Hold your nerve

[BushBlade]

I wouldn't blame him either. He seems like a good lad who wouldn't down tool's to force a move threw (I hope) like Lundstram and Ramsdale

Yeah. His agent’s probably a twat though, they usually are.

 

[broomhillblade]

Here Here

...or hear hear, even.

 

[Carlton Blade]

I've talked about the club finances as much as anyone but realistically we don't know what kind of gamble keeping Berge is - and that's without considering what the player wants

 

[diode_blade]

...or hear hear, even.

Tha what.....

 

[ghandi]

by the way TC my criticism isn't aimed at you.

It's a general criticism of those that ALWAYS want us to spend...spend...spend...even if we build up massive debt they aren't bothered.
However building up debt to massive levels acts like a weight around our neck.
Keep Berge and we MUST get promoted otherwise we're in big trouble.

However I agree with Stevo, speculation is pretty quiet, almost non existent, so I don't think clubs are will be willing to pay anywhere near our £25 million valuation.
Don't think we'll sell anyone, however I reckon if we're doing well then we could see big bids for Berge and N'Diaye in the January transfer window.

You have no way of knowing we'd be in big trouble it's just a guess.

 

[Nagima]

We're 5 games in - so its not so much about holding our nerve, just yet, but its about perspective.

After 5 games we're top of the league and we're looking like were settling into the season nicely. But its 5 games into a long season. I'd normally say to judge us after 10-12 games as thats normally 1/4 of the way in, players are fit, new/ existing managers in the league are finding their feet and whilst its always great to get a good start, there are always sides that start slowly. We can say so far that we've started well.

This season though, i think will be different due to the early start to the season and then the mid season break for the World Cup. I hope we're in a strong position come the World Cup break because the second half will be unpredictable since all momentum will have been lost. Some clubs will lose players to the world cup, others will have strong runs of form interrupted, others will have poor form interrupted. So i think its so important this year to get a lot of points on the board early.

As for sales. Berge would be the big one. He's in his best form since he got here and will have attracted attention, but i'd be surprised if there are any tempting bids which arrive before the end of the window... But there are clubs with money, struggling to gel and might just think that a £35Mill bid could tempt us (it will if it hits the release). We've however brought in plenty of midfielders that can play in an attacking role, so perhaps we're expecting it anyway...

I'm less concerned now about losing players where we have good coverage than i would've been a few years ago. Maybe because its innevitable after spending our parachute payments and maybe because the money in the game is so huge now. The one i wouldn't want to lose is N'Diaye as he's much harder to replace from within.

Make or break season in many ways but its not disaster if we lose players... it just creates a wobble which i am sure that the club want to avoid. Jan sales would be much more likely.

Ndiaye would be a bigger loss than Berge. I think he offers that bit of individual skill like MGW so I hope we keep him.
Berge I would sell if we got enough for him and we invested in a decent CM. Fleck and Norwood don't have the legs that maybe needed against some teams and it would good to have a permanent option along with Doyle

 

[Snowflake]

From a supporters and management viewpoint we can all see this year we are going to be real contenders. We have recruited excellently and Hecky has done a great job of balancing the back three (Norrington-Davies being a good example).

To my point, promotion is worth at least £150 million plus any further parachute payments so why on earth would you let anyone leave unless the full asking price is achieved, even £30 million for Berge would be peanuts compared to the potential riches. This window is a real test for the prince, the club has invested wisely and is in an enviable position.

Hold your nerve and don't sell!

We could be better off if Berge goes and we recruit two other quality players, to strengthen the squad.
The closer we get to September the less likely this is unless there are players lined up in case.

 

[Snowflake]

You have no way of knowing we'd be in big trouble it's just a guess.

Probably a poor guess at that !

 

[chesblade]

Could do with a power cut on Friday so rest of country can't see how good Berge, Anel and ndjiae are

 

[Ricardo Mantelban]

Could do with a power cut on Friday so rest of country can't see how good Berge, Anel and ndjiae are

Is it on the box

 

[chesblade]

Is it on the box

On sky

 

[Ricardo Mantelban]

It doesn’t show it on the Sky scores app.

 

[cahill]

He waits till our valuation is met or his contracts up.

Hope you’re right.

 

[Ricardo Mantelban]

Just checked on Google it says it’s on.

 

[Northernsoulblade]

...or hear hear, even.

 

[Charlieblade]

The release clause is 35m. Unless you can pay that in cash today, don’t even bother asking!

 

[chesblade]

Just checked on Google it says it’s on.

Sky sports main event 7.30

 

[Millhousesblade1889]

From a supporters and management viewpoint we can all see this year we are going to be real contenders. We have recruited excellently and Hecky has done a great job of balancing the back three (Norrington-Davies being a good example).

To my point, promotion is worth at least £150 million plus any further parachute payments so why on earth would you let anyone leave unless the full asking price is achieved, even £30 million for Berge would be peanuts compared to the potential riches. This window is a real test for the prince, the club has invested wisely and is in an enviable position.

Hold your nerve and don't sell!

