Get rid of Wilder

[Edgar Allan Poo]

I believe hes piss quoting Wilder

Farke has modelled a team on technical ability athleticism and used the overseas market
We are modelling our team on Basset and a 90s bulldog spirit

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[Carlton Blade]

I believe hes piss quoting Wilder

Farke has modelled a team on technical ability athleticism and used the overseas market
We are modelling our team on Basset and a 90s bulldog spirit

No, we aren't. Not in any way, shape or form.

 

[David Wheatley]

So to recap, that’s the JTW where we brought in BBD, Cannon, Choudhury, Clarke, Caceres & Nwachukwu? And nearly brought in Dunne and JJK?

Add Holding to that list and then think whether any of these apart from maybe BBD has actually improved the team on the actual pitch or contributed anything yet

 

[IdLiketoRogerMoore]

I'm more confident we'll at the very least take the chase for automatic promotion to the very end now than I was before yesterday's game.

My only concern is how much more balanced the team looked bith defending and attacking without Hamer. It really freed Burrows up and the whole thing jyst seemed more complimentary all over the pitch. I say this as ine if Hamer's biggest supporters as well

Similar to us looking more balanced when we were down to the bare bones for those few weeks. It's as if Wilder does better the less/more threadbare the players at his disposal!!

Guess that's been the criticism of him going back years. Give him a team of League One free signings from Coventry and he'll get them playing way above their ceiling. Give him £30m to spend and a squad full of top players and it looks confused and a mess.....

 

[Carlton Blade]

Similar to us looking more balanced when we were down to the bare bones for those few weeks. It's as if Wilder does better the less/more threadbare the players at his disposal!!

Guess that's been the criticism of him going back years. Give him a team of League One free signings from Coventry and he'll get them playing way above their ceiling. Give him £30m to spend and a squad full of top players and it looks confused and a mess.....

He's a good manager with a few blind spots and a few tactical limits. I don't buy into the 'one of our own' stuff this, or the 1st time but you can't say he's not one of the best managers in the EFL.

It'd be harsh but I think the best way he could improve would be bringing in a new assistant with different ideas. Maybe make Knill DoF?

 

[JJBlade]

The jury is still out for me. I'm still annoyed at how he flounced out last time.

He's good at rebuilding and he's done a very good job in the summer. Sorted out the atrocious defence and coped well with losing Arblaster who was becoming a pivotal player.

Losing Souttar has changed the dynamic as the platform is wobblier than it was before.

He's been well backed in the JTW. I'm expecting some good performances as well as points now he's got a big and strong squad. No excuses now, his side needs to have some style.

I'll be judging at the end of the season, IF we get promoted, we may well need a different type of manager.

The problem is backing him, I hope the club give him fuck all else.
He's best left to freebies and loan players that are a bit dopey and need motivating, he can then start motivating them.
If he's given more than tuppence to spend on a player he hasn't got a clue.

Even Hecky when given £15 million to spend recognised Hamer's ability, that £15 million would have gone down the toilet on some right tosser if Wilder had spent it.

 

[Blade56]

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[Norwood's 6 iron]

There is no way that our owners are going to sack Wilder at this stage of the season, so those that don't like him will just have to suck it up until we know which division we are in next season.
The question I keep asking is a simple one, those that don't want Wilder, who do you want?

 

[Rufus Smalls]

Similar to us looking more balanced when we were down to the bare bones for those few weeks. It's as if Wilder does better the less/more threadbare the players at his disposal!!

Guess that's been the criticism of him going back years. Give him a team of League One free signings from Coventry and he'll get them playing way above their ceiling. Give him £30m to spend and a squad full of top players and it looks confused and a mess.....

Same can be said of Warnock.

 

[georgebernardshaw]

The problem is backing him, I hope the club give him fuck all else.
He's best left to freebies and loan players that are a bit dopey and need motivating, he can then start motivating them.
If he's given more than tuppence to spend on a player he hasn't got a clue.

Even Hecky when given £15 million to spend recognised Hamer's ability, that £15 million would have gone down the toilet on some right tosser if Wilder had spent it.

You can’t leave your dislike of CW out of it, can you? You really do post a load of bollocks at the best of times, but a balanced and well thought out post is totally beyond you.

 

[IdLiketoRogerMoore]

He's a good manager with a few blind spots and a few tactical limits. I don't buy into the 'one of our own' stuff this, or the 1st time but you can't say he's not one of the best managers in the EFL.

It'd be harsh but I think the best way he could improve would be bringing in a new assistant with different ideas. Maybe make Knill DoF?

A DoF was the one thing I'd hoped our new owners would bring in...

 

[Nick Jansky]

A DoF was the one thing I'd hoped our new owners would bring in...

