CONFIRMED Hamer joins Coventry

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FTPE said:
Go on.
Explain it to me.
What part of our culture is holding Gus back?
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Same culture that has players like basham who could run all day, got billy Sharp at his best even in his 30s and various others playing at the highest levels of their career!

I think Hamer is a good player. I don't think he's an outstanding one akin to a Ndiaye or MGW etc.
 
Berkshire Blade said:
Same culture that has players like basham who could run all day, got billy Sharp at his best even in his 30s and various others playing at the highest levels of their career!

I think Hamer is a good player. I don't think he's an outstanding one akin to a Ndiaye or MGW etc.
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Our culture brings out the best in good and average players, it also allows brilliant ones to shine. Old Yorkshire men shouting on the sideline didn't hold Brooks, MGW, McAtee Henderson, Ndiaye and Gus back. Do we demand a work ethics and a graft like some other clubs might not need as much? Yeah. But we've had some elite players over this past decade while our neighbours with their young, fresh look, "new idea" managers have had zero. Wilder can man manage the Anels just as much as he can the Jake Wrights.
 
FTPE said:
Go on.
Explain it to me.
What part of our culture is holding Gus back?
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To be fair Bogle does sort of back what he's saying up.
Bogle virtually played the full season and one of the reasons Leeds went up.
Maybe Culture is not the right word but I do think our Fitness and conditioning need looking at.
 
Captain Obvious said:
That doesn’t sound right, pretty sure he was suspended for 3 games…and must have been injured for at least a couple. He was rested for the last away game, wasn’t he sat in the away end?

There’s no denying he is technically brilliant but his fitness levels aren’t where they need to be. He usually starts strong and goes quiet in the second half. Not sure if the blame should be directed at our fitness team for this.
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At Championship level it is a completely different game to what it was 5 years ago, we see players coming off after 75 mins not because they are unfit but physically incapable of consistently performing at such a high level for 90 mins. If Hamer was capable of that he would sell for 30m at least and be in a top 10 premier league team/squad. Gibbs white can do repeated sprints and not lose his technical ability for 90 mins. Ndiaye is incapable of doing doing the 90 and the is obvious by substitutions and it probably means he will not make it into the top teams in the country. We have been blessed with seeing some quality players recently and the next one through the production line is probably One who can replicate speed sprinting for 90 mins and has technique ability/ physical attributes that could be capable of premier league football. You can’t train someone these attributes and if you’ve got them and you have the right coaches you have a chance at the highest level. I thought when Spurs paid what they did for Johnson they were mental but if you dig down into his repeated sprinting and how long he stays on the pitch doing it you see why Spurs bought him. Back to the Blades we have a few players in our squad who are capable of high level performance Arblaster and Peck. Arblaster’s injury affected our season because of the above, he is capable of 90 mins repeated sprints you can’t train someone to do it whose body is not capable of it.
 
Come on. The season is now at an end.
Newspapers and internet sites have columns to fill.
Expect the usual speculation, guesses, downright ridiculous headline bollocks that are there to generate clicks.
 
Andy67 said:
At Championship level it is a completely different game to what it was 5 years ago, we see players coming off after 75 mins not because they are unfit but physically incapable of consistently performing at such a high level for 90 mins. If Hamer was capable of that he would sell for 30m at least and be in a top 10 premier league team/squad. Gibbs white can do repeated sprints and not lose his technical ability for 90 mins. Ndiaye is incapable of doing doing the 90 and the is obvious by substitutions and it probably means he will not make it into the top teams in the country. We have been blessed with seeing some quality players recently and the next one through the production line is probably One who can replicate speed sprinting for 90 mins and has technique ability/ physical attributes that could be capable of premier league football. You can’t train someone these attributes and if you’ve got them and you have the right coaches you have a chance at the highest level. I thought when Spurs paid what they did for Johnson they were mental but if you dig down into his repeated sprinting and how long he stays on the pitch doing it you see why Spurs bought him. Back to the Blades we have a few players in our squad who are capable of high level performance Arblaster and Peck. Arblaster’s injury affected our season because of the above, he is capable of 90 mins repeated sprints you can’t train someone to do it whose body is not capable of it.
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Fucking Klopp pushing through the 7 subs has fucked football for anyone outside the top6
 
Broomhall Blade said:
To be fair Bogle does sort of back what he's saying up.
Bogle virtually played the full season and one of the reasons Leeds went up.
Maybe Culture is not the right word but I do think our Fitness and conditioning need looking at.
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Culture to me makes us sound like piss head morons. Like we're a group of Mousset's and McBurnie's. There's no way on earth that Wilder and the team don't push our training and our fitness to the absolute limit.
Maybe the intensity has dropped off since his first tenure just because of all the injuries we've picked up? Who else plays unfit though other than Gus and Campbell? Campbell always seems to have a knock and Hamer goes down with a knock with 15min left of every game. Neither is really the coaching staffs fault.
 
Broomhall Blade said:
Question is will he be the same player.
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Balham said:
It's worse than that. Going out for "a few beers" is encouraged by the management and the "culture carriers". No wonder we run out of gas at 70 minutes.

