Have EFL charged Forest yet?

[Snowflake]

I wonder why it needs an independent regulatory commission to state the obvious?

Because both clubs are members of the EFL it would be wrong for the EFL to sit as prosecution and judge.
I think it is the FA who bring the charge, but the point remains valid.

 

[espoo blade]

What happened to the other clubs who had pitch invasions around the same time ? Does this fine/punishment equate with those ?

Port Vale fined £15k.

Vale fined £15,000 for play-off pitch invasion

Port Vale are fined £15,000 by the FA for the mass pitch invasion that followed their League Two play-off semi-final win over Swindon in May.

www.bbc.com

Huddersfield £70k

Huddersfield fined £70,000 for May pitch invasion

Huddersfield are fined £70,000 following a pitch invasion after their Championship play-off semi-final win against Luton in May.

www.bbc.com

 

[Snowflake]

Port Vale fined £15k.

Vale fined £15,000 for play-off pitch invasion

Port Vale are fined £15,000 by the FA for the mass pitch invasion that followed their League Two play-off semi-final win over Swindon in May.

www.bbc.com

Huddersfield £70k

Huddersfield fined £70,000 for May pitch invasion

Huddersfield are fined £70,000 following a pitch invasion after their Championship play-off semi-final win against Luton in May.

www.bbc.com

Thanks. The invasion at Huddersfield must have been terrifying !!!!!

 

[Blade56]

Don’t think Billy would agree….

 

[west_yorks_blade]

Thanks. The invasion at Huddersfield must have been terrifying !!!!!

And presumably several more Luton players were attacked and injured by fans than was the case at Forrest - I don't remember reading about that.

 

[Jinxy1966]

Half the fine suspended as well. What a fuckin joke.

 

[Bladesman]

Don’t think Billy would agree….
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He will have said that with a straight face as well.

Imagine walking away from that match thinking you actually did a good job.

 

[brownblade]

Absolutely fucking astonishing. Pathetically, disgracefully bad. Football authorities are a laughing stock.

 

[Addison]

Disgraceful decision and the written reasons confirm the FA's dilatory handling of this matter. Huddersfield admitted their part in a pitch invasion back in September and were fined £70,000. No players were headbutted. Florist play the not liable card, draw out the process requesting personal hearings and get fined £20,00 less and manage to get a free head butt in for good measure.

The reason this has taken so long is Florist have drawn it out initially refusing to admit liability in October and requesting a personal hearing. They have then subsequently admitted liability on one of the four charges in January 2023, that one being the tunnel area wasn't policed properly clearly on advice after the assault on Billy. The other charges related to insufficient stewards, insufficient deployment of stewards and failure to screen for pyrotechnics.

Florist produced a number of experts at the Hearing, the FA produced none. The FA failed to bring the fourth charge re pyrotechnics in good time so it was thrown out. Those Blades playing head tennis with smoke bombs after the final whistle will be delighted to hear that this was not pursued due to FA incompetence.

Florists due diligence argument that there were sufficient stewarding on the first two points was proven mainly due to the evidence of their experts and the lack of any counter argument from the FA. Always good to get a dig in at the opposition manager to deflect blame and make no reference whatsoever to the attacks on other Blades players and staff by saying the Sharp incident was isolated.

Florist were found to be in breach of not policing the tunnel area as a consequence of the assault on Billy. A charge they eventually grudgingly admitted. Yet despite acknowledging the seriousness of the assault the commission then dilute their ruling by stating that although it was unprovoked and serious Florist fans have raised £25,000 for one of Billys charitys. How is that relevant to the charge admitted by NFFC? In fact if the assault hadn't occurred they state the fine would be lower!!

A complete whitewash. You have to say Florist have played a blinder. Delayed the matter brought in expert evidence and relied on the FA's indifference to the process. What is concerning are the commissions statements that dilute the assault on Billy Sharp. To refer to it as a minor breach calls into question the competence of those sitting on the panel and the effectiveness of FA sanctions.

The PFA must have concerns following this ruling. The report is oblivious to player safety yet a criminal act occurred against one of their representatives on a football pitch in full view of inadequate stewarding and policing. There were immediate promises made by the FA that this would not be tolerated after the assault. This was an opportunity to set an example and implement sanctions beyond a fine such as ground closure. The very fact they have not even bothered to provide adequate expert evidence and meet timescales to submit charges confirms that the FA are just hot air and not interested in player safety. A robust FA would challenge this ruling through the appeal process. Then again to do so they would have had to have employed competent legal advisors in the first place. Its only SUFC and Billy Sharp. One wonders how much more time they would have devoted to this if it was Englands captain Harry Kane on the receiving end.

