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Unfortunately there's no room for sentiment in football, I love Chris and I desperately hope he can turn this around but where do you draw the line? what will our feelings be if we're still winless by Christmas? At the moment I really can't see where a win is coming from, confidence shot to bits, goal shy strikers and a midfield which literally creates nothing. We can all debate our summer transfer activity and my personal opinion it's been relatively poor and fairly underwhelming. Brewster is an exciting player and I'm sure he'll come good but did we need someone abit more proven at this level? We also have to ask ourselves where do we really see us going as a club, what are our serious expectations? We can't expect to be regular top half finishers but then in the same breath complain about paying good wages for players who will really improve us. Would we all be happy to just survive each year by the skin of our teeth so long as nobody is breaking the wage structure?
 

Ffs , let’s see how the next ten games go now we have the bad run of fixtures out of the way ... he deserves a least that doesn’t he ?
I would extend his contract !

with the level of investment we put in the team we are always gonna yo-yo and not be a fixture in the PL , yes it’s a lot for us but in PL terms it’s nowt !
 
Chingo said:
Ffs , let’s see how the next ten games go now we have the bad run of fixtures out of the way ... he deserves a least that doesn’t he ?
I would extend his contract !

with the level of investment we put in the team we are always gonna yo-yo and not be a fixture in the PL , yes it’s a lot for us but in PL terms it’s nowt !
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100% we are were everybody thought we should have been last year
The investment is way down on most of the Premiership
The only way we are going to get out of this is belief and graft
Also we need the fans back seems as though it ain’t in our favour these soulless stadiums.
 
Big Hitter said:
CW has proved his credentials for the club and us fans. We have seen in the past how knee jerk reactions like sacking the manager have played out down at the Lane. I'm sure I read an article once which said SUFC had had more managers than any other club in the Leagues over the last 40 years or so. No, Chris is in it with us for the long haul. Anybody know how many managers we have had in last 40 yrs or so. Go back to Furphy if you want.

Finally , it is possible to disagree without being disagreeable..
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18 by my recall.
Could have missed out Morgan as caretaker only. 18 since 1981.
 
bartman said:
I agree with reducing the age of the team but you still need experience.
Playing Stevens as a makeshift LCB seems daft when Jags could play there as an experienced head talking players through games. There wasnt a point giving Jags a new contract if a left wing back plays as a centre back before him. The same can be said of Rodwell not getting in the sqaud/team ahead of Lundstram whose form has been poor and is leaving the club.
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bartman said:
I agree with reducing the age of the team but you still need experience.
Playing Stevens as a makeshift LCB seems daft when Jags could play there as an experienced head talking players through games. There wasnt a point giving Jags a new contract if a left wing back plays as a centre back before him. The same can be said of Rodwell not getting in the sqaud/team ahead of Lundstram whose form has been poor and is leaving the club.
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Jagielka is fucking useless.
 
Did somebody mention Allardyce FFS
Some would rather have him than Wilder youre fucking insane

If we do happen to get relegated who do you think would be the man to get us back up, who is the man that got the absolute maximum out of these players and then some
Did Burnley sack Dyche when they got relegated no they didnt they realised he was the man to take them back up to the PL.

I depair at some of the bedwetters on this forum do they realise where we have come from it was the arse end of League One if you didnt know and we made it to the PL in just 4 seasons, have they just jumped on the glory hunting bandwagon or are they just moaning fuckers that would find something to moan about just for the fucking sake of moaning
 
Pedro Verde said:
Did somebody mention Allardyce FFS
Some would rather have him than Wilder youre fucking insane

If we do happen to get relegated who do you think would be the man to get us back up, who is the man that got the absolute maximum out of these players and then some
Did Burnley sack Dyche when they got relegated no they didnt they realised he was the man to take them back up to the PL.

I depair at some of the bedwetters on this forum do they realise where we have come from it was the arse end of League One if you didnt know and we made it to the PL in just 4 seasons, have they just jumped on the glory hunting bandwagon or are they just moaning fuckers that would find something to moan about just for the fucking sake of moaning
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I'd calm down if I were you. A reference to Allardyce was referring to his ability to get teams out of relegation trouble, not that one would find his football exciting to watch.

