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The Vicar said:
No team with LM & OB up front is getting promoted.
No team with BO and JR in the back 4 is getting promoted.
No team with JF & ON together in MF is getting promoted.
No team whose first thought is pass it back or square is getting promoted.
No team that has no efforts on target is getting promoted.

You will see a common thread!

I cannot believe that JS picked this team, from just looking at them on the sheet you could not see how it was going to work. Uninspiring, cautious & a total lack of creativity. It looked as bad as last year.

On that showing it will be league 1 within 3 years, we looked back to Adkins days.

BRING BACK WILDER ALL IS FORGIVEN!
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I'm sure I remember a team with Fleck and Norwood in midfield getting promoted...
 
Kenworthy’s Tash said:
Thing is those players should be plenty good enough, my doubt is the manager, he's paid handsomely to make the difference and on that showing I have no idea what he's been doing?

Blades always do best under managers with big characters, Bassett, Warnock, Wilder for example but Jokanovic just comes across as monotone, boring... I doubt he'd inspire me....

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With respect, you don't have a clue.
 
The Vicar said:
No team with LM & OB up front is getting promoted.
No team with BO and JR in the back 4 is getting promoted.
No team with JF & ON together in MF is getting promoted.
No team whose first thought is pass it back or square is getting promoted.
No team that has no efforts on target is getting promoted.

You will see a common thread!

I cannot believe that JS picked this team, from just looking at them on the sheet you could not see how it was going to work. Uninspiring, cautious & a total lack of creativity. It looked as bad as last year.

On that showing it will be league 1 within 3 years, we looked back to Adkins days.

BRING BACK WILDER ALL IS FORGIVEN!
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These are his players 😂 the new boss hasn't signed one player yet let's see who he brings in first eh
 
Problem is that criticism is labelled as panicking instantly in this world which objects to anything daring to be nuanced in an opinion. That clearly wasn’t every good. It needs to be a lot better. That is not having a meltdown or panicking but is blatantly obvious. I fully agree with those saying remember it is one game abs give it time but they must remember that such things have been said about the likes of Weir, Robson and Heath. And yes, we lost the first game each of Wilder’s promotion seasons but they were not following a car crash or a season like last year (Adkins was bad but not that bad). Momentum is a huge thing in football. We have seen the benefits of it in recent years but we must be aware and wary that we are not now in aspen ward cycle of negative momentum, the likes of which have dragged Sunderland into football’s doldrums in recent years. My main worry is that Slav is going with the same old and hoping for an upturn in form. I worry that this is the definition of what Einstein said was Doug the same thing and hoping for a different outcome. Personally, it hi k we are at the moment when more of an clean sweep is needed, for mindset more than anything else. I think the time is up for players like Fleck, Norwood, Stevens and maybe even Baldock. We should use the opportunity of a talent laden youth team and a new manager to reimagine the playing staff. For me that would be Norrington-Davies at LB, Zak Brunt in Midfield and Jebison up top instead of Burke. I’m not saying Fleck, for example, Isaias player but maybe that Fleck at Sheffield United has had his day.
 
Criticism is fine, some of the bed wetting is just embarrassing. Found someone clown on Twitter already saying Jokanovic out... Also at the game I was surrounded by fans jeering our players... Like that helps?

Criticism is absolutely fine, just football fans aren't the greatest at putting that criticism across in anything like a sensible way.
 
I'm panicking to be honest. The squad is totally unbalanced. It's hard to believe a club in receipt of PL money for 2 seasons could have been allowed to be in such a state.

A lack of a pre-season, and a manager trying to change the system are both legitimate excuses for a slow start. However, our biggest issue is personnel.
 
Shrblade said:
Not an over reaction. Just being realistic - not good enough. End of.
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Realistic? Fuck me, what’s realistic about “anyone thinking we will win promotion must be deluded” after ONE fucking game? Have a word with yourself. It wasn’t great but the new manager has been here 2 minutes. Give him a chance FFS
 
Kanye said:
I'm panicking to be honest. The squad is totally unbalanced. It's hard to believe a club in receipt of PL money for 2 seasons could have been allowed to be in such a state.

A lack of a pre-season, and a manager trying to change the system are both legitimate excuses for a slow start. However, our biggest issue is personnel.
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Jokanovic just said in his interview we're close with 2 (That will be Vieira and Davies) and that he's after 2 more. So that will be a change in personnel.
 
