happy clapping

[Revolution]

It is a more neutral and balanced view

As you see it. I don't agree. I do think, however, that you put across your views more eloquently than some of the naysayers. And I see where you're coming from at least, so thanks for taking the time to respond.

can't you see that most of the postings around 'Blackwell out' just refuse to acknowledge any other possible position.

Some, not most, is more accurate I think.

As for criticism, here you go then. Cut and paste this somewhere.

I knew you had it in you!

The Morgan issue you raise is an interesting point. It's something that I must confessed has passed me by, on the basis that I had assumed that our defensive travails were down to lesser men replacing Naughton, Kenny and Naysmith and Kilgallon being out of sorts. There may be something in what you say. I'll have to watch Morgs more closely.

I think what you say about our style of play is the majority view on this board. It's certainly my view.

 

[beightonblade]

Happy clappers !
Wrist slashes !

No marra were all Blades and the way to solidarity is to boot cheap as chips owt of BDTBL fast.

 

[lenners]

http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=Clappers&word2=Knockers

Gulp...

Actually, this whole thing is too polarised, and as already stated by Foxy and others, there is no such thing as a 'clapper' in the way that it is being presented, that we are like seals happy to be chucked a mouldy kipper now and again.

I have been portrayed as a 'clapper' but actually I'm not much of a clapper at all. I am a positive person and that positivity goes through everything I do. I am an optimist because life is too short to be constantly thinking about and predicting of all the ways that everything could go wrong. I am not pleased by the present situation of the club, but I'm not going to let it spoil my days either. I am certainly not going to trouble myself with the manager question, because that is KMcCabes to deal with. Endlessly shouting for Blackwells head is assuming an importance for your opinions well beyond reality. When it comes down to it, we are all know-nowts about the back room workings of the club, and for many of us, of professional football itself. We see the end product, but have no idea about it really, other than we could 'do it better' than those with the experience and training who are doing it today. Its a debating position borne out of naivety, and is silly.

Anyway, when all is said and done, I was supporting the Blades before the current management and players were here (before the players were born, actually), and I will still be here long after they are gone. The badge on the front of the shirt is what matters, not the name on the back or on the managers door. I will turn up on Saturday with two or maybe all three of the little Disorderly's. I might even have a moan and a grumble about a miplaced pass or a missed opportunity, but I won't stop supporting the team and singing them on for all I'm worth. Neither will I disappear up my own arse with rage if it doesn't go to plan. The shoes will be staying on,

Keep the faith, UTB...

Bobbins.
The reality is that when it comes down to it, fans are better informed about the workings of football clubs than they ever were in years gone by.
In some cases they've gone on to actually run the clubs themselves.
In our case, we also got a harsh lesson about the workings of football administration and got to learn a heck of a lot about the workings of football's hierarchy.
You may have failed to learn much about the workings of football and football clubs but plenty of other fans haven't.

 

[Bramley]

http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=Clappers&word2=Knockers

Gulp...

Actually, this whole thing is too polarised, and as already stated by Foxy and others, there is no such thing as a 'clapper' in the way that it is being presented, that we are like seals happy to be chucked a mouldy kipper now and again.

I have been portrayed as a 'clapper' but actually I'm not much of a clapper at all. I am a positive person and that positivity goes through everything I do. I am an optimist because life is too short to be constantly thinking about and predicting of all the ways that everything could go wrong. I am not pleased by the present situation of the club, but I'm not going to let it spoil my days either. I am certainly not going to trouble myself with the manager question, because that is KMcCabes to deal with. Endlessly shouting for Blackwells head is assuming an importance for your opinions well beyond reality. When it comes down to it, we are all know-nowts about the back room workings of the club, and for many of us, of professional football itself. We see the end product, but have no idea about it really, other than we could 'do it better' than those with the experience and training who are doing it today. Its a debating position borne out of naivety, and is silly.

Anyway, when all is said and done, I was supporting the Blades before the current management and players were here (before the players were born, actually), and I will still be here long after they are gone. The badge on the front of the shirt is what matters, not the name on the back or on the managers door. I will turn up on Saturday with two or maybe all three of the little Disorderly's. I might even have a moan and a grumble about a miplaced pass or a missed opportunity, but I won't stop supporting the team and singing them on for all I'm worth. Neither will I disappear up my own arse with rage if it doesn't go to plan. The shoes will be staying on,

Keep the faith, UTB...

