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FriethBlade said:
Injuries due to our method of training and poor S&C maybe? Or he was just unlucky at the Lane and lucky at Leeds?

I have it on very good authority that our whole 'medical/fitness ' expertise is badly lacking and is one of the areas the new owners are looking to upgrade rapidly
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Rubbish. They are at George’s Park and get the best medical fitness and expertise. Some of these players are phenomenal at this level Sydie Peck, Arblaster, One, Burrows. There are others that will never maintain the level of performance over 90 minutes because they aren’t capable not because they are lazy or bad training or too many sherbets over the weekend. Tyrese has a more explosive sprint than anyone in the team but is body is incapable of doing it for 90, do you genuinely believe because he’s not trained properly or unfit is the reason he is not capable of doing it. As for your source there understanding of the game must be very limited. We are talking about a multi million pound industry not a pub team. During the period when there were lots of hamstrings etc St George’s Park was being used constantly and they found that it was happening across all clubs. I’m not wishing to sound patronising but do you think that a player of Arblaster’s value is treated like a two bob pub player.
 



Andy67 said:
Rubbish. They are at George’s Park and get the best medical fitness and expertise. Some of these players are phenomenal at this level Sydie Peck, Arblaster, One, Burrows. There are others that will never maintain the level of performance over 90 minutes because they aren’t capable not because they are lazy or bad training or too many sherbets over the weekend. Tyrese has a more explosive sprint than anyone in the team but is body is incapable of doing it for 90, do you genuinely believe because he’s not trained properly or unfit is the reason he is not capable of doing it. As for your source there understanding of the game must be very limited. We are talking about a multi million pound industry not a pub team. During the period when there were lots of hamstrings etc St George’s Park was being used constantly and they found that it was happening across all clubs. I’m not wishing to sound patronising but do you think that a player of Arblaster’s value is treated like a two bob pub player.
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So are you telling me that improving our medical and S&C expertise isn't one of the first targets of the new owners?

I don't mean to sound patronising either but I can assure you that it is. And they aren't doing this because we already have state of the art facilities and personnel !!!

And WTF has St George's got to do with it? That's where they go after the injury. The aim is to try and have less go there rather than celebrate that they do go there to recover FFS
 
FriethBlade said:
So are you telling me that improving our medical and S&C expertise isn't one of the first targets of the new owners?

I don't mean to sound patronising either but I can assure you that it is. And they aren't doing this because we already have state of the art facilities and personnel !!!

And WTF has St George's got to do with it? That's where they go after the injury. The aim is to try and have less go there rather than celebrate that they do go there to recover FFS
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The more detailed research into all professional clubs is done there including reasons more players are being injured and why as well as recovery processes. The drawing up of a new academy with state of the art equipment for players was being drawn up by last owners but nothing been done, let’s see wether they can keep their promises. The point I was making is that you were presenting the current training etc as amateur and I’m telling you it isn’t. It can be improved with cryogenic recovery chambers and the like but very few clubs have them. If you wish to drill down to specifics about what your source claims they’re not good at the lane rather than you source said.
 
Andy67 said:
The more detailed research into all professional clubs is done there including reasons more players are being injured and why as well as recovery processes. The drawing up of a new academy with state of the art equipment for players was being drawn up by last owners but nothing been done, let’s see wether they can keep their promises. The point I was making is that you were presenting the current training etc as amateur and I’m telling you it isn’t. It can be improved with cryogenic recovery chambers and the like but very few clubs have them. If you wish to drill down to specifics about what your source claims they’re not good at the lane rather than you source said.
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I've not presented anything as amateur just not up to top standards...and that is fact...read the quote from the board just earlier this week:
"We are also moving forward with our bold ambitions to transform player welfare and medical care in a market-leading way"

I'm not going to expand on what I've been told but our players are "assets" and successful businesses look after and service their assets to the best of their ability. The new board don't think we are currently doing that.
 
FriethBlade said:
I've not presented anything as amateur just not up to top standards...and that is fact...read the quote from the board just earlier this week:
"We are also moving forward with our bold ambitions to transform player welfare and medical care in a market-leading way"

I'm not going to expand on what I've been told but our players are "assets" and successful businesses look after and service their assets to the best of their ability. The new board don't think we are currently doing that.
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Trawl Abdullah he said the same thing. As I said new Academy 10s of millions and worth it however my point about abilities of players to be able to run for more than 75 mins won’t change whereas One can run what 100m in approx 10secs other players can only dream of such pace, his natural ability to run like this can be improved by a state of the art academy but only marginally. The point I am making is that on here we are being bombarded with our players are unfit and it most be due to coaching/conditioning etc etc. I just disagree.
 
Andy67 said:
Trawl Abdullah he said the same thing. As I said new Academy 10s of millions and worth it however my point about abilities of players to be able to run for more than 75 mins won’t change whereas One can run what 100m in approx 10secs other players can only dream of such pace, his natural ability to run like this can be improved by a state of the art academy but only marginally. The point I am making is that on here we are being bombarded with our players are unfit and it most be due to coaching/conditioning etc etc. I just disagree.
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Mate, One cant run 100m in anywjere near 10 secs, there's only one man in the UK run 10.00 this year and the likes of Zarnell Hughes and Jeremy Azu, global sprint medal winners have only run 10.11 and 10.17 respectively.

