Get rid of Wilder

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AWetFlannel said:
It's definitely a valid subject for debate, I'm just suggesting that it coming up every time we lose (with the implication that he shouldn't be our manager if we go up) is needlessly negative.

Nobody ends up having a debate, suggesting other managers etc, it begins and ends with "Wilder is shite, can't do X or y, should be gone if we go up."
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We’re having a reasonable debate though, aren’t we?
 

AWetFlannel said:
It's definitely a valid subject for debate, I'm just suggesting that it coming up every time we lose (with the implication that he shouldn't be our manager if we go up) is needlessly negative.

Nobody ends up having a debate, suggesting other managers etc, it begins and ends with "Wilder is shite, can't do X or y, should be gone if we go up."
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Agree with this, ends up becoming a slag off Wilder fest. Feel we shall have a bit more class and respect to one of our own tbh
 
Bennyand the Blades said:
Oh, the old bring in the over seas guy eh, didn't we try that one the last time he left ?
Some very short memory's on here,... :tumbleweed:
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Doesn’t need to be an overseas manager. Wilder might even have learned enough since he left us to have a crack at it himself.

Personally I don’t think he would be open minded enough with signings from outside of the UK and I don’t think he’ll ever regain the ‘bottled lightning’ effect that he achieved last time around.

The thing is that unless we throw a load of cash at it then whoever manages us in the PL when we next get there, be it next year or in the future, is onto a loser anyway. May as well let Wilder do it and not have to pay him compensation.

The club as a whole needs a rethink around its direction though if we think the parochial approach is a good long term strategy, it just isn’t.
 
Bennyand the Blades said:
Oh, the old bring in the over seas guy eh, didn't we try that one the last time he left ?
Some very short memory's on here,... :tumbleweed:
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We tried it once, for half a season once in our history. Barely dipped our toe in.

It’s more about moving away from our mould of british only and being more open minded. Shopping in a bigger talent pond where we have more choice instead of being so tunnel visioned. We go for the same types and wonder why we don’t progress much or can’t break through.
 
Norwood's 6 iron said:
So let me get this right, the players that Wilder won promotion with and took us to our highest premiership finish were just average.
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Of course they were average, they were the absolute epitome of average, some of them even came with us from League One. They worked to a specific and unusual plan and worked extremely hard for each other.
The one who could have gone on to be a real class player was Jack O'Connell, so of course his career was ended, we couldn't have that could we.

I didn't see Real Madrid or Bayern Munich or any of the top Premier League sides busting a gut to sign any of them.
 
It’s just futile even questioning wilders sacking we are in automatic promotion place and even when we drift into the play offs and probably loose again in the final he will still be here.
It would be a mid table to bottom position next season for him to get the bullet.
 
Money rules todays football , any club with enough of it can be a Prem club. it's easy, just buy all the best players.
Mr Wilder did it on a shoe string and in my opinion deserves more respect than some of the WUMs and video game football managers on here give him.
He's done it for real and he'll do it again because he knows more about the game than they ever will.
 
JJBlade said:
Of course they were average, they were the absolute epitome of average, some of them even came with us from League One. They worked to a specific and unusual plan and worked extremely hard for each other.
The one who could have gone on to be a real class player was Jack O'Connell, so of course his career was ended, we couldn't have that could we.

I didn't see Real Madrid or Bayern Munich or any of the top Premier League sides busting a gut to sign any of them.
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That’s pretty much what I’ve always said Wilder himself said they were all playing at an 8/9 level every week way above their weekly consistent level anything below we would have been blown away JOC was the standout top end Premiership player
 
JayGreen17 said:
He’s absolutely diabolical, I’m sick of us having an attritional manager, he’s scared of his own piss, if Hamer was fit enough for the bench start him, if Holden is fit playe him and drop bomb scare Robbo,; I just wish we could wipe the slate clean, but the new owners have decided to give Wilder another massive pay day… very prematurely. a decent manager with this team would not have lost that match… he doesn’t know what system suits the players or what players suits the system.. he’s a joke and if the owners are serious about this club they need to get rid, or They’re gonna lose hundreds of millions and if they don’t have that we’re gonna fine ourselves in admin…
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If there was ever a case of armchair / PlayStation manager ………😉.

