How (un)popular would a Wilder return be?

[redandwhitewizard]

I can't see us pushing the boat out or able to attract a better candidate so it's better the devil you know. I do hope he changes the system though.

 

[FTPE]

How so? 5 years ago maybe, but not most recently. We need succession planning, driving the club forward is not having one man in control of everything, whereby when that person leaves, wholesale structural changes are needed

He was one season into a rebuild. He hadn't fully built his first team let alone squad. Why would he try and build a succession plan 1year in when he was planning for 3 or 4?

 

[Bladeaway]

It frustrates me that as a club we seem incapable of moving on from him but at the same time he remains the best placed person to run the club given the structures it is defined by.

Exactly this.

We should take him back for 1-2 years but be seriously planning to modernise and make a real proper succession plan.

He’s not the guy to establish us in the PL. but he’s probably the best option to get us there, especially without serious organisational change that will take years.

And, if he himself is able to grow and develop with us, there’s still a possibility it could work out in the longer term.

 

[ancientblade]

Today i am for him to return but he needs to cut out his childish behaviour and 100% the discipline of the team it was shocking last season and also a new back room staff with new ideas

well i was a big wilder fan up to last season with the boring football he played yes we got to play off final but i thought it was the correct decision to sack him and i have to agree here if he does come back he has to cut out all the nonsense on social media pissed up and embarrasing himself and the club

 

[Frank the tank]

Fecking embarrassing for club if they bring him back again.

How bad would it have to be to get shut a fourth time.

Absolute joke they are considering it and unprofessional talking about it before they’ve cleaned up their latest mess by clarifying Sellés situation.

Feckin armatures trying to flip a fast buck

Can't agree with that
Don't compound an error by making further errors to cover up for your initial one
It's one of the first rules of common sense
Also shows a lot of character to admit you were wrong and fix it rather than try and save face

 

[Wards]

Would take him back in a DoF role if he's learnt to relinquish some responsibilities. Get the structure right and we can move forward. Until then it'll be a case of rinse and repeat.

 

[Millhousesblade1889]

And we're not a laughing stock already??????

Results wise yes, behind the scenes I guess so….why add to that?

There’s plenty of others that could come in with a fresh impetus. Rohl, Dyche (unlikely), Carrick, solskjaer all keep us up. I’m sure you & I can pick fault with them all but we’ve been there & done that with Wilder let’s move on.

 

[PrestwichBlade]

Its EXCALY the limit of my expectations.
And if you think a Gary O'Neil or Rohl is going to make us the next Brighton, crack on, because you'll be disappointed for a hell of a long time.

When did I mention them?

 

[MartBlade]

Today i am for him to return but he needs to cut out his childish behaviour and 100% the discipline of the team it was shocking last season and also a new back room staff with new ideas

He can be as childish as he likes (not that I think he does anything most blokes don’t) … he’s a football manager and just happens to be the best the Blades have had in my lifetime. His behaviour on his own time counts for nothing. Players seem to love him, which is far more important.

 

[Working Class Hero]

I don’t think Wilder can ever take the club forward beyond the levels where it’s been recently as a championship to occasional premier league yo-yo club.

No manager that's available to us is ever likely to achieve anything more than that, unless we find some billionaire owners/investors. In fact, the only person that has even come close in these modern, money orientated times, is Chris Wilder.

We probably need to be a yo-yo team first, and then try to break in to the Premier League. We were part way down that path until a couples of months ago, and most people would back Wilder as having a better chance than most to at least continue that process in the short term. We're currently an absolute shambles going in completely the opposite direction! If we pick any available manager at the moment, there is a much higher chance that we end up being stuck in the Championship for years, rather than getting to the Premier League. If we stick with Selles, League One is the most likely destination.

 

[Brownieblade]

The reason I was happy to move on from Wilder is I wanted a manager who could take us up and keep us up and build from there

I don’t think Wilder is that manager anymore, I think he could get us up as could most managers given a good season

I want the next manager to be someone who can keep us up so it’s a no from me

 

[Gin&Juice]

 

[vas borbokis]

There are far too many pillocks on here that can't and won't admit that we were and would be far better with wilder at the helm than we are now and are likely to be with COH's next pick.
Suck it up and stop denying the obvious that we were in very good hands till they chucked wilder on the bonfire.
There isn't a big list of managers to pick from that could get us back on track. Dyche about the only one, and he likely doesn't want or need the project.

