highest wages in league one

[Cyprus Blade]

What's that phrase? - "economical with the truth"?

Alan Clark at the Matrix Churchill trial (arms export licences to Iraq) admitted to being economical with the actualité

 

[Alfreton14Blade]

Surely Adkins can only forecast the coming season, and our competitors information cannot be known in advance.

He could, or course, have been talking about the season before, but he'd have not needed to, and gained nothing by being economical with the truth about Clough's season.

Some people are really trying too hard to justify binning Adkins. We can all agree he had a really poor year, without attaching bullshit that isn't relevant.

UTB

Not at all, the case for McCabe rightly getting shut of Adkins simply gets clearer as time goes on.

I highly doubt we've ever had anything as low as the 6th biggest wage bill since being down in this cesspit &, as Sean Thornton points out above, "it's not really plausible to say that Adkins has cut the budget at all" based on the available information.

I honestly think the "trying too hard" is coming from entirely the other direction - from those who believe Adkins warranted more time to see his plans through & who believe that he shouldn't have been sacked, i.e. the folks who wish to paper over Adkins's dreadful failings.

But, regardless, far more important is where we go from here in the new Wilder Era, as I'm sure we'd all agree.

 

[Muttley]

If Hammond hadn't stupidly given away a 93rd minute penalty at OldTrafford, the revenue created from the replay would have covered his damn wages.

 

[Esablade]

Not at all, the case for McCabe rightly getting shut of Adkins simply gets clearer as time goes on.

I highly doubt we've ever had anything as low as the 6th biggest wage bill since being down in this cesspit &, as Sean Thornton points out above, "it's not really plausible to say that Adkins has cut the budget at all" based on the available information.

I honestly think the "trying too hard" is coming from entirely the other direction - from those who believe Adkins warranted more time to see his plans through & who believe that he shouldn't have been sacked, i.e. the folks who wish to paper over Adkins's dreadful failings.

But, regardless, far more important is where we go from here in the new Wilder Era, as I'm sure we'd all agree.

We were talking about the £6million figure held up by the Star as an example of 'the highest wage bill in the league', derived from their 'sources within the game'....(underneath of which is a large photograph of McCabe )

Obviously, we won't know what was spent on wages this season until next season's account's are out...but if it was £6million, then the wage bill went down under Adkins and McCabe, if he was the source of this, has once more, shot himself in the foot attempting to give Adkins a further boot out the door...as it would appear Adkins was reducing the wage bill and getting shut of the bloated squad.

As you say, Wilder's here now and doing that task very well.

Roll on August.

UTB!

 

[alcoblade]

Not at all, the case for McCabe rightly getting shut of Adkins simply gets clearer as time goes on.

I highly doubt we've ever had anything as low as the 6th biggest wage bill since being down in this cesspit &, as Sean Thornton points out above, "it's not really plausible to say that Adkins has cut the budget at all" based on the available information.

I honestly think the "trying too hard" is coming from entirely the other direction - from those who believe Adkins warranted more time to see his plans through & who believe that he shouldn't have been sacked, i.e. the folks who wish to paper over Adkins's dreadful failings.

But, regardless, far more important is where we go from here in the new Wilder Era, as I'm sure we'd all agree.

I've offered 2 reasons for giving Adkins more time;

• An ongoing belief that a year isn't enough, something I continued to extend to Clough.
• A further justification for a year not being enough, because of the legacy of Clough's reign, which is now being judged by Wilder.

I've offered no other justification for what happened last year, which was still poor, and from which Adkins can take no credit. That is not "trying too hard".

I will continue to state bullshit when I see it. The bullshit within this Article, jumped on by people trying to pin the major blame for last seasons wage bill on Adkins, is just that - bullshit. It's without doubt that the bulk of our now cast offs and last seasons wage bill was the doing of Clough.

I'm objective about these things because I'm really pleased with the move the club made after sacking Adkins - appointing Wilder.

UTB

 

[wizadry]

I've offered 2 reasons for giving Adkins more time;

• An ongoing belief that a year isn't enough, something I continued to extend to Clough.
• A further justification for a year not being enough, because of the legacy of Clough's reign, which is now being judged by Wilder.

I've offered no other justification for what happened last year, which was still poor, and from which Adkins can take no credit. That is not "trying too hard".

I will continue to state bullshit when I see it. The bullshit within this Article, jumped on by people trying to pin the major blame for last seasons wage bill on Adkins, is just that - bullshit. It's without doubt that the bulk of our now cast offs and last seasons wage bill was the doing of Clough.

I'm objective about these things because I'm really pleased with the move the club made after sacking Adkins - appointing Wilder.

UTB

If they can use that article then so can we.