I completely agree. But if Sander Berge’s release clause is activated there’s not much we can do

Keep him until January, see where we are. If we’re up there then we again hold out for the release clause, if we’ve dropped off then we probably look to cash in

 

[Tony Currie]

I agree in principle, but it isn't as black and white as: "If we keep Berge we definitely go up, if we sell him we definitely don't". In reality, keeping Berge probably increases our chances of promotion from something like 35% to 45%. If that was the case, this would put Berge's 'worth' to us at 10% x £150m = £15m.

Secondly, it's a myth that promotion is worth £150m. Yes, that's the amount that we would get in sponsorship and TV money. However, promotion would also trigger a whole host of wage increases, bonuses and other costs. A lot of teams in the top flight don't turn in a profit at all.

Your maths is way out. 35% to 45% increase in promotion chances but that's only worth 10% - doh!

Second point, SUFC made a profit in both our premiership season's - something we haven't done for decades.

 

[CPB]

Unfortunately if the fee is met Berge will likely be keen to go if it's to a top tier club.
That's the reality.

What I'm liking so far is we aren't accepting less than what the fee should be. Whereas in the past we have at times.

I'd be happy with the squad as is I think so hopefully that's it for our business.

 

[ChipButtyBlade]

 

[Proper Blade]

I get the feeling that Berge will stay. £35m seems a lot for someone who, let's be honest, has only really started to excel for us since the turn of the year. Before then he floated through a lot of matches and often flattered to deceive. It was only towards the end of the season that he really started to step up.

I think our bigger worry is N'Diaye. There's a big chance he'll be playing at the World Cup in December. Basically putting himself in the world's biggest shop window in the middle of our season.

 

[Hull Blade]

Did Stoke City get the memo?
O'Neill handed his p45.

 

[Geordie Blade]

Your maths is way out. 35% to 45% increase in promotion chances but that's only worth 10% - doh!

I think you're talking about relative risk, but it's the absolute change that impacts the value. The doh is on you, sorry.

Second point, SUFC made a profit in both our premiership season's - something we haven't done for decades.

Did we make profits of £150m? My point was that the true value of promotion is considerably less than £150m.

 

[NuddysGloves]

Did we make profits of £150m? My point was that the true value of promotion is considerably less than £150m.

I see the point you're trying to make, but promotion to the PL is still worth £150m because it's that influx of cash that let's us pay the higher wages and bonuses etc. Without that £150m we'd most likely have reported a loss.

If you won £100,000 on a scratchcard and bought yourself a flash car for £70,000 with the winnings would you tell people you'd only won £30,000?

 

[Geordie Blade]

I see the point you're trying to make, but promotion to the PL is still worth £150m because it's that influx of cash that let's us pay the higher wages and bonuses etc. Without that £150m we'd most likely have reported a loss.

If you won £100,000 on a scratchcard and bought yourself a flash car for £70,000 with the winnings would you tell people you'd only won £30,000?

It depends on the value of what you buy! If I won £150m and I bought Oliver Burke for £10m I'd tell people that I'd won £140m Seriously though, the wage increases wouldn't count in the same way that you describe, because you're not getting anything 'extra' for the money (as opposed to buying new players). The asset value of the existing players might increase, but probably not as much as their wages. In your analogy, the equivalent would be me winning £100,000 on a scratch card, and £50,000 of it automatically going to an ex-wife. That way, I would have only 'won' £50,000. So in short, promotion is still generally worth less than the £150m that is always cited.

 

[NuddysGloves]

It depends on the value of what you buy! If I won £150m and I bought Oliver Burke for £10m I'd tell people that I'd won £140m Seriously though, the wage increases wouldn't count in the same way that you describe, because you're not getting anything 'extra' for the money (as opposed to buying new players). The asset value of the existing players might increase, but probably not as much as their wages. In your analogy, the equivalent would be me winning £100,000 on a scratch card, and £50,000 of it automatically going to an ex-wife. That way, I would have only 'won' £50,000. So in short, promotion is still generally worth less than the £150m that is always cited.

Okay I get that and it does make a lot of sense, damn ex wives!!

But the value of the scratchcard is £100,000. Even though you would only get to enjoy half of that amount the actual value of the scratchcard doesn't change.

 

[Geordie Blade]

Okay I get that and it does make a lot of sense, damn ex wives!!

But the value of the scratchcard is £100,000. Even though you would only get to enjoy half of that amount the actual value of the scratchcard doesn't change.

Ok, but I think the context of ‘worth’ in the original messages here was ‘worth to us’, the implication being that it’s madness to sell players because we will lose out on £150m. My point is that the true amount that we miss out on is somewhat less than that.

If I had a scratch card that was guaranteed to win £100,000 but 50% goes to my ex-wife, I’d definitely be happy to sell it someone else for £60,000. If the scratch card only had a chance of winning £100,000, my selling price would be even lower.

 

[NuddysGloves]

Ok, but I think the context of ‘worth’ in the original messages here was ‘worth to us’, the implication being that it’s madness to sell players because we will lose out on £150m. My point is that the true amount that we miss out on is somewhat less than that.

If I had a scratch card that was guaranteed to win £100,000 but 50% goes to my ex-wife, I’d definitely be happy to sell it someone else for £60,000. If the scratch card only had a chance of winning £100,000, my selling price would be even lower.

I think maybe we're arguing slightly different points here.

 

[davidblade]

I fear Everton sneaking in as they have many times robbing us of our assets

I think they had McCabe on speed dial