At the moment you'd have to be a pig to find this stuff exciting. Frankly it is turgid and since CWAK are responsible for training/managing what is going on I suggest that

1. It isn't working
2. There is some evidence Wilder has lost the plot. His interview after Chelsea was crap, largely reinforcing that they were supermen and we were also rans. What a great confidence booster that was.
3. Since lockdown we have been garbage, utter shite that is what 15 games or something. Dunno, so depressing one loses track of counting.

So Wilder either come up with a plan B or fall on your sword and let some other bugger try. Cos at the moment it aint working.

Pommpey had the best take on it in another post. Nothing more to be said. It is shit, we'll go down playing like this so ffs change it man!!
 
Wilder and Knilly have been responsible for the best times I've experienced as a Blade for as many years as I can remember. I'm 61. Harris was in charge when I started going to BDTBL.
CWAK is probably the best management team we've had in all that time since. Yet folk want him out because we are on an admittedly terrible run of form.
I don't want him out. I can see he is struggling but for Gods sake who wouldnt struggle with the spine of the team decimated (no Hendo Moose Fleck O'Connell) players thinking they are better than the club (Lunny) no fans in stadiums to get behind us.
Wilder has shown us last year what a magnificent tune he can get out of players we can afford, and has created teams much better than the sum of their parts.
HE WILL DO SO AGAIN.
It may take longer than we want.
We may go down.
If we do go down, I want Wilder leading our troops to try and get us back.
He is one of us.
He has proved with a fair wind, even with the lowest budget he can compete in the Prem.
We currently have not only the lowest budget, but also a decimated team.
Let not us the fans be responsible for him going! If he has to go it will be the board's decision.
Lets us as fans not give the board any more reason to do it than the results alone.
I want Wilder to create a Blades dynasty for years to come. If finances dictate we need to yoyo as Burney have until we can establish ourselves, so be it.
CW & AK have my full support and I thank them from the bottom of my heart for getting us here from what seemed an impossible place under Adkins & Clough.
Long live King Wilder.
UTB & FTP.
 
The Bear said:
I'd calm down if I were you. A reference to Allardyce was referring to his ability to get teams out of relegation trouble, not that one would find his football exciting to watch.

At the moment you'd have to be a pig to find this stuff exciting. Frankly it is turgid and since CWAK are responsible for training/managing what is going on I suggest that

1. It isn't working
2. There is some evidence Wilder has lost the plot. His interview after Chelsea was crap, largely reinforcing that they were supermen and we were also rans. What a great confidence booster that was.
3. Since lockdown we have been garbage, utter shite that is what 15 games or something. Dunno, so depressing one loses track of counting.

So Wilder either come up with a plan B or fall on your sword and let some other bugger try. Cos at the moment it aint working.

Pommpey had the best take on it in another post. Nothing more to be said. It is shit, we'll go down playing like this so ffs change it man!!
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Well he ain't changing much for next game according to Cris with main players being away on international duty he hasn't got time to work on the shape so sticking with it
 
hello said:
18 by my recall.
Could have missed out Morgan as caretaker only. 18 since 1981.
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Yes - just looked on Wikipedia which lists them all going back to Furphy and there are 27 ( which includes two spells by Morgan as caretaker ). I'd almost forgotten such stars as .. Weir, Slade (twice), Thompson, Carver.... Yeah we'll stick with CW.
 

melreesrip said:
Well he ain't changing much for next game according to Cris with main players being away on international duty he hasn't got time to work on the shape so sticking with it
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If we had the crowds in I'd say we had a chance, but as it is defeat again I am afraid.
 
Pedro Verde said:
Did somebody mention Allardyce FFS
Some would rather have him than Wilder youre fucking insane

If we do happen to get relegated who do you think would be the man to get us back up, who is the man that got the absolute maximum out of these players and then some
Did Burnley sack Dyche when they got relegated no they didnt they realised he was the man to take them back up to the PL.

I depair at some of the bedwetters on this forum do they realise where we have come from it was the arse end of League One if you didnt know and we made it to the PL in just 4 seasons, have they just jumped on the glory hunting bandwagon or are they just moaning fuckers that would find something to moan about just for the fucking sake of moaning
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Just for the record I was speculating that IF Wilder did leave then Allardyce would be a sensible choice to fight relegation.