Good post. Generally I can't be arsed complaining about stuff, lifes too short so I try to be pragmatic. I also can't be arsed with all the supposition, rumour and conjecture. Suppose that makes me a "clapper" then, even though I'm not a particular fan of Blackwell.

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

Bobbins.
The reality is that when it comes down to it, fans are better informed about the workings of football clubs than they ever were in years gone by.
In some cases they've gone on to actually run the clubs themselves.
In our case, we also got a harsh lesson about the workings of football administration and got to learn a heck of a lot about the workings of football's hierarchy.
You may have failed to learn much about the workings of football and football clubs but plenty of other fans haven't.

You are right that fans know much more than they ever have done about every aspect of a football club these days but is the rest of what he wrote really Bobbins ?

 

[Bramley]

You are right that fans know much more than they ever have done about every aspect of a football club these days but is the rest of what he wrote really Bobbins ?

"Disappearing up my own arse with rage" has to be the number one quote ever on here.

 

[lenners]

You are right that fans know much more than they ever have done about every aspect of a football club these days but is the rest of what he wrote really Bobbins ?

Had a quick scan through it and pretty much.
If he's taking the Manuel approach, he doesn't have to bother posting about anything.
Football forums are all about opinions on the manager, players, the chairman, the fans, price of tickets, the colour of the grass, anything you like.
If you just turn up to watch and aren't interested in anything else much - or get annoyed about other people's opinions - just don't bother posting.
Or make posts about something else that people might be interested in.

 

[shorehamview]

I'm not a miserable bugger, always seeing the bad side. Does that mean I can't post either?

 

[lenners]

I'm not a miserable bugger, always seeing the bad side. Does that mean I can't post either?

You can post whatever you like - it's a free country.
I just object to the notion that fans don't know anything and once you've identified yourself as having that belief you haven't really got much more to say.

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

You can post whatever you like - it's a free country.
I just object to the notion that fans don't know anything and once you've identified yourself as having that belief you haven't really got much more to say.

I don't think he's saying fans don't know anything but plenty base their opinions on hearsay and supposition. Blackwell is a crap man-manager, he's lost the dressing room etc etc. In terms of what ACTUALLY happens behind the scenes, we are know-nowts.

 

[super_pig]

>I am a positive person and that positivity goes through everything I do
yeah me too.. but results are results mate.. you don't need to insidiously question people's mental state if they don't happen to agree with you:thumbdown:

 

[Micalijo]

Good post. Generally I can't be arsed complaining about stuff, lifes too short so I try to be pragmatic. I also can't be arsed with all the supposition, rumour and conjecture. Suppose that makes me a "clapper" then, even though I'm not a particular fan of Blackwell.

For me football is all about conjecture.

I'm taking a big leap but I would imagine all your posts should be along the lines of 'SUFC drew 2-2 today. Our next game is against Peterborough.' As soon as we start talking about who played well and who didn't that's its for you isn't it?

I do understand what you are saying but you have to accept that there are plenty of people who do want to base opinions on heresay and conjecture.

 

[Micalijo]

>I am a positive person and that positivity goes through everything I do
yeah me too.. but results are results mate.. you don't need to insidiously question people's mental state if they don't happen to agree with you:thumbdown:

I agree SP. Anyone would think we'd won 7 out of 8 and there were a few lunatics calling for the managers head.

What does insidioulsy mean? Does it mean desperately wanting to slag Blackwell off but can't because I'm a positive person?

 

[Ollessendro]

It isn't the mirror image at all. It is a more neutral and balanced view.Life is seldom so black and white. I dont 'bend over backwards'. I have my views about things but as for being 'dismissive of anyone critical', can't you see that most of the postings around 'Blackwell out' just refuse to acknowledge any other possible position. It has stopped being a discussion about the club, and descended to the level of a four year old stamping their feet becasue they can't get an ice cream.

As for criticism, here you go then. Cut and paste this somewhere.