Early days still. Hopefully they will.

 

[Berkshire Blade]

Get rid of fans who can't see what a total and utter mess the club was in due to the previous windows before meaning last season was a write off and we had to rebuild the last two windows


And yet we are still second even with a points deduction. If we stick the landing it's a bigger achievement than his first championship promotion.

 

[JJBlade]

You can’t leave your dislike of CW out of it, can you? You really do post a load of bollocks at the best of times, but a balanced and well thought out post is totally beyond you.

I don't dislike Wilder, I just recognise that he can't sign a decent player for big money.
We all have our skills, and we all have things we're not so good at

Wilder's skill is motivating very ordinary players to become average

 

[Carlton Blade]

A DoF was the one thing I'd hoped our new owners would bring in...

They may still do that. I don't think one person can run everything for a top 30 English club anymore. It's too much of a competitive disadvantage when other clubs have staff dedicated to elements a manager can only give a small % of attention to

 

[georgebernardshaw]

I don't dislike Wilder, I just recognise that he can't sign a decent player for big money.
We all have our skills, and we all have things we're not so good at

Wilder's skill is motivating very ordinary players to become average

You’re absolutely right, in my case my weakness is patience (or rather lack of it) with elements of of our fanbase who wait for a bad result prior to pouring bile and insults on players, manager, even ex players who see their reputations shredded online with no real right of reply.

To be fair, you’ve achieved a first……you’re on ignore.

 

[Roygbiv]

 

[IdLiketoRogerMoore]

They may still do that. I don't think one person can run everything for a top 30 English club anymore. It's too much of a competitive disadvantage when other clubs have staff dedicated to elements a manager can only give a small % of attention to

They can't. Especially if we ever make it back to the PL...

Before we even get on to the subject of which players can step up to PL levels or who is buying the players - there needs to be an elite sporting performance programme in place that exists and runs whoever the manager is. I don't care if it's Wilder, Hecky, Pep Guardiola or Graham Norton who is the first team manager the sight of our players looking shattered after 70 mins or playing when clearly not fit cannot carry on...

 

[Carlton Blade]

They can't. Especially if we ever make it back to the PL...

Before we even get on to the subject of which players can step up to PL levels or who is buying the players - there needs to be an elite sporting performance programme in place that exists and runs whoever the manager is. I don't care if it's Wilder, Hecky, Pep Guardiola or Graham Norton who is the first team manager the sight of our players looking shattered after 70 mins or playing when clearly not fit cannot carry on...

Manchestwr City spend incredible amounts of money on their staff, facilities, process etc. They do everything they can to make the 2st team managers job as simple as possible. All the other PL teams have lesser versions of that but they are still telling their manager "make the 1st team good, leave everything else to us"

 

[Tom Bott]

Signing a centre back not ready, or trusted, for first team football wasn’t a great decision from the management team.

Better to not have one at all then ?

You make it sound like Wilder planned for Souttar to be out injured for the season after only 3 months.

Was it a bad decision to sign Souttar ?

Can we blame Wilder for that.

 

[Tezza1889]

To be fair, you’ve achieved a first……you’re on ignore.

Best thing I ever did on here, it's great without the trolls who seem to live here 24 hours a day being pedantic and argumentative.

 

[SUFCinks]

I’ve been pretty vocal about wilder, mainly critical. Whilst there is room for improvement there is definitely a lot he’s doing right.

In a nutshell we are functional and overachieving but at times not nice to watch.

We are 2nd in the league which is a great achievement. By far his biggest accolade. Out of possession i think we are pretty good. When we have the ball we can be better and that side of the game often frustrates me. His signings are hot and cold. He tends to favour effort over technical ability or athleticism in signings. Pros and cons to that approach. His game management is a mixed bag, sometimes making odd decisions playing too many players out of position.

For me the Leeds performance really wasn’t that bad, we’ve played far worse against much lesser opponents. We had a go at them at times but poor game management and Leeds quality eventually killed us off.

I didn’t like the appointment in the first place and would still prefer we looked beyond this mould of manager but i think he’s done a decent job. He has his limits though. If we have premier league aspirations, which we should, then he can certainly get us there (which i didn’t believe he would be able to) but i don’t believe he is able to sustain us there. An overhaul would be required AGAIN to make that transition.

 

[Bladezz]

He’s absolutely diabolical, I’m sick of us having an attritional manager, he’s scared of his own piss, if Hamer was fit enough for the bench start him, if Holden is fit playe him and drop bomb scare Robbo,; I just wish we could wipe the slate clean, but the new owners have decided to give Wilder another massive pay day… very prematurely. a decent manager with this team would not have lost that match… he doesn’t know what system suits the players or what players suits the system.. he’s a joke and if the owners are serious about this club they need to get rid, or They’re gonna lose hundreds of millions and if they don’t have that we’re gonna fine ourselves in admin…

Another absolute sausage we have on here.

