Heres a thought regarding new sky deal

[Scooter_mcgavin]

We're getting a tenth of what the Premier League gets and it's split amongst the full 72 league clubs depending on the league you're in - evenly.

So, Sheff U will receive the same amount as Ipswich for example, yet we're on TV far more and it negatively affects the amount of matchday tickets sold.

Additionally here's food for thought.

Sheffield United last season had games with viewing figures above the 500k mark in the UK. Cardiff's last game in the Prem barely scraped 400k. But they're game is worth over 10x more apparently.

I agree with the clubs, the deal stinks.

 

[jt64]

Negatively affects ticket sales? Show your work

 

[Scooter_mcgavin]

Negatively affects ticket sales? Show your work

Errr, is this a serious response?

 

[chuffer]

Sky red button games midweek for a start! Away attendances have reduced considerably across the board.

 

[Worksop II]

Sky red button games midweek for a start! Away attendances have reduced considerably across the board.

If the Fans dont watch the Red Button, Sky will kick it into touch

I am guessing they do watch, so its a good thing

 

[Tezza1889]

How’s everybody watching the Rotherham game this Saturday?

Will you still think it’s a bad thing on Saturday as pretty much most of us get round the telly..

 

[Scooter_mcgavin]

How’s everybody watching the Rotherham game this Saturday?

Will you still think it’s a bad thing on Saturday as pretty much most of us get round the telly..

I haven't said it's a bad thing, I've said that the deal the clubs are getting is crap compared to the Prem clubs.

 

[Harry's Game]

We're getting a tenth of what the Premier League gets and it's split amongst the full 72 league clubs depending on the league you're in - evenly.

So, Sheff U will receive the same amount as Ipswich for example, yet we're on TV far more and it negatively affects the amount of matchday tickets sold.

Additionally here's food for thought.

Sheffield United last season had games with viewing figures above the 500k mark in the UK. Cardiff's last game in the Prem barely scraped 400k. But they're game is worth over 10x more apparently.

I agree with the clubs, the deal stinks.

Well no not quite you get a bonus top up for every live game you feature in so we would get more than Ipswich currently.

 

[SwissBlade]

I haven't said it's a bad thing, I've said that the deal the clubs are getting is crap compared to the Prem clubs.

maybe the prem deal is obscene

 

[chuffer]

If the Fans dont watch the Red Button, Sky will kick it into touch

I am guessing they do watch, so its a good thing

It's a good thing if you're an exiled blade.

I'm just surprised the clubs have signed up for it as the deal doesn't sound very lucrative.

 

[Tezza1889]

I haven't said it's a bad thing, I've said that the deal the clubs are getting is crap compared to the Prem clubs.

Fine mate, it’s a decent point if you don’t acknowledge the wages paid, regardless of the Aston Villa’s of this world, in this division the players are on the whole paid miles less, the tv deal is the ensure that the higher wages can be paid and therefore ensuring the best players in the world take part in their league.

When the teams get relegated they fall hard and fast unless they’ve done it right (like Burnley) those parachute payments service the mountain of debt they’ll face as they offload players, if the pigs go down from this division it’ll be the same effect, but without payments... that’d be fucking lovely, sorry for getting sidetracked..

 

[s4-blade]

Look at it another way, the EFL is fucking useless at everything it does. This is the perfect opportunity to leave these useless cretins behind.

 

[Worksop II]

It's a good thing if you're an exiled blade.

I'm just surprised the clubs have signed up for it as the deal doesn't sound very lucrative.

Money for nothing

 

[I should coco]

I'm just surprised the clubs have signed up for it as the deal doesn't sound very lucrative.

The clubs haven't. They don't sign on an individual basis.

They are members of the Football league and appoint a board to mismanage the deal for them, hence why 15 Chamionship clubs are very unhappy. This is being portayed in some media as 'greed at the expense of the little clubs' but the major concerns AIUI are:

-The red button is already having an effect on attendance and the clubs say they were never fully told about this (the FL deny this)

-The length of the deal is 5 years. Some of the more far-sighted clubs think the TV landscape will have changed greatly in that period, with a number of possible new players (Apple iTunes, Amazon, Facebook, Google etc etc). Sky know this too, hence their desire to lock the clubs in as long as possible.

