Heres a thought regarding new sky deal

[BushBlade]

And then the EFL will be scratching there heads when the Premier League 2nd division is formed. Yes we need to look after clubs lower down the scale but equally we cannot let the ridiculous gap between the top 2 divisions get any wider

But it’s OK to widen the gap between the championship and L1?

 

[Berkshire Blade]

What if Amazon come up with a model where United's games are say £10 each so a whol season away from home for £230 as opposed to £600 a year for Sky.

I really don't understand why you have hitched your wagon to Sky without any thought as to what else might come along.

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You've just come up with a offer that isn't here yet and might never be.

 

[Berkshire Blade]

Clubs overspend to get to the EPL because of the riches there, aren't Sky partly responsible for this super rich club that everyone wants to be in?

I'm with SwissBlade, it's not that the EFL should have more money, the EPL should have less.

Football clubs being run poorly isn't a TV companies fault. They could come up with tight efl rules so clubs cant spend millions a year. Instead they want fans to give them more money via a third party.

 

[I should coco]

You've just come up with a offer that isn't here yet and might never be.

Fair point but you are encoraging the EFL to stick with the status quo Sky monopoly.

Sky are not the only show in town as will become more apparent in the years to come. Why do you think the Premier Leauge have not replaced Scudamore with a classic 'football man'. They have not chosen Susanna Dinnage for altruistic diversity reasons. She was a head at Discovery and previously worked at Eurosport, so has been chosen for her knowledge and contacts within the 'new media'.

Sky are the dinosaur in the room here.

 

[NotFallowfieldBlade]

Sky red button games midweek for a start! Away attendances have reduced considerably across the board.

Yes but id say the majority of fanss want there teams on sky red button , i definitley do

 

[NotFallowfieldBlade]

Fair point but you are encoraging the EFL to stick with the status quo Sky monopoly.

Sky are not the only show in town as will become more apparent in the years to come. Why do you think the Premier Leauge have not replaced Scudamore with a classic 'football man'. They have not chosen Susanna Dinnage for altruistic diversity reasons. She was a head at Discovery and previously worked at Eurosport, so has been chosen for her knowledge and contacts within the 'new media'.

Sky are the dinosaur in the room here.

Yes but sky have offered the best deal no one else is willing to pay more

 

[Berkshire Blade]

Fair point but you are encoraging the EFL to stick with the status quo Sky monopoly.

Sky are not the only show in town as will become more apparent in the years to come. Why do you think the Premier Leauge have not replaced Scudamore with a classic 'football man'. They have not chosen Susanna Dinnage for altruistic diversity reasons. She was a head at Discovery and previously worked at Eurosport, so has been chosen for her knowledge and contacts within the 'new media'.

Sky are the dinosaur in the room here.

The future is some form of 'streaming' doesn't mean it can't be via sky.

That said most people are not that tech savvy. Lots of people have a hd tv and channels yet still watch in SD. They have to change the channels to HD to get people to watch them via that way. Now imagine trying to get people to get a app and cast it or whatever? Just because theres a shiny new toy doesn't mean its where the money is at yet.

The fact is there was NO other offers. None. Not even from the Leeds's owners company.

The clubs now have 5 years knowing how much they get. They can budget accordingly. They have set up the ffp rules themselves. I don't see what their issue is. They even get 'solidarity' payment from the premier league on top of their own deals.

The last full season saw all three sides stay up in Newcastle, Brighton and Huddersfield. It's not like its a impossible gap between the leagues

 

[BushBlade]

Interestingly, the Accrington owner was interviewed on TalkShite earlier. He also came up with some vague statements about the future which didn’t at all convince me but one thing that I did note was his concern that by protecting their own interests L1 and L2 clubs have alienated the championship clubs who they effectively depend on for any TV income.

Basically, he’s now shit scared that it will cause a schism that will lead to the championship clubs setting up a breakaway league and the L1 and L2 clubs will end up with nothing (or virtually nothing).

A point Jacobs asked that wasn’t answered was would Sky have offered less money per year for a shorter deal. I suspect that was the case; they wanted a guaranteed five years so they can invest heavily in marketing the championship. There’s no point them paying to build it up just for Amazon to take it from then in three years’ time.

 

[I should coco]

Yes but sky have offered the best deal no one else is willing to pay more

The fact is there was NO other offers. None. Not even from the Leeds's owners company.

Nor they will be any other offers now, for FIVE YEARS!

You keep ignoring my point that they didn't have to accept Sky's 5 year proposal.

The Premier Legues have always done 3 or 4 year deals, doesn't that tell you something?

 

[Berkshire Blade]

Nor they will be any other offers now, for FIVE YEARS!

You keep ignoring my point that they didn't have to accept Sky's 5 year proposal.

The Premier Legues have always done 3 or 4 year deals, doesn't that tell you something?

Lots of sports rights on sky are 5 years. Premier league has a slightly stronger hand. They set the terms because they know there is solid offers from a number of companies. There was literally no other offers giving Sky a stronger hand in negotiations.