 

[luffenhamblade]

The reason I was happy to move on from Wilder is I wanted a manager who could take us up and keep us up and build from there

I don’t think Wilder is that manager anymore, I think he could get us up as could most managers given a good season

I want the next manager to be someone who can keep us up so it’s a no from me

Ok but you can only say that with a clear idea of someone available who could do better and unless you are one of those who can’t forgive Wilder then I can only see Nuno and the Stockport lad doing that and the view seems to be that’s not happening which makes CW the best option doesn’t it?

 

[ben1987]

No manager that's available to us is ever likely to achieve anything more than that, unless we find some billionaire owners/investors. In fact, the only person that has even come close in these modern, money orientated times, is Chris Wilder.

We probably need to be a yo-yo team first, and then try to break in to the Premier League. We were part way down that path until a couples of months ago, and most people would back Wilder as having a better chance than most to at least continue that process in the short term. We're currently an absolute shambles going in completely the opposite direction! If we pick any available manager at the moment, there is a much higher chance that we end up being stuck in the Championship for years, rather than getting to the Premier League. If we stick with Selles, League One is the most likely destination.

I don’t want to stick with Selles. We’re a mess. It’s not all of his doing but he doesn’t appear versatile or strong enough to turn us around.

Just if wilder does come back and we get promoted again, then we can realistically expect a repeat of the last few times we’ve been up and a few more Brewster, McBurnie and Cannons to add to the collection.

I don’t think one man and a few of his trusted pals can run every layer of a top flight football team anymore. The job is vast.

Wilder might be the answer in the short term because none of the realistic alternatives such as Carrick or Rohl inspire me with any confidence what so ever but we bring him back and potentially find ourselves in this exact position with him again in 1/2/3 years time.

 

[Bladesdoc]

Rob Staton on radio 5 with Mark Chapmsn saying very good chance it’s going to happen

 

[JustLookin]

I live outside the UK so don't get to many games, but I have hospitality tickets to an upcoming match. If we go back in for Wilder, I'd cancel. I want us to move forward, and I don't think we can do that by constantly looking back. I don't want to be a part of financing that. Selles is obviously not the answer, and I don't know who is - but I feel sure that Chris Wilder is also not.

 

[chrisd]

How has he not been sacked this morning

 

[PrestwichBlade]

He was one season into a rebuild. He hadn't fully built his first team let alone squad. Why would he try and build a succession plan 1year in when he was planning for 3 or 4?

It shouldn't be him doing it full stop

 

[The Bohemian]

Fecking embarrassing for club if they bring him back again.

How bad would it have to be to get shut a fourth time.

Absolute joke they are considering it and unprofessional talking about it before they’ve cleaned up their latest mess by clarifying Sellés situation.

Feckin armatures trying to flip a fast buck

Or smart people big enough to acknowledge they’ve made an error?

 

[Swannyblade]

I’ve voted yes, but I would vote the same way if offered Dyche or Carrick or O’Neil or Mousinho or Challinor or old Doris from down the road.
It’s got so bad that any alternative is better than what we have.
I’d rather stay away from Wilder if there’s an equally capable alternative. I don’t believe that this club is not capable of functioning without Wilder at the helm, I just think the board made the wrong appointment in the summer.
I’d also rather stay away from the inevitable circus that would accompany the appointment of Rohl. The man would be under an obscene amount of pressure before a ball had been kicked and we could really do without that given the position we find ourselves in.
I’d rather have calm, competent and capable now.

 

[Working Class Hero]

I don’t want to stick with Selles. We’re a mess. It’s not all of his doing but he doesn’t appear versatile or strong enough to turn us around.

Just if wilder does come back and we get promoted again, then we can realistically expect a repeat of the last few times we’ve been up and a few more Brewster, McBurnie and Cannons to add to the collection.

I don’t think one man and a few of his trusted pals can run every layer of a top flight football team anymore. The job is vast.

Wilder might be the answer in the short term because none of the realistic alternatives such as Carrick or Rohl inspire me with any confidence what so ever but we bring him back and potentially find ourselves in this exact position with him again in 1/2/3 years time.