Based on the content of the written reasons there would seem to be grounds for BS pursuing a civil action against NFFC imo for failing to protect him after the final whistle.

A good case study for any other club that gets charged in future with a breach of FA rule E20. Follow the Baldrick rule

 

[metalblade]

What a fkin joke

 

[Booker4]

It's a joke. Should have been a hefty fine, say £500,000, and a suspended three points deduction.

 

[Corkblade]

Post Hillsborough crowd fencing was removed and rightly so. Club's were given responsibility to steward fan's going forward. Pitch invasions have become common in the last couple of seasons and players being assaulted as well, if this had been a uefa match then the guilty club would have been made play a least one match behind closed doors and wouldn't have taken a year to give out punishment.
The other fines handed out were derisory as well,it's not all about forest.
It says to me that the football authorities don't care about players, officials safety etc and the indeed are fair game to be assaulted in there place of work.
It's an insult to the people who gave there life's in the tragedy of Hillsborough, l say shame on the fa,efl etc

 

[robbiez666]

Utter fucking cunts

 

[Corkblade]

Disgraceful decision and the written reasons confirm the FA's dilatory handling of this matter. Huddersfield admitted their part in a pitch invasion back in September and were fined £70,000. No players were headbutted. Florist play the not liable card, draw out the process requesting personal hearings and get fined £20,00 less and manage to get a free head butt in for good measure.

The reason this has taken so long is Florist have drawn it out initially refusing to admit liability in October and requesting a personal hearing. They have then subsequently admitted liability on one of the four charges in January 2023, that one being the tunnel area wasn't policed properly clearly on advice after the assault on Billy. The other charges related to insufficient stewards, insufficient deployment of stewards and failure to screen for pyrotechnics.

Florist produced a number of experts at the Hearing, the FA produced none. The FA failed to bring the fourth charge re pyrotechnics in good time so it was thrown out. Those Blades playing head tennis with smoke bombs after the final whistle will be delighted to hear that this was not pursued due to FA incompetence.

Florists due diligence argument that there were sufficient stewarding on the first two points was proven mainly due to the evidence of their experts and the lack of any counter argument from the FA. Always good to get a dig in at the opposition manager to deflect blame and make no reference whatsoever to the attacks on other Blades players and staff by saying the Sharp incident was isolated.

Florist were found to be in breach of not policing the tunnel area as a consequence of the assault on Billy. A charge they eventually grudgingly admitted. Yet despite acknowledging the seriousness of the assault the commission then dilute their ruling by stating that although it was unprovoked and serious Florist fans have raised £25,000 for one of Billys charitys. How is that relevant to the charge admitted by NFFC? In fact if the assault hadn't occurred they state the fine would be lower!!

A complete whitewash. You have to say Florist have played a blinder. Delayed the matter brought in expert evidence and relied on the FA's indifference to the process. What is concerning are the commissions statements that dilute the assault on Billy Sharp. To refer to it as a minor breach calls into question the competence of those sitting on the panel and the effectiveness of FA sanctions.

The PFA must have concerns following this ruling. The report is oblivious to player safety yet a criminal act occurred against one of their representatives on a football pitch in full view of inadequate stewarding and policing. There were immediate promises made by the FA that this would not be tolerated after the assault. This was an opportunity to set an example and implement sanctions beyond a fine such as ground closure. The very fact they have not even bothered to provide adequate expert evidence and meet timescales to submit charges confirms that the FA are just hot air and not interested in player safety. A robust FA would challenge this ruling through the appeal process. Then again to do so the would have had to have employed competent legal advisors in the first place. Its only SUFC and Billy Sharp. One wonders how much more time they would have devoted to this if it was Englands captain Harry Kane on the receiving end.

Based on the content of the written reasons there would seem to be grounds for BS pursuing a civil action against NFFC imo for failing to protect him after the final whistle.

A good case study for any other club that gets charged in future with a breach of FA rule E20. Follow the Baldrick rule

I think your point about the PFA is very well made and I would hope they would rally around there members and threaten to withdraw there members from working if the place of work is deemed unsafe.

 

[djbaldken]

Yet further evidence that the FA are a bunch of toothless wankers.

This was part of their statement after several pitch invasions at the end of last season. :anyone who enters the pitch and those identified carrying or using pyrotechnics or smoke bombs will now receive an automatic club ban. These bans could also be extended to accompanying parents or guardians of children who take part in these activities," the statement said.
This was after the Everton pitch invasion where Patrick Viera had to defend himself from an attack by an Everton fan. Everton were subsequently fined £300,000!
Yet Florest get £50,000 after a player was headbutted!! And thousands invade the pitch. Have any of these been given life time bans???? NO

The FA are a joke!