I think the style of channel based territorial football that we play has had its day. It was fine when everyone played it. Then we could overwhelm them by doing it better. Now there are too many teams who play a passing game and we should stop being the 'mix it up team' and start playing people off the park with possession football. We have the players to do it, and they have shown themselves capable of doing it.

Blackie has had a good deal of success in getting results using this style, and it can be hard to give up a winning formula. The key is to know what to change and when, and that is more down to luck than judgement. However, he is the current manager and if he can revive our fortunes once we have our best players in the team, then I will support him no matter what style of football we play.

I think it is time to think the unthinkable and get a complete new pairing at centre half. Killas brain is miles away but the one that might surprise you is that I am concerned that Morgs has begun to fade. He hasn't been close to his performances of recent seasons, and as much as I love him, a move down the divisions is beckoning for him. Wenger doesn't have 30 somethings in his team, and he isn't daft. (Although, as arguably the best 'football' manager anywhere, you could ask what he's achieved in recent seasons?) I was disappointed that we didn't buy Sean St Ledger over the summer as the base for this.

Having said that, my optimistic side kicks in again. We have a run of games up to and beyond Christmas that are all winnable (only WBA away where a point would do) with our best players on the pitch. 20 points from the next 10 games would see us back up in the playoff spots, and then its 'game on' again.

Keep the faith and UTB...

I agreed with your sentiments in the first post Duncan. However, I have to agree with Lenners in saying, that (what you wrote in Italics) is bobbins!

Being positive is a more balanced view. What cobblers. Some Blackwell out posters don't take into account 'the other side of the story'. As is the case with 'the clappers'!? However many fans appreciate what Blackwell did but think he should have left after the play off final. They are sick of his crap tactics, boring football and now (more importantly) poor results. Hence, calling for him out is not less balanced than getting behind him. Then it becomes laughable. You group most of the postings of Blackwell out under one banner (presumambly the knocker one) and then you make reference to the 'knockers' being like 4 year old children.

As for the rest. I only have one thing to say ...... 'come with me to the dark side! Luke, join me, Micaljo, Fiery and Revolution .... together we can rule the galaxy. I have felt the knocker in you. Let go of the happiness and positivity and get to grips with rage and pessimism!? Come with me

Oh there is something else thast bugs me (and it's not just Dunc who brings this up). People are very quick to link Blackwell out comments (whether constructive or not) with negativity about life. It is absolute bollocks! People might catagorise me as a Blackwell knocker and a pessimist because I have made my mind up that I don't want him at the club. Then all this bollocks about negativity and anger etc comes out. I personally am an optimistic person. I'm very happy with my life. I have a great job, nice bird, like where I live and la de fucking da. However, I do get angry when Sheffiled United lose. It does ruin my Saturday when we get stuffed. There is more to life than Sheffield United, but it plays a big part in my life. Why are we pessimistists with a negative look on life just because we don't want a clown managing our team?

 

[Micalijo]

About time someone brought this up with Duncs et al. I really dislike Blackwell, but that doesn't mean I am a baby and doesn't mean I stand in the car park with my shoes off. I can mount very sensible arguments as to why he is so bad, same as others can stand up for him in a sensible way. They've been done to death and that is probably why things have degenerated a bit. Basically we are waiting for the axe to fall now - that's where I think we are. Hopeless manager with no way of turning this mess he has created around.

The number of replies that now include references to the ages and general characteristics of the poster is ridiculous and they all to my knowledge come from people who think attacking Blackwell on a football fans forum is some kind of major shock and a crime against humanity.

 

[Cheshire Cat]

I really don't see why we have to plunge into the old "clappers" v. "knockers" bullshit that has been a long term fixture elsewhere... It quite frankly is a load of crap and serves nothing other than to group up and "fight out" the discussions to points score and be proven right. The vast majority of blades I know (and I'm not talking about our fan base or any group as a whole, as I hate the notion of talking for other people) fit somewhere in the mythical "middle ground" and don't fit into the common definitions for either group.

It mainly gets tiresome and actually discourages dialog and even the reading of such posts by anyone but the people electing themselves as a spokesperson for either "side".

As annoyed as I am about the performances and form at the moment, I'm becoming more frustrated with the constant points scoring, shouting and mudslinging from the apparent "knockers" v. "clappers" situation.

