Harry Soutar

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SwissBlade said:
Prices always higher in jan and we’ve got him on a season loan…
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Unless Leicester (and/or Southampton) need into free up some money to support their new manager and ease those FFP cuffs. If that’s the case a mutually beneficial deal could surely be struck.
 

Flatulent_Bob said:
Unless Leicester (and/or Southampton) need into free up some money to support their new manager and ease those FFP cuffs. If that’s the case a mutually beneficial deal could surely be struck.
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It’s not a priority for Jan to negotiate a purchase or Souttar. We need other bodies in to provide competition for first team places so id hope we’d be looking to bring in an additional centre half as well. Souttar permanent can be negotiated between Feb and end of season… depending on which div we’ll be in.

Not sure of the brackets related to Southampton for Souttar
 
SwissBlade said:
It’s not a priority for Jan to negotiate a purchase or Souttar. We need other bodies in to provide competition for first team places so id hope we’d be looking to bring in an additional centre half as well. Souttar permanent can be negotiated between Feb and end of season… depending on which div we’ll be in.

Not sure of the brackets related to Southampton for Souttar
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The brackets were in reference to a similar position for BBD. Securing either as a perm without paying the January tax means one of our available loan spots is freed up.
 
Flatulent_Bob said:
The brackets were in reference to a similar position for BBD.
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Entirely different situation.

Souttar already in the building until the end of the season.
Brereton is not currently our player in any capacity. But I’d get him on a loan if we can
 
A lack of strength and other things cost us last season more than pace did. Take Anel for example

Souttar would be fine if he had pace around him

It should also be considered how important he'd be for us back at championship level in the likely event that we're relegated again. A player like him is a perfect building block to ensure we'd always be in a position to come back up. Could be a good player for us for 5+ years. A good investment at the right price
 
As much as I think he’s Ben great, I’m not sure he’s mobile enough for the prem.
 
Barring a collapse in his form, we should absolutely be all over trying to bring in Soutts on a permanent basis in tbe summer. Irrespective of what division we are in. All decent teams have a 'stopper' at the back and we have been crying out for his like for years. We finally get a big lad at the back (sorry those of you who detest the idea of United having this type of player and not a 'cultured' centre half), and a decent keeper, and hey presto, we've stopped conceding goals like confetti. Football really isn't rocket science.
 
I get the mobility argument. I just don't think we can get anywhere near a centre half who is powerful, good in the air and rapid. Not because we're little old Sheffield United but because every bugger in the world is looking for them. Every player apart from a handful of top prem players will be a compromise. Last season showed clearly how much size and strength has become huge in the premier league. Every team seemed to have players who physically dominated us in midfield and attack. Anel was bullied last season, Souza frequently ineffective. If we go up Souter is certainly worth a go, if we don't he's a top championship centre half. Don't write him off but also don't buy him on January if we don't need to. He may not necessarily be cheaper in the summer however if his parent club go down they might actually want to keep him.
 
First time we have had a dominant centre half in years and subsequently we look to be a much more robust and capable defensive unit.
Very rarely that you manage to find a tall dominant guy with pace, clubs usually rely on their positional ability and assistance from team mates to support and sweep up around the back. Yes he did have two bad matches but think I am right in saying that he had just flown half way round the world and would no doubt have been feeling the effects.
He gets it here, he likes it here, he is valued here, it would be remiss not to sign him


Seems Wilder at heart has similar ideas, in a post which was made as I was writing.

Great minds:—— merry Christmas
 
Weasel said:
Barring a collapse in his form, we should absolutely be all over trying to bring in Soutts on a permanent basis in tbe summer. Irrespective of what division we are in. All decent teams have a 'stopper' at the back and we have been crying out for his like for years. We finally get a big lad at the back (sorry those of you who detest the idea of United having this type of player and not a 'cultured' centre half), and a decent keeper, and hey presto, we've stopped conceding goals like confetti. Football really isn't rocket science.
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Agree just look at our goals conceded total and it says what we want to know . Soutts along with the other defenders are doing a sterling job . Our defence is our strength just like it was when Wilder first got us promoted . We rave about Cooper but he has had little to do thanks to those who are in front of him . I am not trying to call Cooper ,i think he is a really good keeper just pointing out what quality he has in the defence .
 
HarryHaslam said:
If we go up he’s not the answer.
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I know where you’re coming from with this but I think he could be very useful to us in the prem alongside the right players. A dominating aerial presence is useful at every level of the game and players like Dan Burn are thriving currently.
 