 

[Rufus Smalls]

Better to not have one at all then ?

You make it sound like Wilder planned for Souttar to be out injured for the season after only 3 months.

Was it a bad decision to sign Souttar ?

Can we blame Wilder for that.

Agreed, Souttar getting injured came out of the blue. My comment was regarding the fact we have replaced him with a centre forward that isn’t getting time on the pitch. Whether that’s through injury or that Wilder doesn’t think he is ready to put straight into the team, he isn’t an ideal replacement.

As many have said, a competent centre half was more urgent than another centre forward in the Jan window.

 

[IdLiketoRogerMoore]

Manchestwr City spend incredible amounts of money on their staff, facilities, process etc. They do everything they can to make the 2st team managers job as simple as possible. All the other PL teams have lesser versions of that but they are still telling their manager "make the 1st team good, leave everything else to us"

Absolutely. The most alarming takeaway for me from Monday was the echoes from last season as our team of short arsed try hards simply got over-run and over-whelmed by a team much more athletic and physically stronger and more dynamic.

Surely if we'd learnt our lesson we'd have had someone setting the agenda focused on recruiting along these principles and rolled out a Strength & Conditioning Programme which specifically addressed this.

If we do go up Leeds are a team we'd have to finish above to have a chance of staying up and they look much more 'PL ready ' than us.

 

[petcharlie]

There is no way that our owners are going to sack Wilder at this stage of the season, so those that don't like him will just have to suck it up until we know which division we are in next season.
The question I keep asking is a simple one, those that don't want Wilder, who do you want?

I think the same mate ,the out Wilder lot do not say who they want or who would have got us in second place in the Championship even after having 2 points taken off us . Fans are so fickle I wonder if Man City fans ARE CALLING FOR PEP TO BE SACKED? They come on here praising sausage roll and then slag Wilder off ,very strange .

 

[Silky Sabella]

He’s absolutely diabolical, I’m sick of us having an attritional manager, he’s scared of his own piss, if Hamer was fit enough for the bench start him, if Holden is fit playe him and drop bomb scare Robbo,; I just wish we could wipe the slate clean, but the new owners have decided to give Wilder another massive pay day… very prematurely. a decent manager with this team would not have lost that match… he doesn’t know what system suits the players or what players suits the system.. he’s a joke and if the owners are serious about this club they need to get rid, or They’re gonna lose hundreds of millions and if they don’t have that we’re gonna fine ourselves in admin…

Accurate to the core in every detail.
Brilliant post JayGreen

 

[finlaytheblade]

I think the same mate ,the out Wilder lot do not say who they want or who would have got us in second place in the Championship even after having 2 points taken off us . Fans are so fickle I wonder if Man City fans ARE CALLING FOR PEP TO BE SACKED? They come on here praising sausage roll and then slag Wilder off ,very strange .

All clubs have such fans you can bet city have them as well.
It's a personality trait and can't help themselves.
Difficult to ignore such pessimists!
They are in the minority! Just more vocal than the standard fan.

 

[AWetFlannel]

Agreed, Souttar getting injured came out of the blue. My comment was regarding the fact we have replaced him with a centre forward that isn’t getting time on the pitch. Whether that’s through injury or that Wilder doesn’t think he is ready to put straight into the team, he isn’t an ideal replacement.

As many have said, a competent centre half was more urgent than another centre forward in the Jan window.

Campbell hasn't been fit all season, Moore was out with an operation, Brewster is always injured but a reliable striker wasn't urgently needed?

It's such a stupid way to look at how a transfer window works. Holding isn't an ideal replacement, but perhaps the ideal replacement didn't exist? Perhaps they exist but clubs were charging massively inflated prices? Perhaps the owners were willing to spend both £10 mill on Cannon AND a large fee on a CB, but it just never materialised?

Don't let any of that stop our deeply unserious fans from assuming that we passed up the chance to sign a brilliant CB as a direct result of signing Cannon. Where is the evidence for this?

 

[Newbury Blade]

This must be the reason so many fans with zero understanding of professional football claim our manager is tactically inept.

They cry about something like substitutions, have the completely logical reasons why they were made explained to them, but they ignore it and continue to make a fool of themselves. Some are trolls/pigs, but some are just so wounded by his previous departure that they are primed to hate everything he does.

Whatever he does now, however successful he is, we'll never have a proper atmosphere and feel good factor at the club until he's gone. These fans will never come around, clearly.

But they’ll be exactly the same with whoever comes in. They’re spoilt children.