Agree wholeheartedly - West of the Pennine industry has taken a boost in productivity over the last few weeks as I haven't been arsed to spend the time on here looking at what people are saying. A quick look at 'New Posts' shows its the same old threads over and over again saying exactly the same stuff - its bollocks.

For the record - I strongly believe that Blackwell has shot his bolt and is no longer the man for the job. Rumours I've heard from friends of players reinforce this. However, I'm quite prepared for McCabe, the board, the players and other fans to believe that he is still the man for the job without resorting to calling their judgement, honesty and parentage into question.

We're playing crap, we're not able to put the same side out 2 weeks running, we're not top of the league - 3 consistent issues I've put up with in 30 years of supporting United. This isn't going to tip me over the edge any time soon - and I may even put in a rare appearance at the Lane on Saturday to cheer them on.

Can we get back to taking the piss out of each other, reminiscing and covering rumours of new players and managers rather than just repeating the same shit every day?

 

[torridon]

:easy::easy::easy::easy::easy::easy::easy::easy::easy::easy:

 

[Bramley]

Agree wholeheartedly - West of the Pennine industry has taken a boost in productivity over the last few weeks as I haven't been arsed to spend the time on here looking at what people are saying. A quick look at 'New Posts' shows its the same old threads over and over again saying exactly the same stuff - its bollocks.

For the record - I strongly believe that Blackwell has shot his bolt and is no longer the man for the job. Rumours I've heard from friends of players reinforce this. However, I'm quite prepared for McCabe, the board, the players and other fans to believe that he is still the man for the job without resorting to calling their judgement, honesty and parentage into question.

We're playing crap, we're not able to put the same side out 2 weeks running, we're not top of the league - 3 consistent issues I've put up with in 30 years of supporting United. This isn't going to tip me over the edge any time soon - and I may even put in a rare appearance at the Lane on Saturday to cheer them on.

Can we get back to taking the piss out of each other, reminiscing and covering rumours of new players and managers rather than just repeating the same shit every day?

But surely you like to trawl through the same vote for who will be the next SUFC manager/Blackwell is a ****/I've heard he's lost the dressing room thread?

I like to think you sum up most of the Blades opinion I know, it's always surprising reading on here and listening to Praise or Grumble from afar. When you actually get in the ground or speak to other supporters, it's nowhere near as negative.

 

[Ollessendro]

Can we get back to taking the piss out of each other, reminiscing and covering rumours of new players and managers rather than just repeating the same shit every day?

Cheshire Cat. That is exactly what this thread is about!? A tongue in cheek piss take of our current situation. At no point in my initial 'new post' did I call for Blackwells head, or raise any of the issues that have already been covered. I think you'll find that the thread (or at least initial posts) is(are) quite original. You can complain about me (and others) being a patronising wanker and belittling other people (that's fair enough) but complaining about this not being a new post, covering the same old shit is simply wrong.

 

[Cheshire Cat]

Cheshire Cat. That is exactly what this thread is about!? A tongue in cheek piss take of our current situation. At no point in my initial 'new post' did I call for Blackwells head, or raise any of the issues that have already been covered. I think you'll find that the thread (or at least initial posts) is(are) quite original. You can complain about me (and others) being a patronising wanker and belittling other people (that's fair enough) but complaining about this not being a new post, covering the same old shit is simply wrong.

Calm down dear - was not a put-down meant for you or the thread. I even cracked a smile when I read it.

I posted more in frustration about the general tone of this forum (and others United based) - and in support of Foxy's comments.

I don't think I've said that anyone's being patronising - I have definitely said that there is a repetitive tone. I am definitely finding the content of the boards less entertaining over the last couple of weeks.

Apologies if you think I'm having a go at you - it'd be a shame if I'd pissed all over what I think is a good thread.

Let's both have a fish.:fishbowl:

 

[Ollessendro]

Calm down dear - was not a put-down meant for you or the thread. I even cracked a smile when I read it.

I posted more in frustration about the general tone of this forum (and others United based) - and in support of Foxy's comments.

I don't think I've said that anyone's being patronising - I have definitely said that there is a repetitive tone. I am definitely finding the content of the boards less entertaining over the last couple of weeks.

Apologies if you think I'm having a go at you - it'd be a shame if I'd pissed all over what I think is a good thread.

