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In other breaking news chopping and changing really doesn't do you any good.
 
The thing with us is you have to fire your manager if you appoint a crap one.

The only case of being trigger happy was removing Blackwell after just two league games, which was followed by a season of utter chaos and five years of regression in the league.
 
Punk Blade said:
The thing with us is you have to fire your manager if you appoint a crap one.

The only case of being trigger happy was removing Blackwell after just two league games, which was followed by a season of utter chaos and five years of regression in the league.
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I'd say sacking Wilson was pure desperation but I agree otherwise.
 
Blackwell - defensible, but terrible timing
Speed - he left us
Adams - deserved canning
Wilson - bad decision at the worst time IMHO
Weir - see Adams

So it's 4 sackings, and there were good reasons for 3 in my view.
 
Grecian2000 said:
Indeed, 15 months too late. Twat.

Spoiled my day again Rev, is there a Helios thread on the horizon?
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There will be no need to mention Helios once Steven Davies gets here....Helios is like an ever present at the side of him.
 
Grecian2000 said:
Indeed, 15 months too late. Twat.
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This - Useless manager took on what was still a strong squad and systematically destroyed it, clearly undermined players but only those with talent.
 
Paulus said:
This - Useless manager took on what was still a strong squad and systematically destroyed it, clearly undermined players but only those with talent.
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Im sure he didnt want to destroy it though did he?

blackwell did ok, he had one of the better points per game ratio out of all our managers but just had to happened to have his team sold from under him.

Certinly not a twat
 
Erad said:
I'd say sacking Wilson was pure desperation but I agree otherwise.
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Ah yes, I had overlooked Wilson in my comment. The timing was ridiculous, but I don't think he'd have taken us up that year had he seen out the season, and on the face of it two failed promotion attempts wasn't really good enough.

He can count himself the unluckiest manager of all time with his first season's effort though.
 
Ted Danson said:
Im sure he didnt want to destroy it though did he?

blackwell did ok, he had one of the better points per game ratio out of all our managers but just had to happened to have his team sold from under him.

Certinly not a twat
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Keith Gillespie, Billy Sharp and David Cotterill apparently think otherwise...

Blackwell certainly had a great defence sold out from under him, but some of his man management left a lot to be desired, and his summer signings in 2010 were a disaster almost to a man (Bogdanovic, Britton, Ertl, Calve, Simon Walton...)
 
Revolution said:
Keith Gillespie, Billy Sharp and David Cotterill apparently think otherwise...

Blackwell certainly had a great defence sold out from under him, but some of his man management left a lot to be desired, and his summer signings in 2010 were a disaster almost to a man (Bogdanovic, Britton, Ertl, Calve, Simon Walton...)
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Speed signed Calve.

You can throw in Kozluk though.
 
Revolution said:
Keith Gillespie, Billy Sharp and David Cotterill apparently think otherwise...

Blackwell certainly had a great defence sold out from under him, but some of his man management left a lot to be desired, and his summer signings in 2010 were a disaster almost to a man (Bogdanovic, Britton, Ertl, Calve, Simon Walton...)
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All managers seem to have falling out with players though, look at Clough now with Butler and Collins, Fergie with Beckham etc. Out of those 3 gillepie was too big for his boots and I had no problem with getting rid of the other 2.

Were his signings shit because he was given no budget?
 



Revolution said:
Keith Gillespie, Billy Sharp and David Cotterill apparently think otherwise...

Blackwell certainly had a great defence sold out from under him, but some of his man management left a lot to be desired, and his summer signings in 2010 were a disaster almost to a man (Bogdanovic, Britton, Ertl, Calve, Simon Walton...)
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Britton only played three times for Blackwell before he was sacked.
Paying nothing for a player who has since performed to a consistently high standard in The Premiership.
I wouldn't call signing him a disaster more the the failure of Speed and Adamss to get the best out of him.
 
Sothall_Blade said:
Britton only played three times for Blackwell before he was sacked.
Paying nothing for a player who has since performed to a consistently high standard in The Premiership.
I wouldn't call signing him a disaster more the the failure of Speed and Adamss to get the best out of him.
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It was a poor signing in that Britton was a very poor fit for the team. We had a whole midfield of small players who never scored or created anything.

And it's not worth debating, but it's the Emperor's New Clothes with Britton as far as I'm concerned. Passing 10 yards or less in your own half? Waste of a shirt.
 
Revolution said:
It was a poor signing in that Britton was a very poor fit for the team. We had a whole midfield of small players who never scored or created anything.
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The midfield he chose in his only two league games that season was Ward, Montgomery, Britton, S.Quinn
That looks like a decent creative, midfield to me. Three out of the four went on to much better things.
You can't blame Blackwell for the failure to get the best out of them that season when he only had two matches
(His two matches being a defeat to the eventual champions and an away draw at 4th placed Cardiff)

By all means blame him for the "failure" of the previous two seasons when we finished 3rd and 8th in The Championship.
 