 

[Finn Keane o' Balmaqueen]

Who is in charge of recruitment at yours?

Messrs, Wonder, Blunkett & Charles. Assisted by Askey & Bader Associates.

Askey thought Hammond was The White Usain Bolt.

 

[Alfreton14Blade]

I've offered 2 reasons for giving Adkins more time;

• An ongoing belief that a year isn't enough, something I continued to extend to Clough.
• A further justification for a year not being enough, because of the legacy of Clough's reign, which is now being judged by Wilder.

I've offered no other justification for what happened last year, which was still poor, and from which Adkins can take no credit. That is not "trying too hard".

I will continue to state bullshit when I see it. The bullshit within this Article, jumped on by people trying to pin the major blame for last seasons wage bill on Adkins, is just that - bullshit. It's without doubt that the bulk of our now cast offs and last seasons wage bill was the doing of Clough.

I'm objective about these things because I'm really pleased with the move the club made after sacking Adkins - appointing Wilder.

UTB

I don't see the need for this constant harping back to Clough.

From the point he got appointed last summer, Adkins became entirely responsible for managing the club (just like Chris Wilder is now). I don't recall a single person saying that poor Nige would need a season of utter shitness to sort out the ingrained problems left him by Nigel Clough. Folks were rightly expecting Nigel Adkins to get us promoted within a single season.

So Cloughy left him an overlarge squad, with overpaid players, a proportion of whom were devoted to the former manager? So what? He knew exactly what the situation was on getting the job. He either had an overinflated estimation of his own abilities, or he underestimated the scale of the job.

He was nothing like proactive enough in dealing with the problems that he, personally, was responsible for. And those problems he did deal with, he generally dealt with badly*.

Unlike you, I'm delighted Adkins was booted into the long grass. But like you, I'm delighted Wilder's here now, a far more important situation going forward.



(* with certain notable exceptions)

 

[PeteBlade]

I don't see the need for this constant harping back to Clough.

From the point he got appointed last summer, Adkins became entirely responsible for managing the club (just like Chris Wilder is now). I don't recall a single person saying that poor Nige would need a season of utter shitness to sort out the ingrained problems left him by Nigel Clough. Folks were rightly expecting Nigel Adkins to get us promoted within a single season.

So Cloughy left him an overlarge squad, with overpaid players, a proportion of whom were devoted to the former manager? So what? He knew exactly what the situation was on getting the job. He either had an overinflated estimation of his own abilities, or he underestimated the scale of the job.

He was nothing like proactive enough in dealing with the problems that he, personally, was responsible for. And those problems he did deal with, he generally dealt with badly*.

Unlike you, I'm delighted Adkins was booted into the long grass. But like you, I'm delighted Wilder's here now, a far more important situation going forward.



(* with certain notable exceptions)

If you're interested in why people keep 'harping back to Clough', have a look at the players we're releasing. And who signed the vast majority of them that we can't wait to get rid of.

If "Cloughy" was called "Smithy" I imagine it would be easier to spot.

 

[alcoblade]

I don't see the need for this constant harping back to Clough.

But, as per post 15, you're happy harp back to Adkins. Can you give a timescale that you consider acceptable to harp back to?

And if you want to dissect Adkins tenure, after all you came first in this thread, you simply cannot do it without considering the hand he was dealt. It's obvious, common sense. Your rejection of the most undeniable points suggests you're the one clinging on to old beliefs.


UTB

 

[alcoblade]

If you're interested in why people keep 'harping back to Clough', have a look at the players we're releasing. And who signed the vast majority of them that we can't wait to get rid of.

If "Cloughy" was called "Smithy" I imagine it would be easier to spot.

Exactly. You don't have to have a "side" to see this as fact.

UTB

 

[wizadry]

I don't see the need for this constant harping back to Clough.

From the point he got appointed last summer, Adkins became entirely responsible for managing the club (just like Chris Wilder is now). I don't recall a single person saying that poor Nige would need a season of utter shitness to sort out the ingrained problems left him by Nigel Clough. Folks were rightly expecting Nigel Adkins to get us promoted within a single season.

So Cloughy left him an overlarge squad, with overpaid players, a proportion of whom were devoted to the former manager? So what? He knew exactly what the situation was on getting the job. He either had an overinflated estimation of his own abilities, or he underestimated the scale of the job.

He was nothing like proactive enough in dealing with the problems that he, personally, was responsible for. And those problems he did deal with, he generally dealt with badly*.

Unlike you, I'm delighted Adkins was booted into the long grass. But like you, I'm delighted Wilder's here now, a far more important situation going forward.



(* with certain notable exceptions)

I can't find the threads but there was certainly posters stating at the start of the season that it will take Adkins more than a season with Cloughs' shite to get us promoted.