Anyway i think your general point has merit but it's a 'relative game'. Of course our players aren't unfit versus 99% of the population. But and it's a big but, as a team are we fitter than Leeds/Burnley et al?

What a lot of us have seen with our own eyes is us retreat deeper and deeper in the second half when we have played the top teams. Is that down to fitness, tactics or what? Who knows but one thing is for sure we battered Leeds at home in the first half and we battered Sunderland on Saturday in the first half. The second halves were a completdifferent matter.

I don't think questioning our fitness and those responsible for generating it and maintaining it is an unreasonable position to take. You don't think it's a problem and that's your perogative.
 
Andy67 said:
Trawl Abdullah he said the same thing. As I said new Academy 10s of millions and worth it however my point about abilities of players to be able to run for more than 75 mins won’t change whereas One can run what 100m in approx 10secs other players can only dream of such pace, his natural ability to run like this can be improved by a state of the art academy but only marginally. The point I am making is that on here we are being bombarded with our players are unfit and it most be due to coaching/conditioning etc etc. I just disagree.
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Conditioning and injury prevention is increasingly individualised at the top level. Warm up routines, sleep analysis (when & for how long, different for every individual), individual nutrition plans, recovery programs and, as you mentioned, cryogenics. Also, having the technology to prevent players being able to hide what they think are only small issues but might develop (which many of them do). I’m pretty sure that United currently don’t do any of this to much degree.

The science has increased incredibly in recent years, but that isn’t driven by St George’s Park. It is mainly by elite clubs in conjunction with research facilities around the globe. St George’s Park benefits from it, but mainly on the injury treatment side.

We are miles behind but there’s no shame in it because everyone in the EFL is.

My source is a medical professor who heads up medical & conditioning for a top PL club. I’ve been lucky enough to spend time at their training complex and what they do is mind blowing. The range of equipment wouldn’t fit into Shirecliffe. And the depth of the medicals that potential new signings are subjected to are beyond belief. That weeds out the ones who don’t have the physical and athletic attributes.

But it costs A LOT of money, so if the owners are prepared to go down that route it will be money well spent.
 
FTPE said:
Gus was once out having shots with thr Coventry fans.
People will just say that's why Wilder likes him though 😒
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How many did he score compared to them? Was there a keeper to beat??
 
Nick Jansky said:
Conditioning and injury prevention is increasingly individualised at the top level. Warm up routines, sleep analysis (when & for how long, different for every individual), individual nutrition plans, recovery programs and, as you mentioned, cryogenics. Also, having the technology to prevent players being able to hide what they think are only small issues but might develop (which many of them do). I’m pretty sure that United currently don’t do any of this to much degree.

The science has increased incredibly in recent years, but that isn’t driven by St George’s Park. It is mainly by elite clubs in conjunction with research facilities around the globe. St George’s Park benefits from it, but mainly on the injury treatment side.

We are miles behind but there’s no shame in it because everyone in the EFL is.

My source is a medical professor who heads up medical & conditioning for a top PL club. I’ve been lucky enough to spend time at their training complex and what they do is mind blowing. The range of equipment wouldn’t fit into Shirecliffe. And the depth of the medicals that potential new signings are subjected to are beyond belief. That weeds out the ones who don’t have the physical and athletic attributes.

But it costs A LOT of money, so if the owners are prepared to go down that route it will be money well spent.
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Didn't we used to have some kind of fitness link-up with one of the universities? Seems a cut-price way of getting some expert advice and support.
 
Andy67 said:
Trawl Abdullah he said the same thing. As I said new Academy 10s of millions and worth it however my point about abilities of players to be able to run for more than 75 mins won’t change whereas One can run what 100m in approx 10secs other players can only dream of such pace, his natural ability to run like this can be improved by a state of the art academy but only marginally. The point I am making is that on here we are being bombarded with our players are unfit and it most be due to coaching/conditioning etc etc. I just disagree.
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You can have all the training regimes, dietitians, cryochambers, state of the art conditioning but if you let your players drink and eat badly during the season then they aren't going to be fit enough to compete against their peers at the top end of football.
 
Andy67 said:
Bogle was already capable of it but injuries in the last 2 seasons had adversely affected his ability to do it.
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Plus we had Baldock as well who kept him out of the team quite a few times in the last 2 seasons.

Leeds don't have anyone else to play RB, other than Bogle, which is why he's played all season for them.
 



s20Blade said:
If we can pick up 2-3 talented attacking midfielders that probably won't be as good I think we will be in a better position. We are far too reliant on him being available that when he's not there is no other option than to punt it upto the likes of Moore....if he's available!
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But will the EFL allow us to play 13 or 14 players?
 