UTB
 
Bennyand the Blades said:
Money rules todays football , any club with enough of it can be a Prem club. it's easy, just buy all the best players.
Mr Wilder did it on a shoe string and in my opinion deserves more respect than some of the WUMs and video game football managers on here give him.
He's done it for real and he'll do it again because he knows more about the game than they ever will.
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What he did was special but was not sustainable and I will always be grateful for the best 4 years of football I’ve ever seen by United John Harris included

Can he do it again no - and he does have the third biggest budget in the division this time
Admittedly he got some good players in and the Prince got some decent sales allowing him to do just that
Sadly no he won’t do it again IM “never played a video game “Opinion
 
ATL Recs said:
That’s pretty much what I’ve always said Wilder himself said they were all playing at an 8/9 level every week way above their weekly consistent level anything below we would have been blown away JOC was the standout top end Premiership player
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And some on here think that all happened by accident ?..... :rolleyes:
 

JayGreen17 said:
He’s absolutely diabolical, I’m sick of us having an attritional manager, he’s scared of his own piss, if Hamer was fit enough for the bench start him, if Holden is fit playe him and drop bomb scare Robbo,; I just wish we could wipe the slate clean, but the new owners have decided to give Wilder another massive pay day… very prematurely. a decent manager with this team would not have lost that match… he doesn’t know what system suits the players or what players suits the system.. he’s a joke and if the owners are serious about this club they need to get rid, or They’re gonna lose hundreds of millions and if they don’t have that we’re gonna fine ourselves in admin…
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Some strange comments there, not always a good idea to comment straight after a defeat when emotions take over your thoughts.

Don’t mind so much the title “get rid of Wilder”, theres possibly a bit of a Warnock syndrome where Wilder is great in the lower divisions but might not be able to adapt to PL football being given quality players but we haven’t got there yet. Also I’m really interested to see what Wilder learnt from his last spell in the PL just 2 years, he should know exactly what’s needed.

1: You think he bottled it when the truth is the opposite. Our secret defensive weapon which worked well at Luton was to go to a back 5 but he never used it. Think it was a case of pride before a fall and he thought he”d take on Leeds fighting fire with fire but we run out of steam.

2: If your best player is half fit only an idiot would start him. You’d have him on the bench as back up and hope he’s not needed.

3: Fair point about starting Holding but it’s a big game to give anyone their full debut in such an important position. If he’d have started with a back 5 then Holding would have played but I’m pleased we played open attacking football instead of being scared of Leeds.

4: Not sure how we can end up in admin when we are well inside FFP. All the player contacts are sensible to we’re financially safe.

5: The result was poor but we did play the best team, could have won in what was easily one of our best performances of the season. Plenty to feel optimistic about….however do agree Wilder seems to make little mistakes here and there but it’s easy to judge after the event.
 
I sometimes feel like i am reading this Board from a parallel universe?, we had a rebuild to do this summer and under the tightest restrictions while all the Take Over bollocks was going on Wilder snagged some of the hottest Championship and League One prospects which was miraculous under the old guard as they wanted the money and were ready to run, but with some juggling Wilder turned it around and yes we were light but under the circumstance he performed amazingly and getting them all to gel so quickly as i thought it would be a year of bedding in and then promotion next year.

I feel in the Winter transfer it was not as good, but as some have said Dunne seemed like a no brainer, but 3 mil for part of a season if we go up seems steep to say the least if we don't see him working in the prem?

not sure why we are not using Holding, but maybe Wilder has and always will have a partial blindness to Robbo because he is always up for it and it's something Wilder appreciates, I can't say i was his biggest fan first time round in fact thought it was going to be a Micky Adams part 2, but proved me wrong and then the way he left was a bit pants and was not sure what to make of the second coming so to speak, but again he has worked hard and got us into an unbelievable position and i respect that and don't understand why so many seem to not be on board?

it was hard to see us lose to leeds, but just like wrexham they have not built or are building a team for the league they are in they are looking to build for next season which is a risky move but seems to be paying off for them and the money they have done to make it happen the numbers on wages are if true eye watering for the championship, and now we don't play them again this season and with all due respect f**k Leeds, don't care what they do, but i do care that we take care of business against QPR, then North End, and Bristol, then i shall go into a cold sweat ready for them fu*kers over in south Barnsley.
 
Lane Ender said:
It’s just futile even questioning wilders sacking we are in automatic promotion place and even when we drift into the play offs and probably loose again in the final he will still be here.
It would be a mid table to bottom position next season for him to get the bullet.
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Now we have new owners we don't know their stance on sacking or keeping Wilder if we fail to get promotion this season and have a poor start to next.
 