Totally unprofessional.
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The players do not drink. Most drinking takes place out of season. They dedicate themselves to the sport and rightfully so.
 
Big.Dane.w said:
Pointless trying to explain it to you, your stuck in the past like a lot of others
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What by asking??
It's almost like you don't have a point.
Almost like you call Wilder and his team Dinosaurs just because they're English and over 40.
 
Balham said:
It's worse than that. Going out for "a few beers" is encouraged by the management and the "culture carriers". No wonder we run out of gas at 70 minutes.

Totally unprofession
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Tony_Kaufman said:
His run in the final for Campbell's goal showed how fast he can be. He also got a yellow cards for running back quickly and tackling players. He's quick but he doesn't recover between runs fast enough, and that's a fitness/conditioning issue of which he's not the only one.
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It’s a case of his body type can be trained to get to 75 minutes but beyond it there’s a brick wall. Montgomery no brick wall but unfortunately he wasn’t blessed with Hamer’s talent.
 



Big.Dane.w said:
Hamer under a more professional manger and regime will be even better than the Hamer we’ve seen
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He’ll still only do 75 mins. It beggars belief that on this forum they belief that the club is negligent of many if not all aspects of fitness. They employ the best dieticians, fitness coaches, sports psychologists as well as food prepared for them on a daily basis, best doctors as well as surgeons not for fun but to try to get an edge over all other football clubs.
 
Andy67 said:
It’s a case of his body type can be trained to get to 75 minutes but beyond it there’s a brick wall. Montgomery no brick wall but unfortunately he wasn’t blessed with Hamer’s talent.
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He must have been fit enough to play for 90 minutes at some stage of his footballing development. Or did he progress through all the youth systems up to the elite level while saying 'sorry, with my body type I can only do 75 minutes?'
 
Broomhall Blade said:
To be fair Bogle does sort of back what he's saying up.
Bogle virtually played the full season and one of the reasons Leeds went up.
Maybe Culture is not the right word but I do think our Fitness and conditioning need looking at.
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Sorry but you are wrong. We employ the best fitness and conditioning coaches we can. The issue is we don’t buy fantastic players who are capable of such high levels of performance added to technical ability as invariably cost 10s of millions more unless you get lucky of course. I know you won’t find them in untried Peruvian leagues where the issues we are talking about are even more unknown
 
Tickhill Blade said:
He must have been fit enough to play for 90 minutes at some stage of his footballing development. Or did he progress through all the youth systems up to the elite level while saying 'sorry, with my body type I can only do 75 minutes?'
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Yes but consistently I don’t know as I can only say he’s played at Coventry and a German club but who wouldn’t sign someone like him who can do such good stuff for 75 mins.
 
Frank the tank said:
People on this forum keep repeating that but their rumoured budget is 100 million which is about what i expected ours to be
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Personally I am not in the know on budget available. I know they have committed to spend at least £100million on their stadium alone over a period of time (not sure how that is broken down) however with inflation and cost prices/contracts some "experts" think this will be more likely £150-200million. Squad wise although they did well in the Championship and are a decent side. I personally don't think they have the week in week out quality unless they invest at least £100million into the squad, that could be through "loan value" e.g. signing a player from Man City valued at £35million on loan for the season. But to be in with a chance of survival they probably need at least 5 or 6 quality signings.
 
Balham said:
It's worse than that. Going out for "a few beers" is encouraged by the management and the "culture carriers". No wonder we run out of gas at 70 minutes.

Totally unprofessional.
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Gus was once out having shots with thr Coventry fans.
People will just say that's why Wilder likes him though 😒
 
FTPE said:
Culture to me makes us sound like piss head morons. Like we're a group of Mousset's and McBurnie's. There's no way on earth that Wilder and the team don't push our training and our fitness to the absolute limit.
Maybe the intensity has dropped off since his first tenure just because of all the injuries we've picked up? Who else plays unfit though other than Gus and Campbell? Campbell always seems to have a knock and Hamer goes down with a knock with 15min left of every game. Neither is really the coaching staffs fault.
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Bang on the money, sloths and piss heads would be got rid of. One they’d seize to play 20 mins 2) because they would weaken performance of the team
 
jimmymuir said:
People will realise how much we miss him next season when he's at a Prem club.
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If we can pick up 2-3 talented attacking midfielders that probably won't be as good I think we will be in a better position. We are far too reliant on him being available that when he's not there is no other option than to punt it upto the likes of Moore....if he's available!
 
Andy67 said:
Sorry but you are wrong. We employ the best fitness and conditioning coaches we can. The issue is we don’t buy fantastic players who are capable of such high levels of performance added to technical ability as invariably cost 10s of millions more unless you get lucky of course. I know you won’t find them in untried Peruvian leagues where the issues we are talking about are even more unknown
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So Bogle suddenly going virtually a full season with Leeds is just pure coincidence 🤔
 



Andy67 said:
Bogle was already capable of it but injuries in the last 2 seasons had adversely affected his ability to do it.
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Injuries due to our method of training and poor S&C maybe? Or he was just unlucky at the Lane and lucky at Leeds?

I have it on very good authority that our whole 'medical/fitness ' expertise is badly lacking and is one of the areas the new owners are looking to upgrade rapidly
 
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