I should also state that I think wilder has done an incredible job and i really really don’t want him to leave, he could have this job for 20 years if it was my decision.
 
bartman said:
Dont agree.we are currently playing hoofball. Our midfield cant control the ball. We lack ideas on the pitch.A lot of his signings over the last 18 months have not fitted into the team. His position will be looked at by HRH
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hello said:
www.thestar.co.uk

Sheffield United manager Chris Wilder admits he is facing a big dilemma over the international break - and this is it

It is to Chris Wilder’s credit, despite acknowledging Sheffield United are in a perilous predicament, that he finds himself agonising about doing something which could help them win more points but would cause more irreparable damage to the spirit of the game.
www.thestar.co.uk www.thestar.co.uk
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If those comments are genuine , I find them both saddening and worrying .
 
vas borbokis said:
Wilder and Knilly have been responsible for the best times I've experienced as a Blade for as many years as I can remember. I'm 61. Harris was in charge when I started going to BDTBL.
CWAK is probably the best management team we've had in all that time since. Yet folk want him out because we are on an admittedly terrible run of form.
I don't want him out. I can see he is struggling but for Gods sake who wouldnt struggle with the spine of the team decimated (no Hendo Moose Fleck O'Connell) players thinking they are better than the club (Lunny) no fans in stadiums to get behind us.
Wilder has shown us last year what a magnificent tune he can get out of players we can afford, and has created teams much better than the sum of their parts.
HE WILL DO SO AGAIN.
It may take longer than we want.
We may go down.
If we do go down, I want Wilder leading our troops to try and get us back.
He is one of us.
He has proved with a fair wind, even with the lowest budget he can compete in the Prem.
We currently have not only the lowest budget, but also a decimated team.
Let not us the fans be responsible for him going! If he has to go it will be the board's decision.
Lets us as fans not give the board any more reason to do it than the results alone.
I want Wilder to create a Blades dynasty for years to come. If finances dictate we need to yoyo as Burney have until we can establish ourselves, so be it.
CW & AK have my full support and I thank them from the bottom of my heart for getting us here from what seemed an impossible place under Adkins & Clough.
Long live King Wilder.
UTB & FTP.
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I have not seen a more sensible post for weeks coming from a blade with enough experience to realise that this down time will not last forever and that building a younger more talented team will be good in the long term
 
In some parts of matches I.e. Liverpool, we have played as well as we did last season.
We have just got stuck in a rut, had some bad luck, I.e sending off, missed some chances / penalties. If we had not seen this evidence I would be worried, but this squad of players , with this management team have done it before and will do it again!
 
The Bear said:
I'd calm down if I were you. A reference to Allardyce was referring to his ability to get teams out of relegation trouble, not that one would find his football exciting to watch.

At the moment you'd have to be a pig to find this stuff exciting. Frankly it is turgid and since CWAK are responsible for training/managing what is going on I suggest that

1. It isn't working
2. There is some evidence Wilder has lost the plot. His interview after Chelsea was crap, largely reinforcing that they were supermen and we were also rans. What a great confidence booster that was.
3. Since lockdown we have been garbage, utter shite that is what 15 games or something. Dunno, so depressing one loses track of counting.

So Wilder either come up with a plan B or fall on your sword and let some other bugger try. Cos at the moment it aint working.

Pommpey had the best take on it in another post. Nothing more to be said. It is shit, we'll go down playing like this so ffs change it man!!
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So when was any team last relegated after 8 games

There are 30 games left 19 v teams from 9th in the table down

We have played 6 teams with European qualification squads

Last season we started v Bournemouth palace etc

We lost to 3 teams below 8th last season . That's our aim again as is any club not in the top 6
We look at changing after 15 to 18 games if there's no progress
Not before
 
It's already been said a few times, but some people do have very short memories.

".....On 12 May 2016, Wilder joined his boyhood club Sheffield United as their new manager on a three-year contract, following the parting of company with Nigel Adkins..."

Just over four years ago we were staring at our worst league table finish in 33 years.

We had been in League 1 for six years.

Chris Wilder and Alan Knill came in and got us promoted at the first attempt, and if Paul Coutts hadn't suffered that horrific leg break, there is a chance we would have gone up again in successive seasons.

As it was, they did that the following season, and we came up in the automatic spots, with a chance of being promoted as Champions, which went to the final game.