Anyway debating it endlessly won't change it now. Its done.

 

[JayGreen17]

This isn’t all about getting a fair deal, and asking for what the EFL games are worth, if viewing figures are correct then about 25% of Champ games attracted bigger viewing audiences than the PL, this is bout being fair, I’m with the clubs on this one, and I think fans across the league need to unite to show solidarity that this is just not acceptable.

I’m thinking of setting up a petition, I need 5 emails to support this, if anyone wants to provide me with your email I’m happy to put this forward.

 

[BushBlade]

Nor they will be any other offers now, for FIVE YEARS!

You keep ignoring my point that they didn't have to accept Sky's 5 year proposal.

The Premier Legues have always done 3 or 4 year deals, doesn't that tell you something?

Heres a thought regarding new sky deal

Last paragraph.

 

[Worksop II]

I’m with the clubs on this one, and I think fans across the league need to unite to show solidarity

Err ......... what do I get out of it, if they want my support that is ...............

 

[Wooden House]

Heard on Radio this morning that Burnley "earned" more from SKY last season £100m+ than the whole 72 EFL clubs would earn together in a year under new deal. It just goes to show where the money is - like it or not......

 

[NotFallowfieldBlade]

Nor they will be any other offers now, for FIVE YEARS!

You keep ignoring my point that they didn't have to accept Sky's 5 year proposal.

The Premier Legues have always done 3 or 4 year deals, doesn't that tell you something?

I agree it should have been a shorter deal tbf but obviously there was no one else interested, im sure this was the best deal available

 

[spongebobblade]

But it’s OK to widen the gap between the championship and L1?

The gap between us and the premier league and us and league one is significantly greater. If we can’t compete when we get there (and it’s getting mighty close to it) then what’s the point?. A better deal wouldn’t mean the lesser clubs lose out, just that championship clubs are rewarded better. The league 1&2 clubs are obviously happy with there share of the new deal

 

[Rob86]

As others have said Sky have got the EFL by the bollocks really.

I mean it’s too late now, but could the dissenting clubs (maybe including us) have lost the revenue whilst waiting for a better deal. Which, let’s be honest, wasn’t likely from another media company. Everyone wants a piece of the EPL and any newcomer would buy into that first. The only hope of a competitor would have been BT but they seem quite content at the moment.

The cash in the EPL is ridiculous but that’s the top lot in the auction. Do foreign TV then have to buy the rights to broadcast games Sky are showing ? How does Sky make its money back ?

 

[Freethinker]

I haven't said it's a bad thing, I've said that the deal the clubs are getting is crap compared to the Prem clubs.

a lot of the posters on here watch utd on TV not at bdtbl that's why understandably they are in favour of sky myself I don't have sky and think along with the premier have spoiled the game for a lot of people I will continue to go as long as I can and don't watch any football on TV but I can see it from both perspectives

 

[Berkshire Blade]

The cash in the EPL is ridiculous but that’s the top lot in the auction. Do foreign TV then have to buy the rights to broadcast games Sky are showing ? How does Sky make its money back ?

Nope Sky don't sell on to other countries the Premier league does that itself. Sky makes its money via subscriptions and advertising. It's clearly profitable it's just been sold for 20 billion!!

 

[spongebobblade]

Let’s be realistic. Sky have paid the sum primarily for championship football which is regarded as the 6th best competitive league in Europe. With the exception of the play offs league 1 & 2 games shown are minimal. It would be no surprise to see a breakaway league and you can’t blame the championship clubs for it. There are some very big clubs in this league, including ourselves who, in statue are far bigger than plenty of premier league outfits. Do they just sit back and accept it or try whatever they can, by any means to change it? It’s a dog eat dog world whether we like it or not and I don’t want to see my club left behind because of “principles”. Why should the onus be on championship clubs to look after those nearer grass roots?

 

[BushBlade]

The gap between us and the premier league and us and league one is significantly greater. If we can’t compete when we get there (and it’s getting mighty close to it) then what’s the point?. A better deal wouldn’t mean the lesser clubs lose out, just that championship clubs are rewarded better. The league 1&2 clubs are obviously happy with there share of the new deal

But the evidence seems to show the gap between the PL and the championship isn’t insurmountable, quite the opposite. Over the last few seasons it’s become normal for at least two promoted sides to stay up. When we last went up it was normal for at least two to go straight back down.

If the championship clubs are ‘rewarded better’ and the L1 and L2 clubs aren’t, then the financial gap between L1 and the championship will grow.

 

[spongebobblade]

But the evidence seems to show the gap between the PL and the championship isn’t insurmountable, quite the opposite. Over the last few seasons it’s become normal for at least two promoted sides to stay up. When we last went up it was normal for at least two to go straight back down.

If the championship clubs are ‘rewarded better’ and the L1 and L2 clubs aren’t, then the financial gap between L1 and the championship will grow.

