Incoming? Foreign Loan?

[SufcBilly]

Nathan Hemmingham who works for Yorkshire live is doing a q+a whilst up in Scotland with the squad, i asked the following:

"Does the gaffer have his eye on the overseas market or is it mainly domestic due to current restrictions r.e Covid and quarantine?"

His reply

" I don't think Covid and quarantine would put him off for a deal but I don't think United are looking at too many players abroad - there's a possible loan for a European player that has been mooted out here in Scotland, similar to the deals for Zivkovic and Retsos, but no names - but there won't be too many, but Chris is definitely looking at the loan market at home and abroad"

 

[Bladezz]

We failed with our last international loans badly.

 

[Dean Smith]

No names?

 

[brownblade]

We failed with our last international loans badly.

Did we?! Or did we just have a settled team?

 

[Mouth of the South]

We failed with our last international loans badly.

I thought they provided cover at what was a critical time. Unfortunately for them, the side was settled and getting results and no injuries were experienced, hence why they didn't get much of a chance. The squad would have incredibly thin without them.

 

[Houso]

We failed with our last international loans badly.

Any particular reason you're so down on us at the moment?

 

[DifferentClass]

No names?

He's Basque, they have some peculiar names down there.

His brother's called Outon.

 

[SufcBilly]

He's Basque, they have some peculiar names down there.

His brother's called Outon.

Outon Yerarse? smashing liccle player

 

[Bladezz]

Any particular reason you're so down on us at the moment?

This isn’t negative. Look through my posts I always try spin positive vibes. But I’ve said about our recruitment recently being poor.

You wouldn’t class Restos and Zivkovic as succeses would you?

If you classed them as success I would be inclined to think you won’t ever criticise the club. Works both ways mate.

 

[Davalon]

This isn’t negative. Look through my posts I always try spin positive vibes. But I’ve said about our recruitment recently being poor.

You wouldn’t class Restos and Zivkovic as succeses would you?

If you classed them as success I would be inclined to think you won’t ever criticise the club. Works both ways mate.

Retsos didn't work out due to Covid and reduced budgets.

Shame. I thought he could have been an asset in time. Seen nothing from Zivkovic to think he was remotely good enough.

 

[Foody]

We failed with our last international loans badly.

Bit harsh, came in late in the window when we had a settled squad. By the time they'd had time to settle Covid was in full swing and football stopped. Shame we couldn't extend Restos, he was the one who had the pedigree to succeed.

 

[Kanye]

Look through my posts I always try spin positive vibes.

 

[ShockingBadBuy]

No names?

Genius. Hats off

 

[itsinyerblood]

We failed with our last international loans badly.

So, following the logic of your post, we no longer consider players from beyond these shores?

 

[FriethBlade]

The problen with loan players when u r in the top half of the premiership is unless u get injuries or suspensions they get no chance to play. If they are foreign and were good enough to play their current team would want a big fee for them.

Retsos left as he had no chance of replacing any of the back 3 and when we got injuries Robinson or Jags covered . For a 15m player who has played for his country thats never going to wash.

 

[ChipButtyBlade]

 

[Bladezz]

So, following the logic of your post, we no longer consider players from beyond these shores?

Not unless we have drastically improved in that department.

 

[itsinyerblood]

Not unless we have drastically improved in that department.

By that logic we should abandon signing players who happen to come from specific areas of the UK because previous or subsequent signings from said geographical areas are unsuccessful?

 

[BlairBlade]

Don't want to appear negative or anything but how about some "foreign purchases".

I, for one, would like that.

 

[Houso]

Like... Sander Berge?

 

[Bladezz]

By that logic we should abandon signing players who happen to come from specific areas of the UK because previous or subsequent signings from said geographical areas are unsuccessful?

If you don’t understand my point in regards to international loans. That’s more your issue than anyone else’s. I wish you luck.

 

[itsinyerblood]

If you don’t understand my point in regards to international loans. That’s more your issue than anyone else’s. I wish you luck.

Deflection....the fact that you've not described your point adequately is the problem, so 'must try harder' seems entirely appropriate.

You employed opinion without reasoning, so no explanation other than a brief dislike which, presumably, was intended to pass as 'conclusive' explanation.

 

[Bladezz]

Deflection....the fact that you've not described your point adequately is the problem, so 'must try harder' seems entirely appropriate.