Harvey who is head of the FL is an idiot in my book. He has 'rebranded' the oldest league competition in the world into the stupid 'EFL', gone grovelling to the big clubs (like Leicester and Southampton FFS) to put their U21s in the Paint Pot Shithouse Trophy (or whatever it is called now), and seems not to have any understanding of what fans want or the value of the history of the Football League.

I can only hope that the 15 rejectors (including SUFC?). stir up enough shit to get that idiot kicked out and appoint a board more sympathetic to fans and the fantastic heritage of the UK game.

 

[Scooter_mcgavin]

The clubs haven't. They don't sign on an individual basis.

They are members of the Football league and appoint a board to mismanage the deal for them, hence why 15 Chamionship clubs are very unhappy. This is being portayed in some media as 'greed at the expense of the little clubs' but the major concerns AIUI are:

-The red button is already having an effect on attendance and the clubs say they were never fully told about this (the FL deny this)

-The length of the deal is 5 years. Some of the more far-sighted clubs think the TV landscape will have changed greatly in that period, with a number of possible new players (Apple iTunes, Amazon, Facebook, Google etc etc). Sky know this too, hence their desire to lock the clubs in as long as possible.

Harvey who is head of the FL is an idiot in my book. He has 'rebranded' the oldest league competition in the world into the stupid 'EFL', gone grovelling to the big clubs (like Leicester and Southampton FFS) to put their U21s in the Paint Pot Shithouse Trophy (or whatever it is called now), and seems not to have any understanding of what fans want or the value of the history of the Football League.

I can only hope that the 15 rejectors (including SUFC?). stir up enough shit to get that idiot kicked out and appoint a board more sympathetic to fans and the fantastic heritage of the UK game.

Exactly, so in years 4 and 5, the gap between the Prem and 'EFL' will be even greater. Fuck, the parachute guys will probably be on 150m a season by then....

Great.

 

[sitwell]

Maybe we should get Richard Scudamore out of retirement ?

 

[Worksop II]

Maybe we should get Richard Scudamore out of retirement ?

He is still an advisor to the PL, so continues to draw a wedge

I dont know if he would have time for the EFL ......

 

[SwissBlade]

The clubs haven't. They don't sign on an individual basis.

They are members of the Football league and appoint a board to mismanage the deal for them, hence why 15 Chamionship clubs are very unhappy. This is being portayed in some media as 'greed at the expense of the little clubs' but the major concerns AIUI are:

-The red button is already having an effect on attendance and the clubs say they were never fully told about this (the FL deny this)

-The length of the deal is 5 years. Some of the more far-sighted clubs think the TV landscape will have changed greatly in that period, with a number of possible new players (Apple iTunes, Amazon, Facebook, Google etc etc). Sky know this too, hence their desire to lock the clubs in as long as possible.

Harvey who is head of the FL is an idiot in my book. He has 'rebranded' the oldest league competition in the world into the stupid 'EFL', gone grovelling to the big clubs (like Leicester and Southampton FFS) to put their U21s in the Paint Pot Shithouse Trophy (or whatever it is called now), and seems not to have any understanding of what fans want or the value of the history of the Football League.

I can only hope that the 15 rejectors (including SUFC?). stir up enough shit to get that idiot kicked out and appoint a board more sympathetic to fans and the fantastic heritage of the UK game.

The red button thing is a strange one as it gives fans what they want, just like the iFollow deal. Are we at a point now where its significantly better value to pay for sky subscription than to go to a game? It seems so. The problem which the red button has overcome is that it has provided a much better service than iFollow is able to do with such poor quality.

Midweek attendances are never great anyway, we're not currently suffering because of the red button as we're doing well but i imagine that if you're an Ipswich fan then its a great excuse not to go.

Personally i think that the deal looks bad because it's being compared to the Premier League deal, which is just obscene and far too complicated due to the number of subscriptions required - Sky, BT Sports and Amazon. At least the sky deal keeps things on one subscription, albeit without the flexibility to tailor the subscription to what you watch.