Sothall_Blade said:
The midfield he chose in his only two league games that season was Ward, Montgomery, Britton, S.Quinn
That looks like a decent creative, midfield to me. Three out of the four went on to much better things.
You can't blame Blackwell for the failure to get the best out of them that season when he only had two matches.

By all means blame him for the "failure" of the previous two seasons when we finished 3rd and 8th in The Championship.
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They were all small. No physicality at all.
Ward spent all season sulking before sale. Scored one goal.
Quinn was in his Elpiton phase.
Monty and Britton created next to nothing. Britton had 1 assist in half a season. Neither scored.

That midfield gave us very little in the way of goalscoring opportunities. If you doubt that, look at out results. This is fact, not revisionism.
 
Revolution said:
They were all small. No physicality at all.
Ward spent all season sulking before sale. Scored one goal.
Quinn was in his Elpiton phase.
Monty and Britton created next to nothing. Britton had 1 assist in half a season. Neither scored.

That midfield gave us very little in the way of goalscoring opportunities. If you doubt that, look at out results. This is fact, not revisionism.
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I don't doubt the results or facts.
I doubt the fact that Blackwell can be blamed for good players underperforming in a team he wasn't the manager of.

Incidentally, Britton's one and only assist was in the first game v Cardiff when Blackwell was in charge.
 
Sothall_Blade said:
I don't doubt the results or facts.
I doubt the fact that Blackwell can be blamed for good players underperforming in a team he wasn't the manager of.
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He can be blamed for signing Britton, who was not going to offer anything except more scrappy midgetdom. That was my point.
 
Revolution said:
He can be blamed for signing Britton, who was not going to offer anything except more scrappy midgetdom. That was my point.
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Nearly 100 Premiership appearances since he left us suggest that your point is wrong but let's agree to disagree.
 
Ted Danson said:
Were his signings shit because he was given no budget?
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No. He spent £2m on Henderson. Pound for pound the biggest waste of money in club history.
He then constantly dropped Cotterill, the one player in the squad who could have supplied the big lump with proper service, for auxilliary full backs (Halford mainly) and went big boot (he's not called Hoofy for nothing) and turned us into a dismal side to watch.

Twat, as I've already said on this thread.
 
Grecian2000 said:
No. He spent £2m on Henderson. Pound for pound the biggest waste of money in club history.
He then constantly dropped Cotterill, the one player in the squad who could have supplied the big lump with proper service, for auxilliary full backs (Halford mainly) and went big boot (he's not called Hoofy for nothing) and turned us into a dismal side to watch.

Twat, as I've already said on this thread.
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Henderson scored 20 in 72, yeah definatly a bigger waste of money than Geoff Horsfield or Lee Hendrie. Dont let facts get in the way of a good hendo bashing ey?

Cotterill is one of the most overrated players to have ever played for us in my opinion
 
Grecian2000 said:
No. He spent £2m on Henderson. Pound for pound the biggest waste of money in club history.
He then constantly dropped Cotterill, the one player in the squad who could have supplied the big lump with proper service, for auxilliary full backs (Halford mainly) and went big boot (he's not called Hoofy for nothing) and turned us into a dismal side to watch.

Twat, as I've already said on this thread.
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Three facts about Blackwell

1. Personality wise he is, by all accounts a twat.
2. His football was not aestheically pleasing
3. He is the most successful United manager of the 7 we have had since Warnock was sacked.
 
Paulus said:
This - Useless manager took on what was still a strong squad and systematically destroyed it, clearly undermined players but only those with talent.
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I think it was a twenty odd million pound wage bill, squandered on failing old pros by twat face Robson, that saw to that .

Blackwell was responsible for some of the most awful football I've ever witnessed, but let's not pretend the destruction of the old squad was his fault.

UTB
 



Warnock-Shouldn't have been sacked without the right successor lined up.
Robson-Shocking appointment
Blackwell-Did a job until rug was pulled from under him. In spite of this got us to a hooky penalty claim and a worldy goal away from the Premiership. His sacking was ridiculous on the back of one result.
Speed-Reasonable appointment
Adams-Why? Ridiculous appointment of a man out of his depth. Sacked because he should never have been appointed in the first place
Wilson-Massive points haul in his first season and did the job until his top scorer was sent to prison. His sacking when in a good position in spite of having his top scorer removed was ridiculous to put Morgan in charge?!?!?
Weir-Seemed the right man but perhaps wrong place and wrong time.
Clough-So far so good.

Sorry but it doesn't paint a great picture. McCabe is an awful judge of a manager who appears to thrash about with a random name generator based on bladey bladesness.
 
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