He may lack pace but Souttar reads the game very well, he is very good at tackling and timing his run/tackle to do so and he's also good at passing a through ball. Hes also a leader. I reckon we can get him for less than Leicester paid for him too at the end of season.
 
If he had played for us last season we certainly wouldn't have conceded 106 goals
One of our biggest issues was conceeding goals from free headers
So while he might have his weaknesses I still think he would be a competent defender at prem level, I've not seen him let himself get isolated against a pacy player yet for us and when he has been up against much quicker players his positioning is sound
 
alcoblade said:
We were constantly beaten in the air last season.
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It felt like every cross in to the box would end up being a goal. We were awful in many areas but that stood out the entire season.

Souttar isn't actually slow, but his acceleration isn't great due to his size. Unfortunately the premier league is full of extremely quick athletes that might expose him but I'd still have Souttar in a heartbeat.
 

Moan? Nope-I saw Longhorn said:
If (when ?) Leicester come back down would they want to keep him given he’s proving / proved himself at this level with us (& indeed Stoke afore that) ?
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Can't see him being particularly enamoured to stay with them given they bombed him out for the two seasons. One where they were in theChampionship.
He's played more games for us in 4 months than he did for them in 18. If there is a move for him to move option open to him, probably to a relegated side, or maybe a promoted one, I think he'd jump at it.
 
We can't replace the entire squad - if we go up, we will need to start the Prem with some players who aren't quite good enough. Even if Souttar isn't going to be Prem quality - there are other players in the squad that also aren't. We only need to finish above the relegation zone if we go up. And our budget will be limited.

Wilder will have to think:
1) Souttar - replace him and only have the money for 3 other players.
2) Souttar - keep him because he's not that bad, and buy 4 other players that will vastly improve our chances.

So it's a case of looking at the squad and seeing who we can afford to replace - who's Prem quality, who's not but will be OK and who definitely needs to be upgraded as they are simply not good enough. And Souttar might be in the OK group.
 
He’ll get done for pace and skill several times over a Prem season but he’ll be a massive help in stopping us concede soft set piece goals and free headers. He’s also a top Champ defender (albeit one that has recently proved not to be immune to some shit games). If we can get him at the end of the season for a reasonable sum on a long contract it’s a no-brainer, whether we go up or not. He ticks all the intangible boxes around fitting well into the team and being a warrior.

Ideally we also sign someone else as well with a higher ceiling (insert Harry souttar height puns here) - perhaps Tanganga fits the bill. We’ll need 4 good Center halves anyway.
 
Everyone saying they would not want him in the prem, do you think we would have conceded 100+ last season if Souttar was in the team?
 
Last season we were punished many times by not having strength to deal with high balls into the box. Forest away their winner late on headed goal, Spurs away they scored 2 headed goals in added time to win 2-1, Villa away added time equaliser. Those games cost us 7 points for a starter and I’m sure there are plenty more examples I cannot remember. Good chance with Souttar we could have defended those.
Harry Maguire not the quickest but he reads the game and has made a good career in EPL and for England.
 
I’m not quite so sure Souttar is the busted flush so many think he is a PL level. He’s hardly had chance to play there and some of his attributes may make him unlikely to play at the very top but for a club such as ours I think we’re being too dismissive. If he ticked all the boxes he wouldn’t be here and certainly wouldn’t stay. The skill for our likely level is to find some players in that mould and build the side and style of play that mask those weaknesses so we’re greater than the sum of our parts, because we can’t afford the superior parts most of the league can.
 
Have we got him on a season loan or can he be called back in January?, Leicester defence is farcical at times with Faes & Westergaard so they may try him back . Would sign him if we could, but wouldn't want to pay more than £10-12m at the most imo
 
Pintor75 said:
Have we got him on a season loan or can he be called back in January?, Leicester defence is farcical at times with Faes & Westergaard so they may try him back . Would sign him if we could, but wouldn't want to pay more than £10-12m at the most imo
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Season long. No recall option.
 
If we go up , our bigger problem than HS will be finding a Lfooted CB to partner him because I doubt that either Robbo or RND will cope in PL.
I hope we are still in for Terry Yegbe.
In the PL it seems that CBs need to be a minimum of 6'3" , strong & athletic.
 
Think he'd cope in the PL in the middle of a 3. I'd feel more comfortable with two CBs with pace if we're sticking to the back 4
 
Irv said:
I think they could only recall if he wasn’t playing, hence he’ll be staying
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How would we possibly know that??
Yes, there was a recall if he didn't play a certain number of games but how does that tie in with injuries? And sending him back?
 

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