 

[Harry's Game]

£50k fine Is a fucking joke.

We had to have half a stand closed for two seasons for nothing like as serious an incident..

 

[Charlieblade]

The EFL sloped shoulders on this event. By employing another football agency to police the actions, the EFL have managed to dilute the result, without accepting any responsibility for it! Shame on the EFL for abrogating their responsibilities.

 

[Muttley]

A weeks wage for one of their players. Woopee fuckin doo!!!!!

If it was us we would be playing behind closed doors.

 

[Alex Cheeseright]

That is why they are the "sweet" F.A. as that is their worth

 

[borbokis]

I'm currently arguing with a Forest fan on Twitter (I know) who says, it was all hecky's fault for antagonising the fans but then claims they're "not excusing what happened". That is literally the dictionary definition of an excuse. Absolutley thick as mince.

 

[borbokis]

I used the "you couldn't empty a bucket of piss if the instructions were on the bottom" insult. I think courtesy of The Crab ?

 

[Blade56]

Points deduction if that had happened at BDTBL

 

[Ainsley Harriott]

Don’t think Billy would agree….
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Anyone with a pair of working eyes wouldn't agree either. How did they successfully protect the players from harm when a man was jailed for headbutting a player?

Is there where we're at is it? Blatant lies and untruths?

 

[Champagneblade]

Nothing wrong with a 50k fine...for each fan they let invade the pitch...as long as it is accompanied with a one game behind closed doors game.

It is 50k per fan, right?

 

[loyalblade95]

And presumably several more Luton players were attacked and injured by fans than was the case at Forrest - I don't remember reading about that.

The only thing I remember about Huddersfield Luton was James Bree getting attacked by a few supporters but not much else

 

[Rufus Smalls]

Yet further evidence that the FA are a bunch of toothless wankers.

This was part of their statement after several pitch invasions at the end of last season. :anyone who enters the pitch and those identified carrying or using pyrotechnics or smoke bombs will now receive an automatic club ban. These bans could also be extended to accompanying parents or guardians of children who take part in these activities," the statement said.
This was after the Everton pitch invasion where Patrick Viera had to defend himself from an attack by an Everton fan. Everton were subsequently fined £300,000!
Yet Florest get £50,000 after a player was headbutted!! And thousands invade the pitch. Have any of these been given life time bans???? NO

The FA are a joke!

Spot on.

You can also add crowd racism to the list of subjects that the football authorities have no clue how to police and punish (especially on the continent).

 

[BangorBlade]

Fcking spineless bastards !!
Fck the FA & The EFL

 

[SwissBlade]

I think like many others this punishment is not representative of scale of what occurred.

One player was viciously assaulted by a fan and altercations between fans that entered the field of play resulted in unsavoury accusations and a court case. This is not usual.

Whilst the huge majority of those entering the field of play did so with the intention of celebration, some went on with other things in mind. If they had issues with the manager or staff of the opposition then this is a bigger reason to keep them off the field of play. It’s not excuses or justification for their actions.

I’ve never previously had issues with fans going on the pitch but there had been increasing numbers of issues and confrontations as well as history of fan and opposition team interactions which didn’t end well.

The FA / EFL all should’ve taken the strong action they promised and a token fine is not enough when it’s the average weekly wage of one premier league player. It should’ve been linked to the forest share of the matchday revenues or closure of part of the ground

 

[100% part time blade]

I think that's exactly what it'll be, and it would be a reasonable approach. I think our punishment (along with Everton and huddesfield) will be the warning to everyone else too that the end of season pitch invasion is a thing of the past.

It seems this hasn’t happened. No real warning to anyone.
Premier league clubs clearly have a huge amount of power (via their financial clout and the legal services they can buy).
Man City seem to have been using it in various cases for a while. Now we see Forest using it here. The FA and other footballing authorities seem to be particularly weak in comparison.

I think invading the pitch and attacking players is becoming normalised, and is on the rise. This ruling is definitely a step that will make it more (rather than less) likely to occur again. In terms of player safety, and that of officials, the minmal punishment for a club that failed to prevent a criminal assault on a player is clearly not going to give any incentive to others to make sure this doesn’t happen again.

When clubs start using their huge financial resources to brush away real safety concerns, and make future incidents more likely, then I think the direction of travel needs addressing.

 

[originaltrueblade]

Scabs decision shocking this should have been much more severe terrible decision.

Scabs by name scabs by nature