Game off

[B.Lade]

It does sound then the wider pitch this season really is the issue if we got heater blowers in for the touch lines?

Fuck me I was only joking when I said it.

I suppose next summer we bring it back to its old pre Selles dimensions and next season it’s back to normal..

Just pray we have a mild rest of this winter.

Can't believe this is really the case. Surely the undersoil heating would be under all the grass. 'Widening' the pitch wouldn't be beyond the limits of the grass that was laid, so you'd imagine the undersoil heating should still cover it. More likely a partial system failure

 

[thehet]

On the 1st point , your right , its very rare which shows how reliable systems are, even ours untill today .

On the second point I'd imagine its checked by an engineer every 12 months before winter and fully commissioned ( flow rates and temperature checked etc ) not much more you can check if everything is working.

Problem being its probably the maintenance/ground person who fires it up when required who's probably not an engineer. They might well gave an operating manual but unlikely to check every single flow meter or gauge on the system or interpret an issue ( if there was one at start up) .

If thats the case they'll probably look at a bit of procedure to avoid in future .

Its possible everyone did everything correctly and it was a one off.

I'd add that if you are employed as the groundsman of a championship football club, it should not inconceivable that you know how to operate the undersoil heating system and, in times of a forecasted frost, be competent enough to determine if there is a fault or not. I mean, what else do you have to do?

 

[The Fox]

I'd add that if you are employed as the groundsman of a championship football club, it should not inconceivable that you know how to operate the undersoil heating system and, in times of a forecasted frost, be competent enough to determine if there is a fault or not. I mean, what else do you have to do?

I think that may be what they need to look at i agree . Might be that its the case and something just failed during the night .

Some things cant be mitigated, aircraft have extensive safety checks and still crash after all .

 

[Berkshire Blade]

Couldn't have been that cold one fella was in his shorts...

 

[steve26272]

I'd add that if you are employed as the groundsman of a championship football club, it should not inconceivable that you know how to operate the undersoil heating system and, in times of a forecasted frost, be competent enough to determine if there is a fault or not. I mean, what else do you have to do?

They switched it on, then fucked off home and left it to hope- for such a business critical bit of kit, surely leave a junior onsite to do hourly checks with groundsman/engineer on stand by tho night if it breaks?

 

[thehet]

I think that may be what they need to look at i agree . Might be that its the case and something just failed during the night .

Some things cant be mitigated, aircraft have extensive safety checks and still crash after all .

Again, mostly due to a person fucking up.

It is far more likely that someone didn't do something correctly, or on time, or at all, than solely a mechanical failure.

 

[Bladesman]

 

[Slim Man]

Pathetic, just resort to insults if someone has a different perspective. Is there anything you do like about SUFC?

Yeah, going to watch them. Hence why this has annoyed me and many so much.

 

[PrestwichBlade]

Again, mostly due to a person fucking up.

It is far more likely that someone didn't do something correctly, or on time, or at all, than solely a mechanical failure.

So say someone did fuck up, what do you want to happen?

 

[FatPaul]

So say someone did fuck up, what do you want to happen?

Sack wilder probably.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Again, mostly due to a person fucking up.

It is far more likely that someone didn't do something correctly, or on time, or at all, than solely a mechanical failure.

How so? How is it far more likely that someone didn’t turn it on rather than a particular area failed, especially when the areas under playing surface operated fine?

 

[HighfieldBlade]

The faux outrage and apoplexy is off the scale with some on here. They won't be satisfied until they see heads roll

 

[Bladesman]

 

[thehet]

How so? How is it far more likely that someone didn’t turn it on rather than a particular area failed, especially when the areas under playing surface operated fine?

It was more a general statement, particularly with the aviation comparison.

I also didn't say it wasn't turned on.

Again, if they are so reliable (which they might be), why have 3 games been called off today in the Championship and yet a Premier League game hasn't had a frozen pitch postponement since 2010...

 

[thehet]

So say someone did fuck up, what do you want to happen?

They are given a premier league return season ticket at S6.

 

[Stretch]

The faux outrage and apoplexy is off the scale with some on here. They won't be satisfied until they see heads roll

 

[bertieblade]

Having read our press release I get the impression that the club thought that the game could have been played.

 

[Bartleby]

Absolutely, its not emitter (pipe) failure in the most cases just circulation failure .
Undersoil invariably uses quite low temperature water in larger diameter pipework , basically meaning theres a lot of volume of water to shift around long loops of pipe , Remember its not heating just frost protection.

Its doubtful only one pump covers the entire system as it wouldn't make practical sense, a single pump failure covering part of the system or something as simple as a fuse or contact and nothings going to work on the affected section . Guess they found that when they got there this morning.

Just one of those things , guess we've all woken up to find the heatings not working at some time, even on a well serviced system , its not different.

I guess the pic below might give people some idea of what's below the pitch.

View attachment 228423

Just thinking about this, I sometimes mess around with temperature sensors. I've got them dotted around inside and outside the house, even in the fridge, and all feed data to my PC. They cost peanuts and I set it up so I get alerts , for instance if the fridge is too warm or too cold.

Surely this sort of tech could/should be built into an expensive undersoil antifrost system, and an SMS alert sent out if the pitch surface is colder than it should be the night before a game? Ideally in this instance if that had happened sometime overnight last night, if it detected the soil temperature had gone below a particular temperature that it shouldn't have, they could have got someone in much earlier to have a look at it, get the blowtorches on etc.

They'd have to pay people to be on call for that, but the club must have lost quite a bit today from this.