I haven't seen us play since the Norwich game back in 2020 (ok, apart from the first 10 minutes against Villa but then I had to turn it off) and I fully appreciate that the 3-5-2 system didn't and can't have worked for a number of reasons (didn't see it but relegation tells you enough).
HOWEVER, whilst the loss of O'Connell probably had a massive impact, this team, and these players are all still accustomed to playing as a 3-5-2 and I still believe it'll suit us better (need Basham back in there) as a 4-3-3 formation (or whatever the fuck that was) just doesn't look to suit us at all - the players just looked bit lost to me and we had no 'drive' whatsoever (apart from Berge giving it a bit of a go.
We were way too easy to play against in that formation and as I sat there watching us it got fucking boring - it was like watching a dog-shit England game and fucked if I'll be watching that kind of 'style' all season!
Not an over reaction as such, and admittedly I hadn't seen how poor we'd become last season either, but surely we just need to tweak a few things and get back to playing like we did when we had a Duffy at the top end of a midfield 3 and make teams worry about us?!
Still early days of course but looking at that tonight, not only are we going to be easy to play against, but we're also going to be fucking boring to watch as well!!
Not quite Bryan Robson boring but similar to the boredom level of International football.
Just my opinion, and I'm sure I'll get slated for it, but get Basham back in the team, get defenders overlapping again (but mix it up a bit and not totally rely on it EVERY time we attack) but give the opposition something to think about and get the crowd excited (I don't know, maybe try Mcgoldrick or even Freeman in that 'Duffy' role).
Rant over, early days, but please don't fucking bore us to death with formations and displays like that . . . . . . What the fuck??!!
 
This was the first time SJ has seen this side play decent opposition. If we had played that Norwich friendly and they schooled us like Birmingham did... This team, formation and style of play wouldn’t have seen the light of day again.
 
Caseh said:
Jokanovic just said in his interview we're close with 2 (That will be Vieira and Davies) and that he's after 2 more. So that will be a change in personnel.
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That's encouraging, although this team looks like it will need a lot more than 2 signings to look anywhere near promotion material.

A left sided centre back, 2 midfielders, and two creative wingers/wide forwards are a must if we are going to persist with this formation.
 
Kanye said:
That's encouraging, although this team looks like it will need a lot more than 2 signings to look anywhere near promotion material.

A left sided centre back, 2 midfielders, and two creative wingers/wide forwards are a must if we are going to persist with this formation.
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Getting a LB in place and a proper CB at LCB will make a gigantic difference. Won't be scared of losing the ball, so will be a little more free to go for it with riskier passes.
 
Caseh said:
Getting a LB in place and a proper CB at LCB will make a gigantic difference. Won't be scared of losing the ball, so will be a little more free to go for it with riskier passes.
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Very true, though I'm just as concerned about the midfield as I am about the defence.
 
Kanye said:
Very true, though I'm just as concerned about the midfield as I am about the defence.
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Well Vieira will be taking the place of either Norwood or Fleck (I assume Fleck). So that would only leave Norwood, who if given some space can still spray passes around really well. So wouldn't surprise me to see us go with Vieira - Norwood - Berge. If the defence is solved with either Enda or RND and then Davies at CB, I think that would be more than good enough in that department. Could be wrong ofc, but that's how I see that going.
 



6 yellows they bullied our small soft side.
The ref missed a clear pen and the worst tackle of the game just before the end Berge had both legs taken out in that last tackle.
The ref immediately blew the whistle and let their player walk away scot free he should have awarded the free kick plus a card.
 
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Caseh said:
Well Vieira will be taking the place of either Norwood or Fleck (I assume Fleck). So that would only leave Norwood, who if given some space can still spray passes around really well. So wouldn't surprise me to see us go with Vieira - Norwood - Berge. If the defence is solved with either Enda or RND and then Davies at CB, I think that would be more than good enough in that department. Could be wrong ofc, but that's how I see that going.
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I admire your optimism, and hope you're right. I can't help but think we'll need a lot more, including a Norwood replacement.
 
Early doors after a shortened preseason so hopefully the lads will pick up soon and Slav brings in a few fresh faces.
 
Deano said:
Berge was our best player by a fkin mile ( and even he was poor 1st half)
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Yep he drew 3 yellow cards and that ugly tackle thrown in just before the whistle would have made 4 . The weak ref just blew for full time saved pulling out a 7th yellow and let the player off ,even though he cleared out both of Berge's legs.
 
The Vicar said:
No team with LM & OB up front is getting promoted.
No team with BO and JR in the back 4 is getting promoted.
No team with JF & ON together in MF is getting promoted.
No team whose first thought is pass it back or square is getting promoted.
No team that has no efforts on target is getting promoted.

You will see a common thread!

