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We've made a late bid to try and scupper a move to Burnley.

(The rumour is from a Derby fan on 365 FWIW)
 

Can't see it happening myself but I'd welcome Hulse back with open arms, he had a great season with us in the premier league but struggled under Robson (as much as I struggled to watch the Blades under Robson..)

Any idea's how much we'd be spending on him?

I am slightly cautious of signing more strikers though (unless Hendo is going, then it all makes sense)


That's a lot of waffle.
 
The rumour is that they Derby are trying to raise the funds to buy Gary Hooper who is available for around 2.5 million. Other than that, I don't have a scooby.
 
Getting rid of Henderson and signing Hulse would be the best bit of business since getting rid of Andy Gray (bring in £1.2m) for Danny Webber (500k spent).
 
Not the sort of player we need at all and he's not as good as Henderson.

Like someone else kindly pointed out before (and which I suspected), Henderson has a better goalscoring record in this league than Hulse and a far better record for us. yet one is slated and one is revered? Madness.
 
bladesman1889 said:
Not the sort of player we need at all and he's not as good as Henderson.

Like someone else kindly pointed out before (and which I suspected), Henderson has a better goalscoring record in this league than Hulse and a far better record for us. yet one is slated and one is revered? Madness.
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I'm sorry bladesman but I strongly disagree with that argument. Henderson may have a better goalscoring record in the Championship but I would guess he has played a lot more games than Hulse. Hulse played a season in the Premier League for us and was injured for most of the Championship campaign.

Hulse also spent the latter part of his West Brom career warming the bench and played for Crewe (a struggling side). Its not comparable in any way. You also have to remember how many games Hulse played as a lone striker for us.

I like both players but after seeing them both play many games for the Blades I can confidently say Hulse is a better player. I think most would agree with that. The only difference with me is that I dont think the difference is massive. Hulse's mobility and range of shooting makes him a bit better IMO.
 
There would be little point signing him when he's a similar type of player to Henderson though! Slightly better or slightly worse, either way there's no point.

His better goalscoring record means goals to games ratio (only just though) so you can't get much a more accurate measure than that.

I think Henderson is better in the air and scores more, Hulse is better with the ball at his feet.
 
bladesman1889 said:
Not the sort of player we need at all and he's not as good as Henderson.

Like someone else kindly pointed out before (and which I suspected), Henderson has a better goalscoring record in this league than Hulse and a far better record for us. yet one is slated and one is revered? Madness.
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That isn't true though is it?

Plus the majority of Hulses appearances for us were in the Premiership not Championship can you break it down? For me Hulse is by far the superior player.
 
bladesman1889 said:
There would be little point signing him when he's a similar type of player to Henderson though! Slightly better or slightly worse, either way there's no point.

His better goalscoring record means goals to games ratio (only just though) so you can't get much a more accurate measure than that.

I think Henderson is better in the air and scores more, Hulse is better with the ball at his feet.
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I agree with the first part. There is no point carrying both.

If its goals to games ratio then fair play I wont argue with that, even though it does surprise me a little.

I think its debatable as to which player is better in the air. I think they're both very strong in that department. Hulse is definately better on the deck there's no doubt about that. I suppose it then comes down to style of play and who suits a system. At the moment we play to Hendo's strengths and not Hulse's. But I very much doubt Henderson could produce a better level of performance in the Premier League than Hulse did. That's what makes Hulse better for me - having said that, we're not in that league so thats an irrelevant point as far as United are concerned.
 
Flatulent_Bob said:
That isn't true though is it?

Plus the majority of Hulses appearances for us were in the Premiership not Championship can you break it down? For me Hulse is by far the superior player.
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I'll try and find the post for you, somebody worked out their respective goalscoring records in the championship.

Here we go: http://www.s24su.com/showthread.php?18790-Sharp-to-Derby&p=249600&viewfull=1#post249600

Very close but some people seem to think the two are miles apart.
 
LouTheBlade said:
I agree with the first part. There is no point carrying both.

If its goals to games ratio then fair play I wont argue with that, even though it does surprise me a little.

I think its debatable as to which player is better in the air. I think they're both very strong in that department. Hulse is definately better on the deck there's no doubt about that. I suppose it then comes down to style of play and who suits a system. At the moment we play to Hendo's strengths and not Hulse's. But I very much doubt Henderson could produce a better level of performance in the Premier League than Hulse did. That's what makes Hulse better for me - having said that, we're not in that league so thats an irrelevant point as far as United are concerned.
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I don't think we play to Henderson's strengths to be honest- he's done well to score as many as he has done when most of the time the ball gets booted up to him at head height.
 
Houso said:
We've made a late bid to try and scupper a move to Burnley.

(The rumour is from a Derby fan on 365 FWIW)
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bladesman1889 said:
Not the sort of player we need at all and he's not as good as Henderson.
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Oh dear, oh dear. I think you are probably the only United fan in the world who thinks Henderson is better than Hulse.

I seem to remember us debating this before. I put on a link to a poll where about 20% of United fabs said they though Hulse was the best striker at the Lane since deane left in 93. Hendo wasn't on the list (and one person complained).

bladesman1889 said:
There would be little point signing him when he's a similar type of player to Henderson though! Slightly better or slightly worse, either way there's no point.
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Hulse is better by a country mile.