No one wants Selles mate (well maybe 2 or 3 oddballs judging by the poll on here today). My point was that Premier League isn't even on the cards at the moment, so the future that you describe under Wilder is a bloody good option. Who knows, he might even do better than that, he's done it before, would presumably be working under a different structure by then, may have different levels of investment (and hopefully no pandemic!). But if not, that's fine, you could even sack him at the point we get relegated and there wouldn't be anything like the division that his last sacking caused.

Ripping everything up and hoping for that once in a lifetime manager that could keep us in the Premier League was, and still is, mental. Especially with the options that are out there (except maybe Dyche but I'd be incredibly surprised if he was interested). I'm not even sure that manager exists without a billionaire owner.

 

[Brownieblade]

Ok but you can only say that with a clear idea of someone available who could do better and unless you are one of those who can’t forgive Wilder then I can only see Nuno and the Stockport lad doing that and the view seems to be that’s not happening which makes CW the best option doesn’t it?

I don’t really need to have a clear idea of someone better, there are always numerous reasons why someone works out somewhere and someone doesn’t work out

I have choices I would take over wilder but I’m basing my opinion on wilder on my experience of him being here and his record with other championship clubs

I think Wilder could easily spend the next decade maintaining us as a championship club, I think my choices would also achieve that, I just think they might not have such a cautious approach

Not sure why you consider the Stockport lad as any more of a gurantee either

 

[Mumbo]

What success did it bring?

If your only criteria for success which incidentally depends entirely on points acheived
is to win the prem title then you support the wrong club and you’ll never be happy with S.U.F.C If on the other hand competing at the top of the champ with the odd promotion thrown in, finishing 9th(incredible success) and feeling part of a great club which brings people together and being proud to support it is your definition of success then you may just have a smile on your face

 

[dexter101]

Whether it's the right or wrong option so many things need to genuinely line up for this to happen:

Americans need to openly admit they were wrong (can't see that happening)

Wilder would have to actually want to return to take back his side but without lots of the players that were his.

It would make me chuckle though if he came back played 4-3-3 and played aggressive "vertical" football and smashed the league

 

[pedro]

Bringing Wilder back would be a short term fix. Results will improve (they have to) maybe we push for top 6, but do we not end up in exactly the same position? Wilder’s done as much as he can with us, we know his limits.

It’s ridiculous to think only one manager can manage this club & group of players. Selles is clearly not up to it, but that doesn’t mean only Wilder is.

Please tell me who else?

 

[Silky Sabella]

Half the team are Ruben Selles players, and signed for the club to play for him. There is no way they would be happy with the tactics of the dinosaur.

 

[blades_95]

Please tell me who else?

Don’t ask me mate, I thought Selles was an exciting appointment!

Just because Selles has been a nightmare, I don’t think that means we were wrong to want a change from Wilder and shouldn’t just ignore the issues from last season. It’s going over old ground but performances were poor for most of the season, we didn’t lay a glove on Leeds/Burnley and were outplayed numerous times by poor sides (Plymouth & Preston immediately spring to mind). We were a tough watch, unfit & we arguably had stronger players (including those Wilder was backed with in January) and didn’t get promoted.

I’m just not sure if any of that will change 3 months later with Wilder?

 

[djbaldken]

There is no way they would be happy with the tactics of the dinosaur.

Are you suggesting they are happy with the tactics of this young up coming forward thinking dynamic manager?
If they are they must be delirious with the success they are currently showing.

 

[djbaldken]

Just because Selles has been a nightmare, I don’t think that means we were wrong to want a change from Wilder and shouldn’t just ignore the issues from last season. It’s going over old ground but performances were poor for most of the season, we didn’t lay a glove on Leeds/Burnley and were outplayed numerous times by poor sides (Plymouth & Preston immediately spring to mind). We were a tough watch

Selles just hasn't been a nightmare, he's been a total disaster!
COH got two vital decisions wrong. They sacked Wilder!
You say performances were poor most of the season. Yet we got 92 points from (in your opinion) poor performances. It's true we didn't lay a glove on Leeds and Burnley, but neither did most teams in the championship. Yes we lost to sides we didn't expect to lose to. That happens, it's called football.
COH s second vital wrong decision was setting Selles on.
To me it shows how far out of touch of the English game they are.
Whoever we get in, (I personally would be happy to have Wilder back) it can only be a vast improvement on Selles.