Top 10 finish in our first season back in the Premier League.

We are having a tough time at the moment, no one can deny it, and we have had really bad luck in losing JOC, Fleck and Mousset all at the same time. Two of them will come back soon, but admittedly JOC is a huge loss for us.

With 30 odd games left, we have to believe that we can make it to 4th from bottom, and that's all we need to do this year.

If we all agree, that survival is all we need to do, then we don't need Allerdyce or anyone else, but we do need a change of system, to stop us leaking goals, and we need to find a way to score more.

And to all the pig fans who are on our forum, you have enough problems of your own.

The title of this thread, "he has to go", ffs................
 
blade too long said:
We have played 6 teams with European qualification squads
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Who are the 6 teams out of interest? Leeds, Villa and Fulham are all potential relegation battlers not European contenders, if they contend for Europe then it's an anomaly like us last season.

I agree, we've had a tough start, however there isn't such a thing as an easy run of fixtures so to have only picked up 1 point from 8 is a pretty big step towards relegation in my view.

I'd stick by CWAK whatever happens though.
 
Essentially what some people are saying is that Wilder should be sacked - or have his management position questioned - for being idiotic enough to get us promoted far too early. We still had a L1 squad, didn't have wealthy owners and weren't likely to get any and he should have known that the fans would expect a permanent stay in the top flight without any hint of bad patch or threat of relegation.
He really was very stupid.
 
Isaw Joeshaw said:
If those comments are genuine , I find them both saddening and worrying .
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and also a load of bollocks! Stats may say we didnt foul as much as others last season but lets be right, we are hardly choirboys out there! All the players are capable of tactical fouls (many have been booked for it), christ look at how we used to (in champ) take it in turns to foul Grealish. And as for buying fouls there's not many better at it than Billy. As said on a thread a while back, we are not afraid to chuck in a dive when we think it might work, just so happens Bash and Baldock are wank at it and it just looks stupid. I wouldnt read much into that, just usual manager deflecting attention elsewhere that i'd like to think absolutely no one falls for!
 
This thread is an embarrassment any fans from other teams looking in will think what a bunch of deluded entitled fans we are. I have been a supporter since 1976 and this is as good as its gets in the modern era without big £££. And what is the fan base doing, its tearing its hair out after 8 games and wants to get rid of one of our best managers and replace with who?? not as if we will have a list of experienced successful managers beating down our door, it will be someone with less experience then Chris Wilder has. Then what rinse, repeat!
 
Woodward's Currie said:
This thread is an embarrassment any fans from other teams looking in will think what a bunch of deluded entitled fans we are. I have been a supporter since 1976 and this is as good as its gets in the modern era without big £££. And what is the fan base doing, its tearing its hair out after 8 games and wants to get rid of one of our best managers and replace with who?? not as if we will have a list of experienced successful managers beating down our door, it will be someone with less experience then Chris Wilder has. Then what rinse, repeat!
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I think it’s just how message boards work. People look for simple solutions to complex problems. Drop this player, play that player etc. Life’s rarely that simple. When you have key players injured and other players suffering from a loss of form, there isn’t always a simple solution. Particularly when you’re operating under restraints. If you’re Liverpool or Man City and you lose your key players, it tends to mean you don’t win the league. If you’re a club like us, it means you’re in a relegation battle. People don’t like to say ‘I don’t know’ but in truth, I’ve got no idea how we’re going to get out of this other than hard work on the training ground and a bit of luck. Clubs have done it before, including us, so I’m hopeful.

For me, staying up last season was always the main priority, so we got three years parachute payments, not two. It may be a case of having to take a step back before we go forwards. It’s disappointing but not entirely unexpected. We came a long way very quickly and sometimes that can catch up with you.
 

derekacorah said:
Who are the 6 teams out of interest? Leeds, Villa and Fulham are all potential relegation battlers not European contenders, if they contend for Europe then it's an anomaly like us last season.

I agree, we've had a tough start, however there isn't such a thing as an easy run of fixtures so to have only picked up 1 point from 8 is a pretty big step towards relegation in my view.

I'd stick by CWAK whatever happens though.
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There's no easy fixtures

But there are those where the gulf not so big.and we can compete on a more level playing field
 
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