He got the Ball (First) - Still a Red Card

[William Henry Foulkes]

As I understand it, "He got the ball" is another popular but limited defence.

The obvious case in point is Baxter, but more generally even if you do win the ball you can still rightly, within the laws, be sent off.

I haven't got the facts at my fingertips but isn't the wording something like "reckless" or "out of control"?

You can win the ball with a strong challenge, and clearly that's fine, but you can also win the ball and, correctly, be dismissed if the ref deems you've been reckless (or whatever the wording is) about it.

Can't you?

 

[HillmortonBlade]

As I understand it, "He got the ball" is another popular but limited defence.

The obvious case in point is Baxter, but more generally even if you do win the ball you can still rightly, within the laws, be sent off.

I haven't got the facts at my fingertips but isn't the wording something like "reckless" or "out of control"?

You can win the ball with a strong challenge, and clearly that's fine, but you can also win the ball and, correctly, be dismissed if the ref deems you've been reckless (or whatever the wording is) about it.

Can't you?

I have come to associate players being sent off with them illustrating with their hands that they "won the ball", Learn the rules Lads and Lasses.

 

[Living In a Fantasy World]

The "he got the ball" is no longer a defense anymore, tackles like that can not be allowed anymore.
Maybe one day players will learn, would Baxter like to be at the end of one of them tackles, that be a no!

 

[Fiery Blade]

To be fair most professional footballers look like they have been taken out by a sniper every time they get tackled - they either play dead for 2-3 minutes or writhe around in agony for 3-4 minutes before getting up and jogging off !
Having watched a fair amount of Rugby in the last few years - a much harder and tougher sport altogether professional footballers wouldn't last 10 minutes on a rugby field.
Perhaps its the foreign player influence, perhaps it's television but most players (including the Blades) are soft centred, lilly livered, whimps that couldn't beat their way out of a wet paper bag - Give me Norman Hunter and Franny Lee any day ! That's when footballers were men not big soft girls !!!

 

[HillmortonBlade]

To be fair most professional footballers look like they have been taken out by a sniper every time they get tackled - they either play dead for 2-3 minutes or writhe around in agony for 3-4 minutes before getting up and jogging off !
Having watched a fair amount of Rugby in the last few years - a much harder and tougher sport altogether professional footballers wouldn't last 10 minutes on a rugby field.
Perhaps its the foreign player influence, perhaps it's television but most players (including the Blades) are soft centred, lilly livered, whimps that couldn't beat their way out of a wet paper bag - Give me Norman Hunter and Franny Lee any day ! That's when footballers were men not big soft girls !!!

As sport has become more and more professional, I have had the opportunity to meet with players of football and rugby.And it's quite a surprise how delicate most footballers are, and how huge rugby players are. It leaves comparisons almost redundant.

 

[Fiery Blade]

Perhaps if footballers cut out the play acting it would improve the game - to roll around on the ground so that it stops play then to jump up and run around is really taking the p*ss. !
The other thing that really annoys me is the increasing trend for teams to try and get players of the other side sent off ( as Swindon - Higdon the other week) United are guilty and Mr Clough in particular !

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

As I understand it, "He got the ball" is another popular but limited defence.

The obvious case in point is Baxter, but more generally even if you do win the ball you can still rightly, within the laws, be sent off.

I haven't got the facts at my fingertips but isn't the wording something like "reckless" or "out of control"?

You can win the ball with a strong challenge, and clearly that's fine, but you can also win the ball and, correctly, be dismissed if the ref deems you've been reckless (or whatever the wording is) about it.

Can't you?

You can be sent off for making the best tackle ever, ask George.

 

[Cutbush City Limits]

I often have the Rugby Vs' Football arguement with my boss at work. His common retort to my odd shaped balls comments is that "Rugby is where players spend 80 minutes pretending they are not hurt...football is where players spend 90 minutes pretending they ARE hurt" I am beginning to think he has a good point!

 

[Fulwood Blade]

From our view in South stand (and not seen it on video yet), Baxter's heel appears to get the ball and because of that he goes over the ball and straight through to the Coventry player. My eyes aren't bril these days but that's how it seems.

I was just staggered at why he did it - and that includes Higdon at Chezzer and Basham at P Vale - off their feet, out of control leaving the ref no option.

Baxter has zero defence unless there are some rose tinted glasses Blades out their?

UTB

 

[Fiery Blade]

From our view in South stand (and not seen it on video yet), Baxter's heel appears to get the ball and because of that he goes over the ball and straight through to the Coventry player. My eyes aren't bril these days but that's how it seems.

I was just staggered at why he did it - and that includes Higdon at Chezzer and Basham at P Vale - off their feet, out of control leaving the ref no option.

Baxter has zero defence unless there are some rose tinted glasses Blades out their?

UTB

Anyone who defends Baxter is frankly off their trolley ! Should be fined the maximum for a disgrace of a challenge He let down his team mates, his manager ,his club and the fans !

