end. Defensively we were ok I suppose but then switched off on the goal and could have conceded another after more poor slack play and McBurnie got in. Hull are a very ordinary side and a decent side puts them away. They have some slow, immobile players themselves and not sure they are a side that really stretches you or hurts you but did what they had to do in order to win – getting the goal and then defending with relative comfort – till the last few minutes.



We could and should have got a draw but we did not. The Sky pundits said Hull deserved to win for doing the things that a team needed to and suppose they are right. It is ok saying we could have done this or that but we did not. Wilder talking about margins but we keep losing 1-0. Last year a lot said it cannot be lucky when we keep winning 1-0 but conversely perhaps you say we cannot be unlucky when we keep losing similarly tight games? The reality is we nicked a lot of close games last year but we never really dominated many teams and now the margins are dropping the other way. With some key men moving on and being replaced by inferior players – we now have further regressed.



Stats (XG/Possession) are pointless if you do not win and I will counter we have been 2nd best in those statistical areas all season today – if we were not perhaps today. The players look completely drained of any confidence and they are slow and often second to the ball – as Sky remarked about our fitness. I thought we were largely clueless and even though the counter is, Hull were not better – as Wilder said it is about winning games and creating big moments. We did not and this teams are increasingly looking like a pitiful set of losers. I have seen a few say it was an ok performance but I thought we were largely passive and got what we deserved. The late scramble/pen kind of makes it look like we were unlucky but for most of the game we were pathetic (as I say Hull not much better which makes it worse)



I am not saying they do not care but some look like they would rather not be there – they seem very accepting of the fate. Selles rightly got slammed but now we have Wilder who was supposed to galvanise and lift them and we have not seen much improvements really to my eye? Sure, we have had a few more chances but we look incapable of fashioning many meaningful attacks, let alone chance or goals. 2 goals in 9 games is a joke and the players should be totally ashamed. The new signings for the most part (Tanganga done ok/Ings caused a few problems) have not improved us at all and seemed to be just panic signings and likes of McGuinness and Matos look like League One players – which is where they could be heading.



The talk of playoffs a few games ago can be firmly consigned to the bin. Mid table looks fanciful to the extreme. We now need to just somehow get enough points to stay in this league. The rot has firmly set in but I believe it was long before the managerial change at the end of the season. The performances were mostly poor and after that Coventry win (where we battered a side now leading the league and miles ahead of us seemingly) we became even more cautious than we had after Xmas and our form/results fell off. We have won 3 in 16 league games (2 were dead rubbers essentially v Cardiff/Stoke) and lost 12 of these. TWELVE defeats in 17. The form at the end of the season was a team that was of one that should have been closer to going down than going up. That is why all the 92 (it’s 90 – we cheated so rightly got docked 2 points) points is kind of not relevant as recency of form shows we really were falling off. I still feel Wilder should have been given another go but I am not sure we would have got much better than a 5th/6th place and even that would have been a stretch. Our form and all the stats suggested if we carried on, with less quality in the squad it might be just over half way.



No-one expected us to be a relegation scrap but we are 100% are. Selles was a disaster and I think we thought we would see some upsurge from Wilder but we have not really – we got a win I suppose but the performances have not been that much better. Take out the Ipswich debacle and every other games has been similar under both managers. Opposition gets in front; we create nothing and show no real urgency to get back in games and meekly lose out. I am not convinced Wilder had a plan B attacking wise. Maybe he tries 2 up front now but you still need players who can gamble, try, and pass and move, dribble, and actually cross a ball from wide areas with accuracy. We are not even doing the basics but seem almost terrified to try and attack. The confidence thing will be thrown at them but we looked like this post Easter too? Wilder will remain now no matter what (they would not dare sack him again I am sure unless they go on an even bigger losing streak than Selles- which is possible) but I am concerned he is a bit of spent force and has no idea (him or his coaches) on how to progress the ball up the field, how to make chances and how to make us a dynamic attacking side? I hope I am wrong but I just do not see it. We can change players and granted a load are out of form and deserve to be dropped now- even just to send a message (did it with Burrows and surely Peck, Campbell, O’Hare should be taken out now?) but the reality is that we have little behind them either? I am struggling to see where the goals and points are coming from at all. The way we play is so ingrained, it is hard to get out of this and for all the Selles has destroyed what we had – as I say I am not sure we really had much as we ended the season looking not dissimilar. The Bristol City games (where they were better side until we scored/red card) kind of masked what we were doing – the red card effectively settled the tie.



I will say the recruitment has been poor (McGuinness, Chong, Matos, Barry, Bindon are not up to this level) but then January was really bad too (Cannon, Clarke, BBD) so we have major issues with this side of the club – regardless of the critique that stands about the coaching and in particular the way the players are coached to attack.