 

[Kev Gee]

Hopefully now we have a clean slate oir finances should be alot healthier.

What im worried about ia kmc going to the other extreme and we end up with another load of jaspee johns and Mcgintys.

 

[alcoblade]

Hopefully now we have a clean slate oir finances should be alot healthier.

What im worried about ia kmc going to the other extreme and we end up with another load of jaspee johns and Mcgintys.

And if we do, I'll give it three months before there's a very good number blaming Wilder for affairs.

UTB

 

[Alfreton14Blade]

I can't find the threads but there was certainly posters stating at the start of the season that it will take Adkins more than a season with Cloughs' shite to get us promoted.

Well let's get it put on record that Wilder will probably need more than a season to get us up.

In saying that I'm sure he won't be getting a free pass from the owners/board, with them accepting he can have his side playing utter shite, making no tangible improvement over a whole season, & having the kop ferociously turn on him at the Lane.

He'll need to show improvement, just as Adkins (with his record of getting sides instantly promoted from this league) most certainly should have.

 

[Barney]

I will continue to state bullshit when I see it. The bullshit within this Article, jumped on by people trying to pin the major blame for last seasons wage bill on Adkins, is just that - bullshit.

How do you know this?

I've offered 2 reasons for giving Adkins more time;

• An ongoing belief that a year isn't enough, something I continued to extend to Clough.
• A further justification for a year not being enough, because of the legacy of Clough's reign, which is now being judged by Wilder.

This is backward logic and a poor way to judge a manager. A manager shouldn't be judged on what managers that have gone before him did or didn't do. A manager should be judged on the merits of his own performance, resources and what should have been achieved with those resources added to the league finish of the team he inherited.

Adkins inherited a 5th placed division three side and had quite a substantial total outlay on 1 fee and 5 huge wages. To take a 5th placed side, add 5 of your own expensive players to it, and not only not make progress, but go 6 places backward to 11th is nothing but a sackable offence.

 

[wizadry]

Well let's get it put on record that Wilder will probably need more than a season to get us up.

In saying that I'm sure he won't be getting a free pass from the owners/board, with them accepting he can have his side playing utter shite, making no tangible improvement over a whole season, & having the kop ferociously turn on him at the Lane.

He'll need to show improvement, just as Adkins (with his record of getting sides instantly promoted from this league) most certainly should have.

Wilder has had a chance to get rid of a lot more than what Adkins did and this has to be taken into account as does who and what funds he gets to replace them with.

 

[alcoblade]

How do you know this?
.

Because of the balance of players, in the squad, signed by the respective managers. You'd just have to be an imbecile to not grasp it.

Only if you're desperately clinging to a "side", rather than objectively looking at the evidence, is this not blindingly obvious.

Throwing in examples of Adkins getting it wrong with some signings, which he clearly did, does not alter the statistics.

UTB

 

[wizadry]

How do you know this?


This is backward logic and a poor way to judge a manager. A manager shouldn't be judged on what managers that have gone before him did or didn't do. A manager should be judged on the merits of his own performance, resources and what should have been achieved with those resources added to the league finish of the team he inherited.

Adkins inherited a 5th placed division three side and had quite a substantial total outlay on 1 fee and 5 huge wages. To take a 5th placed side, add 5 of your own expensive players to it, and not only not make progress, but go 6 places backward to 11th is nothing but a sackable offence.

I've got an idea, as we're going round in circles here why don't we just shut this fucker down, some people can't see the facts without enhancing some fucker.

Nobody, I repeat nobody would like to work with other peoples shite.

 

[alcoblade]

This is backward logic and a poor way to judge a manager. A manager shouldn't be judged on what managers that have gone before him did or didn't do. A manager should be judged on the merits of his own performance, resources and what should have been achieved with those resources added to the league finish of the team he inherited..

And on what Adkins was responsible for, he failed. I've said it numerous times. It's a completely different assessment to that of Clough, who's fans seem to continually justify the actions of one based on the failure of the other.

My point remains, a year is never enough, unless in exceptional circumstances (Weir, Robson).

UTB

 

[Alfreton14Blade]

And on what Adkins was responsible for, he failed. I've said it numerous times. It's a completely different assessment to that of Clough, who's fans seem to continually justify the actions of one based on the failure of the other.

My point remains, a year is never enough, unless in exceptional circumstances (Weir, Robson).

UTB

You don't see Sheffield United ending up 11th in Division Three as in any way exceptional?

 

[freddyp]

The "highest" paid player last season was Baxter. Even if he was on the National Minimum Wage.

 

[Barney]

Because of the balance of players, in the squad, signed by the respective managers. You'd just have to be an imbecile to not grasp it.