Flatulent_Bob said:
For me Hulse is by far the superior player.
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At last, someone is talking sense!

Hulse is as good in the air and as strong as Henderson. He can play on the deck and is very dangerous. I think he is an all round better player than Hendo and every aspect of his game is better.

I don't hate Hendo and I think he could be an asset. Sadly KB has a knack of getting the worst out of players and Hendo has suffered. Plus our not very talented try hard players are always tempted to lumpo it to him and hence our style of play worsens with him in the team.

Back to the point, I would be over the moon if we re-singed Hulse (although I can't see it happening).
 
bladesman1889 said:
I'll try and find the post for you, somebody worked out their respective goalscoring records in the championship.

Here we go: http://www.s24su.com/showthread.php?18790-Sharp-to-Derby&p=249600&viewfull=1#post249600

Very close but some people seem to think the two are miles apart.
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Cheers BM but I think some of those stats are wrong as I think they might include stats not when they were in this division.

Even if they are close in terms of goals, they are far apart in terms of ability in my mind.
 
Ollessendro said:
Oh dear, oh dear. I think you are probably the only United fan in the world who thinks Henderson is better than Hulse.

I seem to remember us debating this before. I put on a link to a poll where about 20% of United fabs said they though Hulse was the best striker at the Lane since deane left in 93. Hendo wasn't on the list (and one person complained).



Hulse is better by a country mile.



At last, someone is talking sense!

Hulse is as good in the air and as strong as Henderson. He can play on the deck and is very dangerous. I think he is an all round better player than Hendo and every aspect of his game is better.

I don't hate Hendo and I think he could be an asset. Sadly KB has a knack of getting the worst out of players and Hendo has suffered. Plus our not very talented try hard players are always tempted to lumpo it to him and hence our style of play worsens with him in the team.

Back to the point, I would be over the moon if we re-singed Hulse (although I can't see it happening).
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I direct you to those stats previously posted showing Henderson to have a better goals to games ratio in this league. I'm sure others will think Henderson's better as well.

Hulse is massively overrated, to suggets he's been our best striker since Deane is ridiculous IMO. Not that I think Henderson is before you invent that I've said that.

Hulse got something like 8 in 50 matches for us and when he played about 20 matches in the CCC (without scoring may I add), I remember his all-round play being generally rubbish. You're remembering him from his good season in the premiership and forgetting his other season.
 
you mean the season where he'd just come back from (rushed back from) a career threatening injury? And scoring 8 goals for us in the prem was no mean feat considering he had bugger all else up there with him and we weren't exactly a free scoring team.

For me there's no comparison, Hulse was streets ahead.
 
I don't think that our 'direct' style of play brings the best out in Henderson, we can hardly expect the guy to create much or score many when the ball is often two foot above his head.

However, Hulse IMO is a better all-round player and the key for me is his reading of the game. He's more of an intelligent player than Henderson and would probably be useful with an in-and-around the box strike partner... but we'll probably sell Billy (or Wardy) to the unclean.
 
Maybe, but it would mean we get rid of Henderson and probably offer Sharp to sweeten the deal and to perhaps trump Burnley's bid.

Hulse, Bogdanovic, Evans, Cresswell - To be honest i don't think that sounds much better than Henderson, Sharp, Evans, Cresswell.
 
Cheers BM but I think some of those stats are wrong as I think they might include stats not when they were in this division.

You think wrong. I did that comparison and it only includes matches in the 2nd tier. If you doubt that, check it yourself.

I must admit I was surprised that Hendo did so well, but as I said it's Hulse's dreadful 2007-8 season that pulls him down.

In my mind, Hulse pre-injury was the better player - now I'm not so sure. It would be interesting to see how Henderson got on in a side that didn't use him as a battering ram/target man, which is not his best use IMHO.

Incidentally, I see Hendo is on another of his non scoring runs - 8 games without a goal to finish the season. He had started out by not scoring in the first 7 league games. All his 12 goals were scored in a 17 match spell in the middle of the season. It really is feast or famine with him...
 
say what yer want about Hulse ..............BUT the day he got his leg broke we were doomed.
 
Up to the leg break, Hulse was playing very well and looked like becoming a very accomplished PL striker. Prior to that Chelsea game there was talk of being on stand-by for England etc.

Since the break he's never really got close to being the player he was in that season.

pre-leg break...Hulse by some distance

post-leg break...Hendo as the more effective CCC player
 
bladesman1889 said:
Not the sort of player we need at all and he's not as good as Henderson.

Like someone else kindly pointed out before (and which I suspected), Henderson has a better goalscoring record in this league than Hulse and a far better record for us. yet one is slated and one is revered? Madness.
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henderson better than hulse!have a lie down pal and read war and peace this summer.christ
 

SouthEssexBlade said:
Up to the leg break, Hulse was playing very well and looked like becoming a very accomplished PL striker. Prior to that Chelsea game there was talk of being on stand-by for England etc.

Since the break he's never really got close to being the player he was in that season.

pre-leg break...Hulse by some distance

post-leg break...Hendo as the more effective CCC player
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Talk by whom? His Mother?

I agree with the rest of it though :D.
 
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