Hamer or Wilder

[Carlton Blade]

I've found it interesting how many people think Hamer is expendable so I wanted to see something

 

[Danetheblade]

I've found it interesting how many people think Hamer is expendable so I wanted to see something

Voted Hamer/Hamer. Though if a good offer comes I’d sell. If we’re sticking with Wilder (not my choice) he’d have to formulate some other plan that’s not “pass to Hamer and hope”

 

[Bladepicker]

Hamer and then none of the above really. Because if Widz goes then Hamer isn't the be all and end all. If Wilder stays we need a match winner or where else is the attacking creativity coming from, so Hamer once again is key.

 

[Sheffsteel]

Voted Hamer/Hamer. Though if a good offer comes I’d sell. If we’re sticking with Wilder (not my choice) he’d have to formulate some other plan that’s not “pass to Hamer and hope”

Hamer was a weird kind of player.

Had plenty of quiet games and in some games when he touched the ball he was quite poor but most games he’d always produce 2 or 3 top class “eye through the needle” passes and occasionally came up with goals out of nothing.

That type of quality is quite rare and what made him the player he was.

I suppose a better question would be comparing Hamer important to N’Diaye.

I’d say Hamer was nearer in importance to end of season form James McAtee, in that he was verging on being a luxury player.

Produced moments of magic but can’t be relied upon. If we get a good price, then not too disappointed, it’s not like when we lost N’Diaye.

Note: Think possibly the reason for some of his quiet/ poor games was because he was out on the left wing. Makes you wonder what he’d have been like playing central.

 

[Carlton Blade]

Hamer was a weird kind of player.

Had plenty of quiet games and in some games when he touched the ball he was quite poor but most games he’d always produce 2 or 3 top class “eye through the needle” passes and occasionally came up with goals out of nothing.

That type of quality is quite rare and what made him the player he was.

I suppose a better question would be comparing Hamer important to N’Diaye.

I’d say Hamer was nearer in importance to end of season form James McAtee, in that he was verging on being a luxury player.

Produced moments of magic but can’t be relied upon. If we get a good price, then not too disappointed, it’s not like when we lost N’Diaye.

Note: Think possibly the reason for some of his quiet/ poor games was because he was out on the left wing. Makes you wonder what he’d have been like playing central.

There's no McAtee in this years team though. Hamer was everything. Next best chance creators were JRS and Burrows

Hamer is a vastly experienced Championship star with the potential for more in the right role. The chances of replacing him like for like or Wilder building a more varied attack that replaces him and how many resources the opposition have to dedicate to him are slim

 

[Danetheblade]

Hamer was a weird kind of player.

Had plenty of quiet games and in some games when he touched the ball he was quite poor but most games he’d always produce 2 or 3 top class “eye through the needle” passes and occasionally came up with goals out of nothing.

That type of quality is quite rare and what made him the player he was.

I suppose a better question would be comparing Hamer important to N’Diaye.

I’d say Hamer was nearer in importance to end of season form James McAtee, in that he was verging on being a luxury player.

Produced moments of magic but can’t be relied upon. If we get a good price, then not too disappointed, it’s not like when we lost N’Diaye.

Note: Think possibly the reason for some of his quiet/ poor games was because he was out on the left wing. Makes you wonder what he’d have been like playing central.

Don’t get me wrong, I think he’s quality, but his fitness is abysmal. His off games are awful, he’s either all in, or nothing at all. Though he produces moments of magic and sheer quality.

I’d be much happier with a consistent kind of player. Someone who gives consistent 6/7 performances for 80/90 minutes rather than 60 minute bursts.

I voted Hamer/Hamer. But in reality I’d like a new manager, with fresh ideas and a new approach. If Wilder is sticking around, then I’d happily sell Hamer for a decent fee. Knowing we won’t be wasting a quality player out wide where his best performances haven’t ever been.

 

[Danetheblade]

There's no McAtee in this years team though. Hamer was everything. Next best chance creators were JRS and Burrows

Hamer is a vastly experienced Championship star with the potential for more in the right role. The chances of replacing him like for like or Wilder building a more varied attack that replaces him and how many resources the opposition have to dedicate to him are slim

Unless he sorts his fitness I think this is his ceiling. He cant expect to make it at the top of English football with such woeful fitness.

 

[Carlton Blade]

Unless he sorts his fitness I think this is his ceiling. He cant expect to make it at the top of English football with such woeful fitness.

I don't think his fitness is woeful, just sub optimal. He averages 83 minutes a start.

 

[BiggerBladeThanThou]

Abit like asking if you were 2 inches in your mum and your dad was 2 inches in you, would you move forwards or backwards

 

[Danetheblade]

I don't think his fitness is woeful, just sub optimal. He averages 83 minutes a start.

But how many of those 83 minutes are productive? He’s blowing out his arse after 50ish.