Only if you're desperately clinging to a "side", rather than objectively looking at the evidence, is this not blindingly obvious.

Throwing in examples of Adkins getting it wrong with some signings, which he clearly did, does not alter the statistics.

UTB

You have not answered the question. The article states the wage bill of the club this year was £6m. You stated with no evidence at all that this is bullshit. Please provide evidence to back up your claim.

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

I will continue to state bullshit when I see it. The bullshit within this Article, jumped on by people trying to pin the major blame for last seasons wage bill on Adkins, is just that - bullshit. It's without doubt that the bulk of our now cast offs and last seasons wage bill was the doing of Clough.

UTB

But it's like two bald blokes arguing over a comb.

Warnock showed what success is and how to achieve it at Rotherham and finances never came into it.

 

[Barney]

And on what Adkins was responsible for, he failed. I've said it numerous times. It's a completely different assessment to that of Clough, who's fans seem to continually justify the actions of one based on the failure of the other.

My point remains, a year is never enough, unless in exceptional circumstances (Weir, Robson).

UTB

Most sensible people judge a manager on what he inherited, a 5th placed division three side, what he did to it, added 5 expensive signings, and where it ended up, 11th, a 6 place backward movement. And use an assessment of that as to whether they deserve the sack.

Only those with obsessions about previous managers let their hatred get in the way of a fair judgement using the above.

Oh and if you think finishing 11th in division three isn't an exceptional circumstance then there's really not much more to be said.

 

[blade too long]

What you are paying them under contract, and the length of that contract, is the major factor in the ease of which you can get rid of them.

If you can't grasp this most basic of concepts, after numeous attempts by numerous people to explain this to you, I suggest you stop entering into these debates.

UTB

so what your saying is that every players we want to get rid of , all of them are on such inflated wages compared to all all 72 league clubs we cant sell one of them

and you say I talk bollocks

your saying no club has ever managed to move on a player to another club on less money
yet more bollocks

are you saying Porter went to Colchester and got more money
yet more bollocks

how did wednesday get rid of 16 players to smaller clubs,
how did Wigan unload 15 highly paid ex championship players to other clubs


you think we are the only club with players getting paid
can you tell what wages any of those are on we needed to sell , exactly per week to back up your claim

shit players not getting picked pros have to accept they just might get less money if they want to play

thats always always been the case
your ridiculous premise we cant get shut as say crewe or plymouth wont pay them enough is startlingly naive

 

[blade too long]

iain turner when he left to join Tranmere
was it for more money
no it was to stay in football and get paid
unfortunately some players dont feature at some clubs and have to move on to get ganmes and get paid
they understand this

pay structures differ at every club
some footballers pay will differ wildly at different clubs the not so good players wages will go up and down through his career
they dont as some suiggest on here only ever move on for more money
its not possible, unless your one of the top 10 per cent
pity some cant grasp what is a very basic fact of life in a pros footballers life
sometimes they have to accept less money

 

[blade too long]

The vast majority of those players on your latest stupid list were free transfers.

Whether the pigs sold players has very little relevance on how easy it is to sell players on contracts and bigger wages.

It's really the most basic and obvious point I'm making, I've no idea why all of a sudden you're unable to grasp it. You grasped it earlier on in the season. Have you had a labotomy since then?

ok then
your saying we cant move on players because we pay too much
heres whos been transfer listed by Chris
Kieron Freeman, Kieran Wallace, James Wallace, Dean Hammond, Paul Coutts, Martyn Woolford and Diego De Girolamo.

which of those will be leaving for higher wages
if he can move these on

why couldnt we move on others on higher wages

pro footballers are I am sure aware that if they arent playing to get a game they have to move on
and they also are aware they wont always get paid more ,
its an industry where you get what you can
a bit like contracting , sometimes you have to accept a lower income to stay in work

 

[PeteBlade]

ok then
your saying we cant move on players because we pay too much
heres whos been transfer listed by Chris
Kieron Freeman, Kieran Wallace, James Wallace, Dean Hammond, Paul Coutts, Martyn Woolford and Diego De Girolamo.

which of those will be leaving for higher wages
if he can move these on

why couldnt we move on others on higher wages

pro footballers are I am sure aware that if they arent playing to get a game they have to move on
and they also are aware they wont always get paid more ,
its an industry where you get what you can
a bit like contracting , sometimes you have to accept a lower income to stay in work

What my point is, was, and will continue to be is that it's not easy to simply 'get shut' of these players as you suggest.

If you can't get your head around such an unbelievably simple concept, please stop engaging with me.

If logic as simple as this continues to baffle you, get a colouring book and sit in the corner.