Go on Trevor lad - get spinning

[Micalijo]

http://www.insidermedia.com/insider/yorkshire/46534-debt-free-blades-more-attractive-investor-birch/

 

[sheffielder]

No pressure to keep us up Micky

 

[SteelCity Blade]

Where's the spin?

 

[Micalijo]

Where's the spin?

OK, OK but owing £15m to Santander is not to me debt free - even though Tevez wedge is lined up to pay it. Why doesn't he just clarify that. I suppose you could just about argue we have invested in this window.

 

[Wapping Blade]

The quote from TB says "effectively debt free" so it appears covered to me.

 

[Revolution]

That article is an unintentional comedy festival.

 

[SteelCity Blade]

He's already clarified that before. The Tevez money will service the bank debt, so it will be cleared in the next few years. Nothing difficult to understand about it, nor any spin involved.

The only bit that I still want to establish is how the McCabe debt is going to be paid back? Surely he will want his money. Is he going to try and get this by selling the club or is he taking it from revenue? That's the bit that is unclear for me.

 

[Trigger Blade]

That article is an unintentional comedy festival.

I've read it and didn't guffaaw once, or even smile, can you point out which bits are funny?

 

[chipsncake]

Interesting he says we are trying to get back to the premier league but doesn't say how we are going to do it. Can I remind him we are heading like a juggernaut for division one and unless he can convince the doubters the club has a strategy to get promotion then I suggest he is better keeping his mouth shut.

 

[lenners]

The proof of the puddings is in the signings of Doyle and Collins.

 

[Revolution]

I've read it and didn't guffaaw once, or even smile, can you point out which bits are funny?

The bits about being debt free when we aren't, and the 4-5000 drop in attendences being "slightly down" for starters.

BTW, well done to you for making a post that doesn't attack Lenners.

 

[beightonblade]

Who owns the freehold ?

 

[Revolution]

The club does, as you well know, you pointless troll.

 

[William Large]

"Our attendances are slightly down. The average last season was 24,000 or 25,000 and we're down to 20,000 to 21,000 this time. We've been feeling a twofold effect: the economic climate and the performance on the pitch."

Try the ticket prices being fucking ridiculous, particularly in the current economic climate.

 

[Gareth]

"Our attendances are slightly down. The average last season was 24,000 or 25,000 and we're down to 20,000 to 21,000 this time. We've been feeling a twofold effect: the economic climate and the performance on the pitch."

Try the ticket prices being fucking ridiculous, particularly in the current economic climate.

I like that theory but at least he is starting to realise that attendance is down for more than economic reasons. Can you seriously imagine the attendance to be the same if we were in the same situation as QPR, Cardiff, Norwich or Swansea?

 

[SwissBlade]

"Our attendances are slightly down. The average last season was 24,000 or 25,000 and we're down to 20,000 to 21,000 this time. We've been feeling a twofold effect: the economic climate and the performance on the pitch."

Try the ticket prices being fucking ridiculous, particularly in the current economic climate.

How do our ticket prices compare to the rest of the division?

Or another comparison, how do ours compare with:

Donny, Barnsley, Leeds, Derby, Nottm Forest

And....Sheff Wed, Huddersfield

And... Rotherham and Chesterfield

 

[Trigger Blade]

I've read it and didn't guffaaw once, or even smile, can you point out which bits are funny?

The bits about being debt free when we aren't, and the 4-5000 drop in attendences being "slightly down" for starters.

BTW, well done to you for making a post that doesn't attack Lenners.

Never let it be said I'm a one trick pony, the misguided and wilful misinforners are all subject to even handed treatment. I've never attacked len or anybody else, that's not how care in the community works.

He didn't say we were debt-free. You may have a point about his definition of "slight" in terms of declining attendances, 16% is perhaps a bit more than that, but not really belly laugh material.

 

[Revolution]

Never let it be said I'm a one trick pony, the misguided and wilful misinforners are all subject to even handed treatment.

Sorry, you're a one trick pony. All I see is Len this, Len that. What did he do, run over your cat or something?

I've never attacked len or anybody else, that's not how care in the community works.

Really? the radio pig thread contains an attack on Len from you.

The direct quote from Birch is "effectively debt free", which is nonsense, and the first para says that we are debt free according to Birch. So either he is mis-quoted in that para or he did say it. Anyway, I found it comical, given our actual debt position is the main thing that prevents any investment in decent players.

 

[lenners]

Of course it's bloody comedy.
What debt free club with aspirations for the Prem signs Coventry and Leeds reserves?
Not sure who the joke's on though.

 

[Trigger Blade]

Sorry, you're a one trick pony. All I see is Len this, Len that. What did he do, run over your cat or something?

Really? the radio pig thread contains an attack on Len from you.

The one trick pony bit was supposed to be slightly tongue in cheek, len cops it more than anyone as the board's uber-doommongerer.

There is no attack, anywhere, maybe your definition of what that constitutes is different from mine and possibly his, he's never complained, I don't think either of us take it entirely seriously.

 

[Revolution]

The one trick pony bit was supposed to be slightly tongue in cheek, len cops it more than anyone as the board's uber-doommongerer.

There is no attack, anywhere, maybe your definition of what that constitutes is different from mine and possibly his, he's never complained, I don't think either of us take it entirely seriously.

Of course he hasn't. You're a pawn in his game.