Let's both have a fish.:fishbowl:

Ha ha, no offence taken CC. E-mails/posts can be easily misinterpreted, but I wasn't upset/pissed off. Glad you like the thread.

 

[raul]

What happens if you clap but then a little bit of boo slips out?

 

[Rustyblade]

What happens if you clap but then a little bit of boo slips out?

Happy crapper?

 

[DuncDisorderly]

Bobbins.
The reality is that when it comes down to it, fans are better informed about the workings of football clubs than they ever were in years gone by.
In some cases they've gone on to actually run the clubs themselves.
In our case, we also got a harsh lesson about the workings of football administration and got to learn a heck of a lot about the workings of football's hierarchy.
You may have failed to learn much about the workings of football and football clubs but plenty of other fans haven't.

Well when you've got Blackwell fired, I take it that you will be putting your CV in then Len? You seem to have a full grip on what we should do...

 

[DuncDisorderly]

Some, not most, is more accurate I think.

I accept that. I was a little too general...

 

[DuncDisorderly]

People are very quick to link Blackwell out comments (whether constructive or not) with negativity about life. It is absolute bollocks!

I think you are right that one and the other do not necessarily go together. However, it is equally true that people who are unhappy tend to find a focal point for the unhappiness to manifest itself. For some it is politics, for some it is the weather, for some it is football. This is not a comment about any particular poster, or the knockers in general, but it is true.

Sad to say that there is little chance of me turning to the dark side, Olle Wan Kenobi. I may be a six foot fat bloke, but inside I am cooler than Yoda...

Keep the faith...UTB...

 

[lenners]

Well when you've got Blackwell fired, I take it that you will be putting your CV in then Len? You seem to have a full grip on what we should do...

Dunc, you're an intelligent person and you know that argument doesn't stand up.
Anyone could have a strong opinion on whether an MP should be forced out, for example, for fiddling their expenses or adopting a series of ridiculous stances on this, that or the other but it wouldn't follow that said person should be prepared to apply to whichever local party to stand to be MP.
It's entirely feasible to have an opinion based on evidence on anything - it would never follow that the opinion is only valid if you're prepared to put your CV in.
That approach would effectively shut down debate on just about everything.
As it happens regards Blackwell, I don't think he's the only issue at United at the moment - more a symptom of wider problems which I think some of us have reasonably argued over recent time.

 

[Micalijo]

Sorry Len but you can only have an opinion on here if you are talking about facts. That is well known. If not, you are a 4 year old having a hissy fit. Reasonable arguments and questioning the running of the club - don't be daft, there aren't any. Nobody has a clue how to run a football club so shut it!

 

[Ollessendro]

Sorry Len but you can only have an opinion on here if you are talking about facts. That is well known. If not, you are a 4 year old having a hissy fit. Reasonable arguments and questioning the running of the club - don't be daft, there aren't any. Nobody has a clue how to run a football club so shut it!

good work Micalijo. Let's have a little clap together this morning!?

Lenners, let go of your negativity, be free of your pessimism, stop questioning your things, forget about the shite that is going on at your belived club ....... I can feel the force is strong in you ....... come and join us .....

CLAPPRTY, CLAP, CLAP, CLAP :easy:

Olle One Kanobi (I like the name Dunc )

 

[Ollessendro]

Anyone up for clapping the sale of Coterill. Fuck it. Who cares if he is talented, dangerous and a real footballer. The guy was instrumental in our upsurge in form last season, but lets sell hm anyway. Our saquad is small,we have injuries so it makes absolute perfect sense to sell one of our most talented young players. In fact I'd let him go now (on loan) and ask for less than what we payed for him. He's 21, an international and at times looks a cracking player. Get rid. I have absolute confidence that KB will bring in a better player. Forget KB's record at brinign people in. I dismiss the 'knockers' view that Blackwell will bring in a cart horse to hoof it to, or a striker to play on the wing. Oh no no no, sell him and bring in another loan player.

What do you think guys. Lenners, Micalijio, Revolution, TEN, Fiery shall we clap the sale of one our best young players? Swiss and I will be there after we've been stuffed at home by bottom of the league clapping twice as hard because of Kevin Blacwells wizardary!!??