I take your point but on the other hand all three sides stopped up in the championship last season with ourselves and Millwall finishing in the top half. This season all three have done reasonably well so far.
I’ll stick with the gap being bigger between the top two divisions, certainly from a financial point of view but it’s all about opinions

 

[snootyfenooty]

I take your point but on the other hand all three sides stopped up in the championship last season with ourselves and Millwall finishing in the top half. This season all three have done reasonably well so far.
I’ll stick with the gap being bigger between the top two divisions, certainly from a financial point of view but it’s all about opinions

Where there's competition, an elite will always develop at the top of it, you can't stop it. The teams at the top of the Premiership don't look too unfamiliar to those in the 60s and 70s. If you interfere the end result will be mediocrity across the board. As you and others have pointed out, clubs who move up a notch can do well as the Prem and the Championship illustrated last season. Plus there are always car crashes waiting to happen as Sunderland, Bolton and Portsmouth (and us) have demonstrated in recent years. When the pigs implode there will be yet another opportunity for a club willing to step their game up.

The share out of money in the EFL is pretty much irrelevant in terms of buying success, there's not enough in it to buy your way up and it's coaching, managerial nous and academy success which are the big factors. It must be said though that a few extra £100ks can help those at the bottom of the pile in their battle for existence.

 

[Rob86]

Nope Sky don't sell on to other countries the Premier league does that itself. Sky makes its money via subscriptions and advertising. It's clearly profitable it's just been sold for 20 billion!!

Fooking hell, so, as I’m not very well educated in this - the £100m minimum to each team is Sky money ? and the Premier League then make extra cash from foreign channels ? Must be worth a small fortune themselves.

I know they makemoney from subscriptions and advertising but just can’t see how the amount they pay could generate the revenue back. Maybe why the bids reduced this season.

But for the EFL, as per the OP, until a competitor gets in, it is whatever they offer.

 

[Chali 2na]

But the evidence seems to show the gap between the PL and the championship isn’t insurmountable, quite the opposite. Over the last few seasons it’s become normal for at least two promoted sides to stay up. When we last went up it was normal for at least two to go straight back down.

If the championship clubs are ‘rewarded better’ and the L1 and L2 clubs aren’t, then the financial gap between L1 and the championship will grow.

The gap (according to your logic) between CH and L1 clearly isnt insurmountable either, as all the teams promoted 2 years ago remain in the division, and none of the teams promoted last year are in the relegation places.
In the PL, Fulham and Cardiff, both promoted last season are currently in the bottom 3, battling relegation.

And if the gap between L1 and the Championship grew, wouldn't that just reflect the level of interest/investment in the respective leagues?

 

[Kev Gee]

5 years seems too long in the current climate?

There will be alot of other companies coming into the mix in the next year or two.

I would rather a 2 or 3 year deal and evaluate again afterwards.

 

[Killamarshblades]

How does Sky make its money back ?[/QUOTE]

Through advertising and people like us stumping up 40/50 quid a month, however much pubs pay etc

 

[BushBlade]

The gap (according to your logic) between CH and L1 clearly isnt insurmountable either, as all the teams promoted 2 years ago remain in the division, and none of the teams promoted last year are in the relegation places.
In the PL, Fulham and Cardiff, both promoted last season are currently in the bottom 3, battling relegation.

And if the gap between L1 and the Championship grew, wouldn't that just reflect the level of interest/investment in the respective leagues?

I didn’t say it wasn’t. I asked a simple question ‘if Spongebob thinks there is an issue with the gap between the PL and the championship why doesn’t he think the gap between L1 and the championship is an issue?’ He answered it in another post when he referred to dog eat dog.

 

[I should coco]

A bit more detail on the deal and why so many clubs are knobbed off with it:

"The new deal allows Sky Sports to show 138 EFL games, every play-off match, 15 games in the EFL Cup and the semi-finals and final of the EFL Trophy. For the final two seasons of the contract, Sky Sports can broadcast an additional 20 league games, which must be taken out of the weekend programme.

In addition, Sky Sports can show any game they are not showing live, apart from matches that kick-off on Saturday at 15:00, on their red button service to residential customers."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/46282792

So any midweek, early/late Satdi or Sunday game is on the red button. The clubs claim this was not made clear as part of the deal.

"The Championship clubs are still to decide their next move.

Forming a breakaway league 'Premier League 2' has been rumoured but this is thought to be unlikely due to the timescales involved.
More likely, legal advice will be sought to see if any regulations have been broken in agreeing the contract.

In the meantime, attention may start to focus on Harvey, a former chief executive at Bradford and Leeds, who became EFL chief executive in 2013."

If the deal is signed, done and dusted then we may be stuck with it, but if we can get shut of idiot Harvey, then maybe every cloud has a silver lining.

 

[Chali 2na]

I didn’t say it wasn’t. I asked a simple question ‘if Spongebob thinks there is an issue with the gap between the PL and the championship why doesn’t he think the gap between L1 and the championship is an issue?’ He answered it in another post when he referred to dog eat dog.

Fair enough, what's your personal opinion on the deal? And if there has to be gap between the haves and have-nots, would you prefer that to be between the PL and CH or CH and L1?