I just find it odd and a little sad that people would choose to devote their entire time on a message board to picking at someone else, for whatever reason. But it takes different strokes to rule the World, I suppose.

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

Where's the spin?

Saying "we've lost the parachute payments" as if some fuckers turned up and taken them away. They were on a known timescale - LOST nowt.

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"Our attendances are slightly down. The average last season was 24,000 or 25,000 and we're down to 20,000 to 21,000 this time. We've been feeling a twofold effect: the economic climate and the performance on the pitch."

Try the ticket prices being fucking ridiculous, particularly in the current economic climate.

Thats £1.75M or one good/two reasonable players per season?

The parachute payments have gone but the contracts agreed with the players should have reflected this or didn't we think of that?

 

[SteelCity Blade]

Saying "we've lost the parachute payments" as if some fuckers turned up and taken them away. They were on a known timescale - LOST nowt.

I dont think that's an attempt at spin. I'm sure TB is bright enough to know that everyone understands the crack with parachute payments. I must however admit that when clubs say this, it translates into "we blew the parachute money trying to get back up in the first two years and we fucked it up.....oops." However as I said, I dont think the use of any spin is trying to disguise that fact.

If there is one thing you cant do its pull the wool over supporters' eyes when things are going wrong and I dont think they're trying to. I think its simply a case of him saying "thats where we were, this is where we are." What more can he say?

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The parachute payments have gone but the contracts agreed with the players should have reflected this or didn't we think of that?

That however, is something I agree with and it should be a policy at all clubs IMO.

 

[Wapping Blade]

The direct quote from Birch is "effectively debt free", which is nonsense, and the first para says that we are debt free according to Birch. So either he is mis-quoted in that para or he did say it. Anyway, I found it comical, given our actual debt position is the main thing that prevents any investment in decent players.

How can the direct quote be nonsense when it's obviously what he actually said? The first paragraph is an interpretation by the author of the piece.

 

[Dog Blade]

Of course it's bloody comedy.
What debt free club with aspirations for the Prem signs Coventry and Leeds reserves?
Not sure who the joke's on though.

One that's in a massive mess and needs some players who the new manager thinks will help us scrape a few wins to keep us in this league?

Prem aspirations maybe, but doing it this year is surely even far too clever for Trevor?

Would we be better in this battle without the two players you are talking about? Or could we possibly attract better at the minute? I personally think not

 

[William Large]

How do our ticket prices compare to the rest of the division?

Or another comparison, how do ours compare with:

Donny, Barnsley, Leeds, Derby, Nottm Fores
And....Sheff Wed, Huddersfield

And... Rotherham and Chesterfield

I see, that makes it ok then. Ticket prices in general are ridiculous not just at the lane, in these times of fiscal turbulence it would make perfect sense to lower them by a few quid, thus providing a more attractive proposition for those who are in two minds about going.

 

[Revolution]

How can the direct quote be nonsense when it's obviously what he actually said?

It's nonsense because we owe millions to both Santander and, more importantly, McCabe.

The first paragraph is an interpretation by the author of the piece.

And is wrong, which is why it's funny.

 

[SteelCity Blade]

I see, that makes it ok then. Ticket prices in general are ridiculous not just at the lane, in these times of fiscal turbulence it would make perfect sense to lower them by a few quid, thus providing a more attractive proposition for those who are in two minds about going.

I agree with you that tickets are far too expensive (I've said so on here before) but I think the point Swiss is trying to make, is that we have to charge prices in line with other clubs in order to remain competitive with them financially. Lowering the ticket price by a few quid isnt going to get thousands flooding back in when you're playing shite at the wrong end of the table. People would rather just not spend the money to watch something crap.

Football (and sport) as a product is quite unique in the sense that you're not directly competing with other clubs for customers. If you're a Blade or a pig for example, you're not going to have your head turned by another team who can offer a better ticket price or better standard of football. You will either go to watch that team or none at all most likely. It creates a situation where the club knows it doesnt have to be cheaper than other clubs to stop supporters buying into a rival product.

 

[DP8789]

The whole thing stinks, how he can talk about reinvesting what we earn commercially off the pitch onto the pitch is a joke, weve not made any significant signings this window, we havent brought in players that are going to build this club, weve essentially 2 players who are not wanted by their clubs and have been highly criticised by the fans who have watched them for years. we wont keep hold of mattock or lowry, bartleys (our best cb this season) has left and bent wont get more than 5 this season.

this january has been very dissapointing, were going backwords mr birch, not forwards. people who want to invest and be serious about it dont give a damn if a club is debt free or not, the full debt never gets repaid anyway (see sheffield wednesday, leicester, portsmouth - the list goes on).

people want to invest in a club that has a side and a manager worth investing in, we have neither.

 

[lenners]

One that's in a massive mess and needs some players who the new manager thinks will help us scrape a few wins to keep us in this league?

Prem aspirations maybe, but doing it this year is surely even far too clever for Trevor?

Would we be better in this battle without the two players you are talking about? Or could we possibly attract better at the minute? I personally think not

Aye, we've suddenly arrived in this situation as if by magic.
It wasn't as if we'd said we wouldn't be relying on loanings again or completely ignored the need to formulate a proper squad last summer.
It's crisis management after the management at the top of the club created the crisis by bad decision after bad decision.
But that is what happens when you have an owner who scarpers and who just doesn't care about the club.