If he put in as much effort actually moving around the pitch as he did into that one tackle he would be a world beater !

 

[Bill the Butcher]

To be fair most professional footballers look like they have been taken out by a sniper every time they get tackled - they either play dead for 2-3 minutes or writhe around in agony for 3-4 minutes before getting up and jogging off !
Having watched a fair amount of Rugby in the last few years - a much harder and tougher sport altogether professional footballers wouldn't last 10 minutes on a rugby field.
Perhaps its the foreign player influence, perhaps it's television but most players (including the Blades) are soft centred, lilly livered, whimps that couldn't beat their way out of a wet paper bag - Give me Norman Hunter and Franny Lee any day ! That's when footballers were men not big soft girls !!!

Its all kevin davies' fault! really, watching him "Play" makes my blood boil even when watching him against manure on the TV othernight got me mad.

 

[metalblade]

Baxter's lunge pfft, anyone remember that head high kung fu style tackle by Sun Jihai where the whole crowd gasped thinking he was going to take the other players head off ? I think he had already had two sending off's to his name with us how he got away with that lunge I'll never know, he should have had a red card for intent if the other player hadn't ducked out he would have killed him.

 

[Taramasalata]

I think you are looking for the term...doing a scholes.

Nuff said

 

[Bergen Blade]

I often have the Rugby Vs' Football arguement with my boss at work. His common retort to my odd shaped balls comments is that "Rugby is where players spend 80 minutes pretending they are not hurt...football is where players spend 90 minutes pretending they ARE hurt" I am beginning to think he has a good point!

Rugby, and other sports, is what they take up, the kids that can't play football.

 

[HillmortonBlade]

Rugby, and other sports, is what they take up, the kids that can't play football.

I am football, through and through. I have played the game, I have coached the game for years at junior level. Honestly, some people are better rugby players than football players. I want to agree Bergan, but in my experience it just ain't so and I can't let that comment go while thinking of the boys I have seen move across to play rugby.

 

[HillmortonBlade]

I have seen good footballers who were great rugby players, but preferred football and played at a lower level. And I can't really say I have any time for egg chasing.

 

[HolmesfieldBlade]

By one rule it's a good challenge, he got the ball cleanly.

However by another rule its reckless and dangerous play, as soon as you go in two-footed with your studs showing like that you're going to get a card.

Foolish play by Baxter.

 

[Treeton Blade]

It was a reckless moment, and Baxter owes us, and his team mates big style, a clear red card.
Well done though to Adam Barton for rolling around, and another pat on the back for Jim O Brien for running to Mr Drysdale to point out the rules.

 

[1889]

It must be a nightmare for referees, every player seems to go down dramatically at the first sight of a touch. It's just implausible that such little contact can have such effect. I would love to see a referee award the player a free kick, but also book him for making a meal of it. Same as players going down holding their face or other body part, when there was clearly no contact, in my opinion they should get a retrospective months ban from video evidence.

There was so much of it on Saturday the ref eventually just began to ignore lots of fouls and tell them to play on, which meant that they soon got up again funnily enough?

 

[Sharpestblade]

I saw the tackle as a yellow. Yes Baxter goes in with both feet but only one foot is aimed at the ball, the foot is low and there is only moderate force. The Coventry player could easily have remained standing on one leg and you see him spin round and then decide to go down. Baxter was not out of control running round like a headless chicken and the game had no malice in it before then. So taking all that into account it's a yellow not a red. Referees need to try to keep 11 players a side on to keep the game entertaining.

Long term we need to decide whether we are going to end up with a game without tackling which is part of the entertainment of the game.

 

[cooperblade]

I think Baxter had seen O'Brien only get a yellow for nearly snapping Murphy in two well after the ball had gone and thought 'anything goes with this ref'.

Be interested for to hear the ref explain why he raised the red card and then stared at the United fans. Almost like he wanted to enjoy the reaction.

 

[Fiery Blade]

I saw the tackle as a yellow. Yes Baxter goes in with both feet but only one foot is aimed at the ball, the foot is low and there is only moderate force. The Coventry player could easily have remained standing on one leg and you see him spin round and then decide to go down. Baxter was not out of control running round like a headless chicken and the game had no malice in it before then. So taking all that into account it's a yellow not a red. Referees need to try to keep 11 players a side on to keep the game entertaining.

Long term we need to decide whether we are going to end up with a game without tackling which is part of the entertainment of the game.

If that tackle had come in from a Coventry player on Saturday there would have been calls from three sides of the ground for a Red Card.
That tackle wasn't entertaining, it was dangerous two footed and studs showing and could have resulted in a serious injury - Yes perhaps the guy did make a meal of it all footballers do nowadays (even the ones in red and white striped shirts)

 

[Fiery Blade]

I think Baxter had seen O'Brien only get a yellow for nearly snapping Murphy in two well after the ball had gust of wind could gone and thought 'anything goes with this ref'.