Nick Jansky said:
Conditioning and injury prevention is increasingly individualised at the top level. Warm up routines, sleep analysis (when & for how long, different for every individual), individual nutrition plans, recovery programs and, as you mentioned, cryogenics. Also, having the technology to prevent players being able to hide what they think are only small issues but might develop (which many of them do). I’m pretty sure that United currently don’t do any of this to much degree.

The science has increased incredibly in recent years, but that isn’t driven by St George’s Park. It is mainly by elite clubs in conjunction with research facilities around the globe. St George’s Park benefits from it, but mainly on the injury treatment side.

We are miles behind but there’s no shame in it because everyone in the EFL is.

My source is a medical professor who heads up medical & conditioning for a top PL club. I’ve been lucky enough to spend time at their training complex and what they do is mind blowing. The range of equipment wouldn’t fit into Shirecliffe. And the depth of the medicals that potential new signings are subjected to are beyond belief. That weeds out the ones who don’t have the physical and athletic attributes.

But it costs A LOT of money, so if the owners are prepared to go down that route it will be money well spent.
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Yet despite this, injuries especially soft tissue injuries are increasing exponentially - and top elite clubs have bigger and bigger squads playing fewer and fewer minutes...
 
Servigliano said:
Yet despite this, injuries especially soft tissue injuries are increasing exponentially - and top elite clubs have bigger and bigger squads playing fewer and fewer minutes...
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Yep. As great as it is, the science isn’t keeping pace with the increase in the speed and intensity of the game.
 
FriethBlade said:
Mate, One cant run 100m in anywjere near 10 secs, there's only one man in the UK run 10.00 this year and the likes of Zarnell Hughes and Jeremy Azu, global sprint medal winners have only run 10.11 and 10.17 respectively.

Anyway i think your general point has merit but it's a 'relative game'. Of course our players aren't unfit versus 99% of the population. But and it's a big but, as a team are we fitter than Leeds/Burnley et al?

What a lot of us have seen with our own eyes is us retreat deeper and deeper in the second half when we have played the top teams. Is that down to fitness, tactics or what? Who knows but one thing is for sure we battered Leeds at home in the first half and we battered Sunderland on Saturday in the first half. The second halves were a completdifferent matter.

I don't think questioning our fitness and those responsible for generating it and maintaining it is an unreasonable position to take. You don't think it's a problem and that's your perogative.
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There players are more expensive or command big salaries that only those teams can match.
 
For me he falls between the cracks.

Clubs that can afford him won’t want him and those that do want him won’t be able to afford him..

I have a feeling he may still be here next season and not be best pleased about it
 
mancunianblade said:
For me he falls between the cracks.

Clubs that can afford him won’t want him and those that do want him won’t be able to afford him..

I have a feeling he may still be here next season and not be best pleased about it
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Doesn't strike me as the type to down tools. If he is here next season then he has another chance to try and help us gain promotion. If we do then he's back in The Prem where I'm sure he wants to play. If we don't then he'll only have a year left on his contract so his transfer value will obvs be diminished and he will probably have more suitors at the lower price so could move then.
 
FTPE said:
Our culture brings out the best in good and average players, it also allows brilliant ones to shine. Old Yorkshire men shouting on the sideline didn't hold Brooks, MGW, McAtee Henderson, Ndiaye and Gus back. Do we demand a work ethics and a graft like some other clubs might not need as much? Yeah. But we've had some elite players over this past decade while our neighbours with their young, fresh look, "new idea" managers have had zero. Wilder can man manage the Anels just as much as he can the Jake Wrights.
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The vast majority of those players no longer here.If he's such a "man manager",how come he's not managed to cultivate their desire to stay loyal to 'our culture.
Please don't tell me they all left for more money🙏
 
Yoonitedite said:
The vast majority of those players no longer here.If he's such a "man manager",how come he's not managed to cultivate their desire to stay loyal to 'our culture.
Please don't tell me they all left for more money🙏
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They did all leave for more money, as well as taking what they would regard as a step up. Three of them were never actually our players, just passing through on their development path.
 
Yoonitedite said:
The vast majority of those players no longer here.If he's such a "man manager",how come he's not managed to cultivate their desire to stay loyal to 'our culture.
Please don't tell me they all left for more money🙏
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Because they're all in the Premier league.
We had a chance of keeping every single one if we'd gone/stayed up, but you obviously know that.
 
Nick Jansky said:
They did all leave for more money, as well as taking what they would regard as a step up. Three of them were never actually our players, just passing through on their development path.
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It feels like too much quality passes through our club🤔
Will we ever be more than a stepping stone I wonder.🙏
 
Yoonitedite said:
It feels like too much quality passes through our club🤔
Will we ever be more than a stepping stone I wonder.🙏
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Only after major major investment or a few more yo yo years.
It's a shame that our fan base think we should be there instantly.
I think if you ask the majority of us who only missed a few division 4 games if we would take where we are right now as bloody decent, disappointing, but decent, then yes.
We are comaplaining about getting 92 points in the championship like it is not acceptable.
 



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