 

[dc_blade]

Hamer was our only creative spark this season but it doesn't have to be that way. I felt all season that playing him wide left unbalanced the team--although it did seem to bring the best out of him.

We needn't be so reliant on one playmaker in order to be an attacking force. But we do need a different style of play and probably a new manager.

 

[robbiez666]

I don't think he's expendable but our tactics are give it to him and unless he's going to actually become an athlete then it's just not going to work.

 

[thehet]

If we can achieve 92 pts without N’Diaye we can achieve that or more without Hamer.

Just depends on recruitment and performances, but we know that.

 

[Berkshire Blade]

I don't think his fitness is woeful, just sub optimal. He averages 83 minutes a start.

Yes but how many times did he go down with muscle issues and fade in and out of games? When you compare him to MGW and Ndiaye and even a rawer Mcatee his lack of intensity is something we could improve on with a different options without losing too much in skill and creativity!

 

[thehet]

If Hamer goes I will not feel the pain I felt when N’Diaye left.

We will crack on. If him going turns us into a more cohesive team I’m all for it.

 

[ForgeBlade]

I don't think he's expendable but our tactics are give it to him and unless he's going to actually become an athlete then it's just not going to work.

Not arguing your point, but he looked pretty athletic when he ran half the length of the pitch and played a really clever pass to Campbell for our goal. If he did that more....

 

[robbiez666]

Not arguing your point, but he looked pretty athletic when he ran half the length of the pitch and played a really clever pass to Campbell for our goal. If he did that more....

He's not doing that in the 60th minute though, is he? And he's certainly not going at that speed in the opposite direction.

It also doesn't matter how long someone stays on the pitch if they're not able to perform to a high level. He drops back so he has to do less running.

 

[ForgeBlade]

He's not doing that in the 60th minute though, is he? And he's certainly not going at that speed in the opposite direction.

Fair point. I would still love it if we could somehow keep hold of him though. I would certainly prefer to keep him over Wilder.

 

[robbiez666]

Fair point. I would still love it if we could somehow keep hold of him though. I would certainly prefer to keep him over Wilder.

He's really good at this level but he's reaching an age where he's not going to improve unless he changes his lifestyle. His conditioning has looked poor the second half of the season. He had similar issues with Coventry but ran around more.

 

[robbiez666]

I've just checked and the latest Hamer has scored it assisted in any fame this season is the 58th minute.

 

[Nick Jansky]

Not arguing your point, but he looked pretty athletic when he ran half the length of the pitch and played a really clever pass to Campbell for our goal. If he did that more....

He would probably pick up even more injuries.

 

[IdLiketoRogerMoore]

There's no McAtee in this years team though. Hamer was everything. Next best chance creators were JRS and Burrows

Hamer is a vastly experienced Championship star with the potential for more in the right role. The chances of replacing him like for like or Wilder building a more varied attack that replaces him and how many resources the opposition have to dedicate to him are slim

It's a conundrum for me because a 3 (in a 4-2-3-1) that contains Hamer, JRS, O'Hare if coached in the right way and playing with that right tempo and impetus, should be more than good enough to create goals in the Championship.

What we've seen is O'Hare praised for his pressing then dropped, and JRS just plain dropped.

Whilst we don't know what goes on behind the scenes, Wilders inability to get these 3 (+Brooks and BBD) creating more chances is ridiculous.

 

[IdLiketoRogerMoore]

I've just checked and the latest Hamer has scored it assisted in any fame this season is the 58th minute.

And we're just eejits on a forum. Surely those paid to run out sporting programme see this and do something about it. Or not....

 

[loyalblade95]

Voted 1) Hamer, 2) Wilder.

Main reason is because we've been so reliant on Hamer this season, and while that's not necessarily a bad thing, other players need to do more, especially in midfield.

Its only Hamer and Campbell who reached double figures for goals scored, Burrows was the only other one to reach double figures for total goal contributions (I don't know if JRS did or not in the end).

Unless JRS got at least 3 assists to go with his 7 goals, can't think of any times where he sets goals up, he usually scores rather than create.

Wilder has to be the key to any form of success next season (regardless of Hamer still being here or not), I've said on a few other threads that we've got gaps in this team but that we have a decent/good core.

We've got to dust ourselves down, plug those gaps and push on, and Wilder has to be at the head of that, and subsequently the most key part of it.

 

[MiserableBlader]

I've found it interesting how many people think Hamer is expendable so I wanted to see something

Hamer was the best player despite Wilder playing him and many more out of position
PLUS he seemed to ignore Wilder and do what he wanted and was needed
Hamer bettered Wilder negated our outcomes.
Similarly Hamer fee - if the imbecile Wilder is not involved in setting it - has the chance to contribute if not wasted by Wilder whereas if disastrously here Wilder will suck the effectiveness and heart out of the team even more next season.
Wilder the Leech whilst we are thinking about nicknames.