Lane Ender said:
It’s just futile even questioning wilders sacking we are in automatic promotion place and even when we drift into the play offs and probably loose again in the final he will still be here.
It would be a mid table to bottom position next season for him to get the bullet.
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I'm somewhat on the fence re Wilder but I do think it's well worth of discussion.

No one can deny his past departure wasn't great, similarly no one can deny that he returned to the club and has done well here so far. You rightly so point out we're in autos but we do have to consider what's next for us. I think Wilder in the championship is a fantastic manager but I think asking the question about whether he will be successful next season should we be in the Prem is the elephant in the room some people are refusing to acknowledge. His past Prem season is hanging over him like a cartoon rain cloud it's natural we question it. Couple that with the new owners stating they want us established in the PL it becomes even more valid.

My heart says Wilder deserves his redemption in the Prem and has earned his chance to manage united there again. My head says we may need to consider someone better suited to that league (don't ask me who I wouldn't know) but it's not an easy decision to make I think they both hold merit.
 
Think if we don’t have the money to vastly improve the squad, it won’t matter who the manager is. The new owners have shown they will bring in oversea players. Okay they are more of a gamble and possibly the future.
I don’t think they would accept Wilder saying no to playing them. Also think Wilder is clever enough to know that, how the team plays will need to be different from the championship. That’s where I think Leeds are ahead of us.
If Wilder is stuck on a specific style of play, he is not a good manager, the game is constantly changing. In any business if you don’t adapt your approach, you don’t survive. However would say football managers seem to get vast payouts, so depending on your stance, your okay or not.
 
Davalon said:
Yeah definitely agree.

I'm probably an hypocrite because I loved seeing some of the promotion scenes years ago but top flight football especially, has moved on.

I like a drink and a laugh but I also think there has to be a limit.

I know I'll get pelters for this but my son who is late teens and being going to our games, home and away, since he was at infant school, now drinks in the same pub as Wilder most weeks.

Let's just say his opinion of him has gone downhill and leave it at that.
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Wasn’t so much Wilder when he came in where I was drinking, more his entourage
 
I'm astounded so many fans think we should get rid of Wilder - my first question is always - and replace him with who?
Who's this amazing manager who's going to come in and do better?

We did some brilliant business in the summer considering the constraints we have and we've seen some really promising young players come through.
Before the season started, I thought we'd struggle to get in the play-offs, so to be challenging for automatic, for me, is an over achievement.

I'm not sure what fans expect.
 
JJBlade said:
Of course they were average, they were the absolute epitome of average, some of them even came with us from League One. They worked to a specific and unusual plan and worked extremely hard for each other.
The one who could have gone on to be a real class player was Jack O'Connell, so of course his career was ended, we couldn't have that could we.

I didn't see Real Madrid or Bayern Munich or any of the top Premier League sides busting a gut to sign any of them.
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So unless you play for RM or BM or a top Premier league team you're only a bang average player.
I'm sure that every player that turns out for the blades really appreciates your support, especially now that you've made it clear that you think they are only average.
It really makes me wonder why you claim to support a team that are so mediocre.
 
Norwood's 6 iron said:
So unless you play for RM or BM or a top Premier league team you're only a bang average player.
I'm sure that every player that turns out for the blades really appreciates your support, especially now that you've made it clear that you think they are only average.
It really makes me wonder why you claim to support a team that are so mediocre.
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Average is dependent on where you're plying your trade

They were average by Premier League standards.

And they have been less than mediocre for the majority of the time I've supported them, and saying it and recognising it doesn't make me any less Blade than you
 
coaxingstar71 said:
I'm astounded so many fans think we should get rid of Wilder - my first question is always - and replace him with who?
Who's this amazing manager who's going to come in and do better?

We did some brilliant business in the summer considering the constraints we have and we've seen some really promising young players come through.
Before the season started, I thought we'd struggle to get in the play-offs, so to be challenging for automatic, for me, is an over achievement.

I'm not sure what fans expect.
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Daniel Farke?
 
coaxingstar71 said:
I'm astounded so many fans think we should get rid of Wilder - my first question is always - and replace him with who?
Who's this amazing manager who's going to come in and do better?
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As just one example, Bournemouth managed to find Andoni Iraola who wasn’t really on the radar before his appointment and has done amazingly well. Similarly with Thomas Frank & Fabian Hurzeler, and even de Zerbi before him. They are certainly out there.
 

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