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[Selly]

It's an offence to enter a football ground drunk.

Is it an offence to get rat arsed whilst you are in there?

Because no doubt brownie was stone cold sober when he entered the ground...

 

[Ted Danson]

What I dont get is how the police / stewards have pictures of these people who post on twitter, do they fill in all the info correctly and have a nice passport style mugshot on their profile, most people I know have some random pic on there and fill in the bare minimum of info, most likely fake info as well. I would have thought any trouble maker would definitely have fake info on there.

So do they get every tweet containing that hashtag and then get their IP from twitter (who are supposed to be slow and bad at giving out info) then go to the persons ISP and get their name and address and the somehow get a photo of that person and issue it to all the special coppers there who scour all the CCTV for these individuals and the search them.

Or do they just make it up and accuse everyone of posting daft things on Twitter?

 

[Darren]

The problem with this is

1. A lack of knowledge by supporters which can lead people unwittingly in to trouble

2. It gived snap judgement to police and more pertinently a steward who might have had one days training but may make a judgement that could have long reaching consequences for the person involved.

It is very much like walking through a minefield for those that a good drink is considered de rigour for a decent away day

But to be fair, given that there are x thousand people in there, many of whom will have had a drink, the police/stewards are only likely to arrest drunken people if they are making themselves stand out in some way.

Thats not to say injustices don't happen and the attempt by police to get a banning order when there was no suggestion of violence being involved is outrageous. If you are nicked for bring drunk and disorderly down West Street, you wouldn't get an order banning you from West Street for 3 years.

 

[Highbury_Blade]

But to be fair, given that there are x thousand people in there, many of whom will have had a drink, the police/stewards are only likely to arrest drunken people if they are making themselves stand out in some way.

Thats not to say injustices don't happen and the attempt by police to get a banning order when there was no suggestion of violence being involved is outrageous. If you are nicked for bring drunk and disorderly down West Street, you wouldn't get an order banning you from West Street for 3 years.

One of the regions of the Police force i used to work for had a target of x amount of successful banning applications per year, and x was always incremented an an annual basis.

 

[Highbury_Blade]

What I dont get is how the police / stewards have pictures of these people who post on twitter, do they fill in all the info correctly and have a nice passport style mugshot on their profile, most people I know have some random pic on there and fill in the bare minimum of info, most likely fake info as well. I would have thought any trouble maker would definitely have fake info on there.

So do they get every tweet containing that hashtag and then get their IP from twitter (who are supposed to be slow and bad at giving out info) then go to the persons ISP and get their name and address and the somehow get a photo of that person and issue it to all the special coppers there who scour all the CCTV for these individuals and the search them.

Or do they just make it up and accuse everyone of posting daft things on Twitter?

You'd be surprised at what information put out in the public domain.

 

[SwissBlade]

So basically, being pissed, carrying (or tweeting about) fireworks, looking at potholes inside a football ground' being called Mohammed and filming the Feds is about the worst crime anyone in the UK can commit.

 

[drinksmat]

All that and cow tipping.....

 

[PeterNdlovu081]

Ha ha, when he calls him a pervert at the end.

What kind of perversion is taking photographs of a Golden Wonder factory in Scunthorpe?

 

[Trigger Blade]

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I got arrested and done for being drunk .

I think you'll find the phrase is "in an advanced state of refreshment"

 

[Darren]

One of the regions of the Police force i used to work for had a target of x amount of successful banning applications per year, and x was always incremented an an annual basis.

I am just about to do a case in Middlesborugh relating to a guy who was stopped by the police at the airport in 2010 on his way to S. Africa for the World Cup. They allegedly had intelligence that he was a leader of the Boro hooligans. They took his passport and applied for a banning order. He contested it and the case was adjourned and adjourned (until long after the World Cup was over) until they eventually said that they didn't have sufficient evidence to get a banning order and the case was dropped.

We have now brought a civil claim and the intelligence has been disclosed to us. It is nothing more than that he knows a few alleged hooligans and has been seen to chatting to them in pubs. That is apparently enough to make you a "risk" supporter. There is no suggestion that he has ever personally been involved in any violence and the fact that he had watched England abraod 22 times with no hint of trouble was apparently irrelevant.

The police are fighting this (their argument is essentially that you can't be too careful when it comes to hooligans and that his associations made it reasonable for them to stop him going to SAF and to consider a banning order). The trial is next week.

 

[Kenilworth]

 

[Selly]

I am just about to do a case in Middlesborugh relating to a guy who was stopped by the police at the airport in 2010 on his way to S. Africa for the World Cup. They allegedly had intelligence that he was a leader of the Boro hooligans. They took his passport and applied for a banning order. He contested it and the case was adjourned and adjourned (until long after the World Cup was over) until they eventually said that they didn't have sufficient evidence to get a banning order and the case was dropped.

We have now brought a civil claim and the intelligence has been disclosed to us. It is nothing more than that he knows a few alleged hooligans and has been seen to chatting to them in pubs. That is apparently enough to make you a "risk" supporter. There is no suggestion that he has ever personally been involved in any violence and the fact that he had watched England abraod 22 times with no hint of trouble was apparently irrelevant.

The police are fighting this (their argument is essentially that you can't be too careful when it comes to hooligans and that his associations made it reasonable for them to stop him going to SAF and to consider a banning order). The trial is next week.

Once the trial is complete let us know how you got on.

Although good help him if you predicted a win for him, given your track record predicting the results for the Blades...

 

[United Aren't Back.]

Oooo... they don't like that.

Just imagine filming the plod doing anything..that will annoy them. My sis and her hubby got quizzed in the vicinity of the White house years ago for taking photos..that was one thing..Albert rd potholes are quite another. Just absurd.

 

[United Aren't Back.]

What I dont get is how the police / stewards have pictures of these people who post on twitter, do they fill in all the info correctly and have a nice passport style mugshot on their profile, most people I know have some random pic on there and fill in the bare minimum of info, most likely fake info as well. I would have thought any trouble maker would definitely have fake info on there.

So do they get every tweet containing that hashtag and then get their IP from twitter (who are supposed to be slow and bad at giving out info) then go to the persons ISP and get their name and address and the somehow get a photo of that person and issue it to all the special coppers there who scour all the CCTV for these individuals and the search them.

Or do they just make it up and accuse everyone of posting daft things on Twitter?

Everyone maybe, apart from that leeds moron who attacked kirkland at swillsborough...dork...he`d be ok following wednesday himself.

 

[United Aren't Back.]

But to be fair, given that there are x thousand people in there, many of whom will have had a drink, the police/stewards are only likely to arrest drunken people if they are making themselves stand out in some way.

Thats not to say injustices don't happen and the attempt by police to get a banning order when there was no suggestion of violence being involved is outrageous. If you are nicked for bring drunk and disorderly down West Street, you wouldn't get an order banning you from West Street for 3 years.

As a slight aside...but related.....one thing that makes me cringe is that football clubs will say you`ll be ejected for foul language..but a group of dozens of men will sing obscenities or racism, and be unchallenged due to the numbers involved.