I cannot believe that JS picked this team, from just looking at them on the sheet you could not see how it was going to work. Uninspiring, cautious & a total lack of creativity. It looked as bad as last year.

On that showing it will be league 1 within 3 years, we looked back to Adkins days.

BRING BACK WILDER ALL IS FORGIVEN!
Click to expand...
You are clearly a fool. None of the players mentioned were signed by our new manager and I'm pretty sure Fleck and Norwood were in a midfield together when we got promoted.

Finally, how can we bring back a man who resigned from a club he loves (apparently) back?
 
The Vicar said:
No team with LM & OB up front is getting promoted.
No team with BO and JR in the back 4 is getting promoted.
No team with JF & ON together in MF is getting promoted.
No team whose first thought is pass it back or square is getting promoted.
No team that has no efforts on target is getting promoted.

You will see a common thread!

I cannot believe that JS picked this team, from just looking at them on the sheet you could not see how it was going to work. Uninspiring, cautious & a total lack of creativity. It looked as bad as last year.

On that showing it will be league 1 within 3 years, we looked back to Adkins days.

BRING BACK WILDER ALL IS FORGIVEN!
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HillmortonBlade said:
Yes, because he did a stellar job last season up to the point he walked away.
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And bought a pile of shite!
 
Zone Man said:
I haven't seen us play since the Norwich game back in 2020 (ok, apart from the first 10 minutes against Villa but then I had to turn it off) and I fully appreciate that the 3-5-2 system didn't and can't have worked for a number of reasons (didn't see it but relegation tells you enough).
HOWEVER, whilst the loss of O'Connell probably had a massive impact, this team, and these players are all still accustomed to playing as a 3-5-2 and I still believe it'll suit us better (need Basham back in there) as a 4-3-3 formation (or whatever the fuck that was) just doesn't look to suit us at all - the players just looked bit lost to me and we had no 'drive' whatsoever (apart from Berge giving it a bit of a go.
We were way too easy to play against in that formation and as I sat there watching us it got fucking boring - it was like watching a dog-shit England game and fucked if I'll be watching that kind of 'style' all season!
Not an over reaction as such, and admittedly I hadn't seen how poor we'd become last season either, but surely we just need to tweak a few things and get back to playing like we did when we had a Duffy at the top end of a midfield 3 and make teams worry about us?!
Still early days of course but looking at that tonight, not only are we going to be easy to play against, but we're also going to be fucking boring to watch as well!!
Not quite Bryan Robson boring but similar to the boredom level of International football.
Just my opinion, and I'm sure I'll get slated for it, but get Basham back in the team, get defenders overlapping again (but mix it up a bit and not totally rely on it EVERY time we attack) but give the opposition something to think about and get the crowd excited (I don't know, maybe try Mcgoldrick or even Freeman in that 'Duffy' role).
Rant over, early days, but please don't fucking bore us to death with formations and displays like that . . . . . . What the fuck??!!
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A really in depth post that. Can't understand why the golden shower gang who love talking about piss have ignored it.....
 
Blacksea said:
This is definitely going to get worse before it gets better,Ismael must be rubbing his hands at what he just saw and he's got land of the giants to service with cross after cross a week on Wednesday.Swansea were garbage today and I wouldn't bet a penny on us getting a point there next game.
Congrats to all the sceptics who all summer have known what and where strengthening was needed,and had to listen to the " but this isn't the Premier" brigade.Still think we have to many forwards and some need shipping out?,well think again.
Bergerac head and shoulders above any of our players,and Birmingham,as a team,were head and shoulders above us.
Five in now seems minimum,and its not going to come cheap either,we are mid table at very best,with half a team needing to be integrated and the not good enough shipped out,all the wheeling and dealing that needed to be done in summer has to be done in what's left of the window,hope to God that the players brought in are up to it,and then the rest of the dealing done in January,to get play offs this season on this evidence would be a miracle
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What a fucking massive overreaction that is.It was an even game .We dominated possession.However they looked more effective on there rare forays into our box.
 
It’s almost like

Slavs a slow starter

We have had no pre season

Learning a new system after using the same one for 3 years plus

We have just come off an absolute shit show of a season never seeing the ball


FFS people hold your nerve.This was never going to be a minute one steam roll of the division.Get a reality check and some fucking patience whilst you are at it.Pig like delusion what some are expecting from Slav.
 
Stretch said:
Mate, there's one every time we lose a match.

I honestly, genuinely don't know how some on here make it through the day.

Panic! At the first opportunity.
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it isn't panic , to call out deficiencies that have been obvious for 18 months but not rectified - it's just plain & justifiable anger with the lack of signs that the rot might be stopped
 



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