We will see how they respond after the international break but I see nothing in the manager (sorry for all the Wilder fans who were so enthused about him coming back) and players to suggest they can suddenly turn this around? We look absolutely shot. Those pinning their hopes on January need to realise that it could be too late if things carry on and also those previous windows. Sorry to be so downcast and maybe lots will be negative but when you have the form we have had since Easter – with the Playoff final bottle job thrown into the mix which has accelerated the decline even more – it is hard to be positive. 8 defeats in 9 and the worst record of any clubs in the whole football league pyramid means I have to say how I see it and will not try and sugarcoat or spin things. Wilder said it himself – we are losing games of football every week. The management/coaches (Selles and Wilder) and players have failed to do an effective job this season (and the end of last) and sadly deserve all the criticism they get. Fans will attend the next home game and will try and get behind them and give them that fresh start – as they rightly should every game – but I think the patience is wearing thin with many.









Ratings:



Cooper 6/10 – No chance on the goal. Another poor kick out early on but he did what he had to first half and left exposed really on the goal. After the break he made a decent save from McBurnie on the one on one. Both keepers had little to do all game with few chances of note.



Ogbene 5/10 – Our main attacking threat first half as he set up the two Hamer chances and was able to at least penetrate and run at his men. Sadly, despite being impressive he switched off defensively at a crucial moment (might have been a penalty if it had not gone in as he had his hand up) as he left him completely unmarked. After the break faded badly and saw very little of him at all as an attacking force. Some terrible crosses too looped to the keeper.



McCallum 4.5/10 – Not shocked Burrows was left out as despite people pointing to his stats being ok – I am not sure that he has been very good this season and defensively been a real issue not stopping crosses. McCallum was given a chance but he is hardly an inspiring replacement. He did ok at times with his forward play but then started to leave big gaps and lost his man completely and on the goal again failed to get close to stopping a cross. He does try and get about but lacks quality. Comes to something when he has been preferred to Burrows and is as bad but will probably keep his place.



Mee 4.5/10 –He was beaten by Slater on Hull’s first chance and not sure he looked quite as steady as he has been and did not read the game as well as the first two games. Not sure he looked as steady as he has done in other games really. He also made the howler that led to McBurnie’s chance.



McGuiness 5/10 – Looks a poor player. Defensively he is slow to react to stuff and gets turned too easily. A big bloke who is seemingly awful in the air – he gets smaller if anything? He seems to shrink. When he goes up for corners never seems to get near the ball. However, he did make two blocks and despite some hurried clearances and slices – he was probably better than Mee today.



Tanganga 5/10 – After his impressive first few games, he has started to regress but I would point to all the mess around him. Not sure he suited to be a wide centre back and we have not seem him be able to attack the ball as much from out wide. He did at least throw his body in a few times and get some tackles but he got badly beaten by Giles near the end.



Matos 3.5/10 – Largely anonymous. Supposed to be a midfield ratter who runs around but rarely did I see him pressing or tackling? I forgot he was playing for most of the game. He did make one tackle second half where he used some aggression but the few times he had the ball his passing was wretched often overhit or too soft. Technically he looks miles off even Championship standard to me – which is mad when he was with Chelsea but we saw this with Gilchrist who had the same struggles.



Peck 4/10 – Another disappointing show. Had a fair bit of the ball but takes way too much touches and slows play down. Had another good chance that he missed – what a surprise. The midfield actually began ok but as the game went on, he started to see less of it. He at least got more involved than Matos but we never seemed to pass the ball forward and he takes an age to do things. We improved after he went off. Needs a spell out of the side for me. Soumare might not be great but deserves a chance alongside Davies.



Hamer 6.5/10 – He has had a poor season but today at least he showed a threat with the two efforts first half (the one that hit the post was unlucky) and set up Peck for the header. Second half carries on with him being the only real threat as he had the two shots – one over and one saved. He was the one looking to thread the ball down and try and make things happen. A few poor passes I agree but he at least went forward. I have panned him a lot this season but he did try today and felt he had little help.



O’Hare 2/10 – Given a fair bit of the ball today – heard some say he has been starved of it as we do not go down the centre but today he did see the ball but did nothing with it. Got crowded out, had poor touches and just looked lost. Stupid booking. Weak and ineffectual and another in a big list that needs to be taken out of the team -sadly we have nothing in reserve. Second half, lost the ball and then foolishly pulled his man back and was booked. Then disappeared completely and I forgot he was even playing when he went off. Been largely awful this season and looks a player feeling sorry for himself.



Campbell 3/10 – Had very few touches. Couple of ok runs down the side apart, he seemed to avoid physical contact again, failed to hold it up and no goal threat at all really. Had a chance 2nd half but took a heavy touch. Well off the pace. We were much better when Ings came on as he at least moved off the ball and held it up a bit. Maybe we could play them both together but Campbell cannot complain if he is dropped – saw some improvement in the week but very little today. Little service but again he has to move to provide an outlet.