Edit: or it could be they do have that in place already which would imply someone fucked up

 

[Nick Jansky]

Disappointed not to have been to the Lane today, but that’s been more than compensated for by the opportunity to laugh at some of the sad tossers and conspiracy theorists on this thread desperately thrashing around looking for a scapegoat and retribution against somebody, anybody!

I sympathise with those who made long journies. Other than them, surely this has to be the most fanny laden topic of the season so far! Hilarious!

 

[Greasy Chap Butty]

Disappointed not to have been to the Lane today, but that’s been more than compensated for by the opportunity to laugh at some of the sad tossers and conspiracy theorists on this thread desperately thrashing around looking for a scapegoat and retribution against somebody, anybody!

I sympathise with those who made long journies. Other than them, surely this has to be the most fanny laden topic of the season so far! Hilarious!

Generally by the type of people who give 1 star reviews for places because they'd run out of a particular pizza topping at 11pm on a Tuesday night.
The type of people who have never actually been responsible for running or organising anything.

 

[CrookesBlade]

The faux outrage and apoplexy is off the scale with some on here. They won't be satisfied until they see heads roll

 

[Nick Jansky]

Generally by the type of people who give 1 star reviews for places because they'd run out of a particular pizza topping at 11pm on a Tuesday night.
The type of people who have never actually been responsible for running or organising anything.

Yep, we’ve become a very entitled society of absolute snowflakes and there have been plenty of them on display today.

 

[The Fox]

Just thinking about this, I sometimes mess around with temperature sensors. I've got them dotted around inside and outside the house, even in the fridge, and all feed data to my PC. They cost peanuts and I set it up so I get alerts , for instance if the fridge is too warm or too cold.

Surely this sort of tech could/should be built into an expensive undersoil antifrost system, and an SMS alert sent out if the pitch surface is colder than it should be the night before a game? Ideally in this instance if that had happened sometime overnight last night, if it detected the soil temperature had gone below a particular temperature that it shouldn't have, they could have got someone in much earlier to have a look at it, get the blowtorches on etc.

They'd have to pay people to be on call for that, but the club must have lost quite a bit today from this.

Edit: or it could be they do have that in place already which would imply someone fucked up

Very true , all commercial systems of HVAC will have some form of BMS ( building management system ) which is what you descibe , basically lots of sensors linked to a computer used for data monitoring and automation . I'd imagine the main stand has just that . Debatable if the external undersoil forms part of this , even if so you cant practically put a sensor on every section , in the main it was working and did work .
As I've said you can mitigate issues to a practical extent but to monitor every part of every system just isnt possible / practical.

 

[jt64]

Just thinking about this, I sometimes mess around with temperature sensors. I've got them dotted around inside and outside the house, even in the fridge, and all feed data to my PC. They cost peanuts and I set it up so I get alerts , for instance if the fridge is too warm or too cold.

Surely this sort of tech could/should be built into an expensive undersoil antifrost system, and an SMS alert sent out if the pitch surface is colder than it should be the night before a game?

I'm really not sure that if things are such that the undersoil heating is needed that such an alert would actually be able to be actioned in enough time to prevent the sorts of problems you want it to, at least without having an obscene amount of resources on call, but happy to be corrected

 

[Ginger Gnome]

View attachment 228429

Where were these pricks earlier, that would have defrosted the pitch no problem

 

[CrookesBlade]

Disappointed not to have been to the Lane today, but that’s been more than compensated for by the opportunity to laugh at some of the sad tossers and conspiracy theorists on this thread desperately thrashing around looking for a scapegoat and retribution against somebody, anybody!

I sympathise with those who made long journies. Other than them, surely this has to be the most fanny laden topic of the season so far! Hilarious!

It’s absolutely mental.

We’ve had under soil heating for 30 years. This is the first time it appears to have failed resulting in a postponement.

I sympathise with people who’ve made wasted journeys, particularly the Oxford fans as we’ve been on the end of that a few times in recent years.

But ultimately nobody has died or been imprisoned. Most people have simply had to find an alternative way to pass an hour or two this afternoon.

Is a bit of perspective too much to ask?

 

[Harry's Game]

Not read Gagey’s post on Twitter but I assume he puts it down to Con Trails?

 

[FatPaul]

Generally by the type of people who give 1 star reviews for places because they'd run out of a particular pizza topping at 11pm on a Tuesday night.
The type of people who have never actually been responsible for running or organising anything.

Best analogy I've seen for this so far.

 

[Bartleby]

Very true , all commercial systems of HVAC will have some form of BMS ( building management system ) which is what you descibe , basically lots of sensors linked to a computer used for data monitoring and automation . I'd imagine the main stand has just that . Debatable if the external undersoil forms part of this , even if so you cant practically put a sensor on every section , in the main it was working and did work .
As I've said you can mitigate issues to a practical extent but to monitor every part of every system just isnt possible / practical.

Fair enough, not my area of expertise just trying to apply what bit I do know, on an amateur basis, about temperature monitoring. Maybe I'm being naive but some of the sensors I use are tiny and cost pence each, it would cost very little to monitor a large area.

I'm really not sure that if things are such that the undersoil heating is needed that such an alert would actually be able to be actioned in enough time to prevent the sorts of problems you want it to, at least without having an obscene amount of resources on call, but happy to be corrected

Maybe not, but the fact that there were people out with blowtorches at the Lane, and at Hull, makes me think they did think it was rectifiable, so maybe having an 8 hour start on that could have got those games on? Wonder how much the club has lost on this? A team of 12 people on call for the occasional winter game to come in if needed to do the blowtorches or whatever wouldn't cost much in the scheme of things.

 

[Bartleby]

Not read Gagey’s post on Twitter but I assume he puts it down to Con Trails?

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