One thing which seems apparent is that Shaun Harvey and the EFL seem to be taking decisions which don't really have full backing, for whatever reason. No individual club or clique is bigger than the league and having thought about this recently, I would hate to see the ex premier league clubs like Villa trying to bully and dictate things to get some sort of breakaway league.

For those that know the deal better, i presume that the deal is a TV only deal, with online streaming tagged on through the red button, which would leave flexibility to negotiate a streaming deal later through other platforms.

Personally i'd like to pay my viewing subscription via the club and the platform (agreed with the EFL) is then linked to this subscription.

Within 5 years i think this has to happen as i don't want to be tied to a sky subscription by then

 

[Killamarshblades]

The deal doesnt look great i agree there, but if that's the best offer thats the best offer.

Dont like the idea of teams breaking away as read in some reports this morning, that's exactly how the premiership got set up and is just about pure greed from owners / clubs, rather than making the competition as a whole better.

The PL controls the money in this country, that 'product' is king and nothing in the next five years will change it

 

[I should coco]

One thing which seems apparent is that Shaun Harvey and the EFL seem to be taking decisions which don't really have full backing, for whatever reason. No individual club or clique is bigger than the league and having thought about this recently, I would hate to see the ex premier league clubs like Villa trying to bully and dictate things to get some sort of breakaway league.

It's not just Villa and DirtyLeeds, the Beeb suggest that 21 of the 24 Championship clubs are against it:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/46267320

"The EFL have stuck their necks out in signing this deal.

This morning, I was told 21 out of the 24 Championship clubs wanted the EFL to ask Sky for more time, or even negotiate a shorter contract, to allow some of the issues - amount of money being paid, the number of times clubs are on TV, the mass streaming of midweek games - to be sorted out.

Should this deal go through against their wishes, I was told by one senior club executive that the "EFL should not be patting themselves on the back thinking they have won and they should not see this as being done, because in fact, they have just started a war".

Five years FFS! You might ask yourself why the EFL board were in a rush to sign such a long deal, against the publicly stated opposition of a significant number of their members?

 

[Harrisblade]

How’s everybody watching the Rotherham game this Saturday?

Will you still think it’s a bad thing on Saturday as pretty much most of us get round the telly..

Just as well as most away game tickets are limited in number!

 

[SwissBlade]

It's not just Villa and DirtyLeeds, the Beeb suggest that 21 of the 24 Championship clubs are against it:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/46267320

"The EFL have stuck their necks out in signing this deal.

This morning, I was told 21 out of the 24 Championship clubs wanted the EFL to ask Sky for more time, or even negotiate a shorter contract, to allow some of the issues - amount of money being paid, the number of times clubs are on TV, the mass streaming of midweek games - to be sorted out.

Should this deal go through against their wishes, I was told by one senior club executive that the "EFL should not be patting themselves on the back thinking they have won and they should not see this as being done, because in fact, they have just started a war".

Five years FFS! You might ask yourself why the EFL board were in a rush to sign such a long deal, against the publicly stated opposition of a significant number of their members?

5 years is pretty standard isn't it?

And surely the tender process had been going on for some time, so i would guess that the process steps of evaluating the bids to confirm the winner to the EFL clubs was done within the required time frame

The great thing with the EFL is that the Championship clubs seem to have the same power as the league 2 clubs.

 

[Sean Thornton]

"Concluding these negotiations has indeed been challenging, as is the case when managing a diverse group of stakeholders, and the board took on board the comments and frustrations voiced by a number of clubs and has committed to reviewing the way the League engages with its clubs to ensure that we move forward in a collaborative way in the future," she said.

 

[alcoblade]

Money for nothing

It isn’t nothing. It has to be offset again the reduced attendances that follow.

 

[I should coco]

5 years is pretty standard isn't it?

No. The Premier League deals have all been either 3 or 4 years IIRC.

The great thing with the EFL is that the Championship clubs seem to have the same power as the league 2 clubs.