Be interested for to hear the ref explain why he raised the red card and then stared at the United fans. Almost like he wanted to enjoy the reaction.

A gust of wind could nigh on snap Murphy in two !! He wouldn't have been first on William Wallace's pick list when going into battle !

 

[Dnblade]

To be fair most professional footballers look like they have been taken out by a sniper every time they get tackled - they either play dead for 2-3 minutes or writhe around in agony for 3-4 minutes before getting up and jogging off !
Having watched a fair amount of Rugby in the last few years - a much harder and tougher sport altogether professional footballers wouldn't last 10 minutes on a rugby field.
Perhaps its the foreign player influence, perhaps it's television but most players (including the Blades) are soft centred, lilly livered, whimps that couldn't beat their way out of a wet paper bag - Give me Norman Hunter and Franny Lee any day ! That's when footballers were men not big soft girls !!!

I think it's more to do with the nature of the game FB..if a Footballer gets his ankles tapped and stays on his feet,then it's unlikely the Ref will blow up for a foul...if he goes down,then the Ref is more likely to give a foul...even then the Ref doesn't always give anything,so that's when all the theatricals come in...I don't like to see it,but I can see why they do it...it's when they go down without being touched that's pathetic.
In Rugby if somebody tries to pull you down or tackle you...your generally not going to gain anything by going down...at least we've never seen a Footballer bring fake blood onto the pitch.

 

[Balham]

I think Baxter had seen O'Brien only get a yellow for nearly snapping Murphy in two well after the ball had gone and thought 'anything goes with this ref'.

Be interested for to hear the ref explain why he raised the red card and then stared at the United fans. Almost like he wanted to enjoy the reaction.

This.

I tweeted to Foxy/Linz after the red card that the difference was down to the reaction of the player fouled. Murphy got straight back up; their player stayed on the ground until the red was shown.

I'll probably be in a minority here but I thought O'Brien's tackle on Murphy was far worse. It was late, pre-meditated and took Murphy out halfway up the calf. O'Brien was incredibly fortunate to stay on the pitch.

 

[cooperblade]

This.

I tweeted to Foxy/Linz after the red card that the difference was down to the reaction of the player fouled. Murphy got straight back up; their player stayed on the ground until the red was shown.

I'll probably be in a minority here but I thought O'Brien's tackle on Murphy was far worse. It was late, pre-meditated and took Murphy out halfway up the calf. O'Brien was incredibly fortunate to stay on the pitch.

I do think we're a bit too honest sometimes. One of our players (think it was Doyle but can't remember for certain) could've gone down for a strong penalty claim in the first half but chose to play on. Don't think a Swindon / PNE / MK Dons player would've hesitated to hit the deck.

 

[Grecian2000]

I'm afraid you end up with the game you deserve.

When this was a game played by men that wouldn't even have been a foul. You got the ball, if you took some of the man as well, BONUS!
Now it's played by nonces (and in general watched by such, screaming for a foul everytime one of their players is touched) the rules have changed (not surprising thinking about Platini and how he reacted to anyone with the afront to tackle him) and the referees have a nigh on impossible task of sorting out proper fouls with intent and player over reaction.

It's really sad watching most of the time. Players with the "right to go down" if someone farts in the box, players rolling over four and five times before jumping to their feet (that cunt from Chelsea on MOTD) and the game being spoiled by going to 10 v 11 at the slightest opportunity.
I still remember Alan Ball being dismissed at BDTBL, it was a huge event, a sending off. Now it's common place and the game is much the worse for it.

 

[mattbianco1]

I don't see how anybody could complain at that challenge. Definitely deserved to go. For me he let the team down as we would've beaten a very poor Coventry side if he hadn't walked

 

[Mousey]

Perhaps its the foreign player influence, perhaps it's television but most players (including the Blades) are soft centred, lilly livered, whimps that couldn't beat their way out of a wet paper bag - Give me Norman Hunter and Franny Lee any day ! That's when footballers were men not big soft girls !!!

Anyone who defends Baxter is frankly off their trolley ! Should be fined the maximum for a disgrace of a challenge He let down his team mates, his manager ,his club and the fans !

Do you not find these two post very contradictory? You would prefer to watch the "hard" type of player from yest-a-year that wouldn't think twice about jumping in with a leg breaker of a challenge. Yet you then lambast Baxter for jumping in to a tackle which you label as a disgrace. It wasn't a great challenge but I doubt it was malicious in any way.

It seems hypocritical to demand such extreme action on Baxter while championing players in the past who would do much worse given half the chance.

 

[Selly]

Having seen the challenge on TV, it seems to me that he goes in wioth both feet off the ground. Once you do tht you are out of control, you cant change direction at all.

Blatant red. Just because the Coventry player wasn`t SO doesn`t make it right.