Subs -



Davies 5/10 – Came on and at least did try and get on it and some forward passes but things did not come off for him either. He is better than the two that started but again the fitness issues remain.



Ings 6/10 - He looked lively and won a few flicks and then clever play to get the penalty. Needs to start the next game but worry is if he can actually stay fit or last more than 60 minutes but we need to do something different up the top. We improved after him and Davies came on.



Burrows 2/10 – Dropped but comes on and has a moment to try and get us a point and completely messed it up. Another whose confidence looks shot. He was our designated penalty taker and scored them all last season so the argument for him to take is strong but might have been a bit cold and lacking confidence as dropped. Easy to say let Hamer or Ings take it – as that is just hindsight so would not criticise Wilder for this. He then just stopped even challenging or running when Crooks got away at the end.



Cannon 2/10 – Touched it twice. One shot blocked and a flicked header. Nothing else and do not know why we are even playing him at this stage? We need to just take him out of the squad and get him out on loan in January. To think we are going to be stuck with him for 4 more years!



Ings – He looked lively and won a few flicks and then clever play to get the penalty. Needs to start the next game but worry is if he can actually stay fit or last more than 60 minutes but we need to do something different up the top.



Barry – Came on, got the ball wide and I thought go on, have a go, but he sent a looping cross behind the goal. Another dreadful signing that looks way off it.



Manager: Wilder 3/10 – I thought we may see a real response from the team after he come on but it has been largely the same really – even the biggest Wilder fans can only say it has been a marginal improvement. In terms of today, not sure how he can say the game was not lost tactically at all? We did lack quality in the final third and our crossing/choices were poor of course but we do not have any idea how to progress it up the field or how to hurt opponents – it is more than just individual poor choices and the structure of the side is all wrong – granted players are playing poorly of course. He was very critical of the players after the game and once again did not examine what he and the coaches could do different – saying he cannot go out there and do it. I listened to his pre match presser (gushing about McBurnie for 5 mins and criticising Selles for not bringing him back) and then his post-match and thought he has not changed. I am not convinced he is anywhere near the same manager he was and that he has the ability or staff around him (coaches and players – although as bad as they are – they should not even be contemplating relegation but the rot has set in and now they are showing they are a set of spineless losers) and that is a major concern. He has to do something drastic or his reign this time might not even last the season out (of course they would not sack him any time soon and would be stupid to do so unless they lose like every game for the next 8 or 9 up to Xmas!).
The job of a striker is to score so we need to fire the Cannon; he never scores. Campbell needs to sharpen up and get involved. Tyrese, you want the ball and want to get it forward with your forwards; the idea is to score.
Why did we let Choudhury go back to Leicester? He and Peck would be good together. We have to have a Choudhury type player in front of the back 4 (or3). We have not adequately replaced Anel and Robbo, can we try again please?
Can we get some new owners who understand the game of football and what is needed?
DB--great report, bang on the money.
 
The job of a striker is to score so we need to fire the Cannon; he never scores. Campbell needs to sharpen up and get involved. Tyrese, you want the ball and want to get it forward with your forwards; the idea is to score.
Why did we let Choudhury go back to Leicester? He and Peck would be good together. We have to have a Choudhury type player in front of the back 4 (or3). We have not adequately replaced Anel and Robbo, can we try again please?
Can we get some new owners who understand the game of football and what is needed?
DB--great report, bang on the money.
Choudary is Leicesters player, therefore the only way we get him back is to pay big money for him. Based on what I saw last season he's not a big money or big wage player
 
It feels like the squad has been constructed by someone playing Champ Manager 1999/00 for the first time.

Just lots of players that MIGHT increase in value and hardly any consideration to experience or physicality.

I’d be looking to the experienced lads after the break, as long as they can stay fit.

If you have a slightly fitter Mee, Davies and Ings as the spine, there seems a little more know how there.

If you’re playing 3-4-3 then perhaps have Seriki as the right hand side of the four and let Ogbene attack as the right most of the front 3 and bench O’Hare.

Ogbene, Hamer and Ings is at least an experienced forward line.

I still worry at to who partners Davies. Let’s be kind to Peck. He’s still young. He’s played a lot of games in a short space of time. He could do with rest and rotation. Yet we’ve got just two inexperienced options in Soumaré and Matos. If you trust Hamer there, then who replaces him? The inexperienced Barry.

At least when we had Moore we had a bit of know how up front.

Or perhaps you play 3-5-2, perhaps toss a coin between Ogbene and Seriki and have Ings and Campbell and try to get a pairing to work?

It’s difficult because the physicality has been removed. Maybe Sellés could have gotten away with that sort of line up in Spain but not in the Championship. He three of his tallest players and didn’t really properly replace the height.
 

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