They all have one vote, but no-one tunes in to watch Bury, Fleetwood or Mansfield. As per ealier in this post, we get games with a bigger TV audience than the likes of Cardiff.

Lots of people want to watch us, Villa, DirtyLeeds, Forest, FL'sDC etc etc. It is for this reason that these clibs want a better deal, not just to take a few thousand more from the same clubs (i.e. a 'bigger cake').

I don't mind solidarity with the smaller clubs and it is not long since we were down there, but I hate Sky. They have profitted from football and consistently underpaid to build their own business. The EFL have missed a trick here as the Championship has never been more atractive and Sky know it!

 

[Worksop II]

It isn’t nothing. It has to be offset again the reduced attendances that follow.

You are assuming the thinking should have gone that far ahead, I am assuming it didn't

I bet them fuckers thought "money for nothing" ...... for 5 years

 

[MobileBlade]

BT are starting to pull out of football outside of Premier League and Europe unless they can pick it up for next to nothing (National League). They've pulled out of the Scottish League and would not go to the sums Sky are paying for efl.

Eleven Sports aren't established enough yet and there would also be conflict of interest (Leeds)

The others such as Amazon, Facebook etc are not ready to dip their toes into something as there is no guarantee of return.

Sky was the only option on the table for that sort of money. The efl basically had to bend over. Despite what the chairmen think, the other deals ain't there.

 

[BushBlade]

The clubs haven't. They don't sign on an individual basis.

They are members of the Football league and appoint a board to mismanage the deal for them, hence why 15 Chamionship clubs are very unhappy. This is being portayed in some media as 'greed at the expense of the little clubs' but the major concerns AIUI are:

-The red button is already having an effect on attendance and the clubs say they were never fully told about this (the FL deny this)

-The length of the deal is 5 years. Some of the more far-sighted clubs think the TV landscape will have changed greatly in that period, with a number of possible new players (Apple iTunes, Amazon, Facebook, Google etc etc). Sky know this too, hence their desire to lock the clubs in as long as possible.

Harvey who is head of the FL is an idiot in my book. He has 'rebranded' the oldest league competition in the world into the stupid 'EFL', gone grovelling to the big clubs (like Leicester and Southampton FFS) to put their U21s in the Paint Pot Shithouse Trophy (or whatever it is called now), and seems not to have any understanding of what fans want or the value of the history of the Football League.

I can only hope that the 15 rejectors (including SUFC?). stir up enough shit to get that idiot kicked out and appoint a board more sympathetic to fans and the fantastic heritage of the UK game.

I imagine some clubs still remember ITVdigital going down the pan. The danger is that the greedy fuckers jump into bed with a new provider, like eleven sports, who then go bust.

The technology is already there for Amazon etc so why haven’t they bid?

 

[I should coco]

The technology is already there for Amazon etc so why haven’t they bid?

Very early days for sports rights on t'interweb but that's surely where they will end up up.

“They are putting a lot of resource into it. Streaming services are learning in an environment where people now want instant results. We are entering a phase of change [with streaming companies] happening quicker now than any time in my TV production career.”

The UK has become Amazon’s test market for a foray into whether exclusive live sports can supercharge its Prime Video TV offering, and ultimately expand the 100 million-strong customer base who pay £79 a year for its Prime subscription service of perks, from free music streaming to one-day delivery.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/aug/25/can-amazon-ace-live-sports-broadcasting-us-open

I get the Eleven Sports (Elev8????) / ITV digital analogy, but why would anyone with a brain sign a 5 year deal in this rapidly changing world?
Oh yes, I forgot, it was Shaun Harvey wasn't it.......

 

[Boxer Blade]

When/if the "super six" premier league teams leave and form a European super league it will leave the league needing new clubs to maintain its existence, could be the time for a premier one and two, if the super league does manage to get off the ground I cannot see a long term future for it, I cannot see fans after a couple of years or so following their team abroad, it will become boring, if it happens I would love the premier league to the tell these clubs where to go because our new premier one and two is exciting and has big clubs, after saying that I would fully expext the premier league to buckle immediately and grant them anything they want.