You employed opinion without reasoning, so no explanation other than a brief dislike which, presumably, was intended to pass as 'conclusive' explanation.

Our 100% dismal record of loan signings from abroad seemed quite basic and obvious. Apologies if it wasn’t clear.

 

[itsinyerblood]

Our 100% dismal record of loan signings from abroad seemed quite basic and obvious. Apologies if it wasn’t clear.

So you include the signings of the two Greek internationals, Vas Borbokis and Traianos Dellas, in your conclusive view?
For those old enough to remember both these players were great ambassadors for this club, but Vas was a genuine talent, so to suggest that all foreign players should be forgotten about is shortsighted and foolish.

Surely signing players is always gamble, no matter how good they're meant to be? Isn't this part and parcel of signing players? Some are worth signing, others prove less successful, but this applies no matter where a player originates from. I'll go so far to suggest that most Blades want to see good players wearing our colours, but to expect guarantees seems impossible. Even the very best managers sign players, domestic and foreign, who fail to make the grade. Alex Ferguson signed many foreign players for Man Utd, but even with their resources his record wasn't completely successful. Do you recall Djemba-Djemba, or the highly rated Veron, or who can forget (or should that be remember?) Obertan? The fact is that every club signs players who fail to deliver. So why you think we're exceptional in this respect is mystifying.

We should continue to scout players whether they're from Wales, Whitby, or Cannes. Unlike Borbokis, the dynamics behind signing players now is very different, and as soon as a player has a reputation most clubs are alert to this fact. I'm still surprised that we managed to sign Berge, but boy am I happy we did.

What puzzles me is why you'd prefer not to sign players from abroad? Unless of course you can successfully dispute the points I've made above.

 

[Bladezz]

So you include the signings of the two Greek internationals, Vas Borbokis and Traianos Dellas, in your conclusive view?
For those old enough to remember both these players were great ambassadors for this club, but Vas was a genuine talent, so to suggest that all foreign players should be forgotten about is shortsighted and foolish.

Surely signing players is always gamble, no matter how good they're meant to be? Isn't this part and parcel of signing players? Some are worth signing, others prove less successful, but this applies no matter where a player originates from. I'll go so far to suggest that most Blades want to see good players wearing our colours, but to expect guarantees seems impossible. Even the very best managers sign players, domestic and foreign, who fail to make the grade. Alex Ferguson signed many foreign players for Man Utd, but even with their resources his record wasn't completely successful. Do you recall Djemba-Djemba, or the highly rated Veron, or who can forget (or should that be remember?) Obertan? The fact is that every club signs players who fail to deliver. So why you think we're exceptional in this respect is mystifying.

We should continue to scout players whether they're from Wales, Whitby, or Cannes. Unlike Borbokis, the dynamics behind signing players now is very different, and as soon as a player has a reputation most clubs are alert to this fact. I'm still surprised that we managed to sign Berge, but boy am I happy we did.

What puzzles me is why you'd prefer not to sign players from abroad? Unless of course you can successfully dispute the points I've made above.

We are a League one club 4 years ago. As such I would imagine our European scouting knowledge was perhaps at 0.

For us to identify the best foreign talent on loan I believe we would need a big restructure. Which I am sure we are working towards but as of yet it’s not up the standard.

One would imagine the people that signed Veron etc more than likely kept there job due to being SAF brother rather than a professional decision.

 

[mattbianco1]

We failed with our last international loans badly.

This isn’t negative. Look through my posts I always try spin positive vibes. But I’ve said about our recruitment recently being poor.

You wouldn’t class Restos and Zivkovic as succeses would you?

If you classed them as success I would be inclined to think you won’t ever criticise the club. Works both ways mate.

Your default setting on transfers is negative. You may be positive about other things, but transfers, it's 99% negative.

Not unless we have drastically improved in that department.

We signed Retsos and Zivkovic on 31st January. From there we played the following games:

Palace (A) 01/02 (1 day after signing)
Bournemouth (H) 09/02 (9 days) - a game we didn't take the lead in until 84th minute, hardly time to blood a new boy in.
Brighton (H) 22/02 (22 days) - another very tough game which was level for all but 4 minutes of the game.
Reading (A), cup, 03/03 (32 days) - Retsos made a cameo appearance.
Norwich (H) 07/03 (36 days) - see above PL games, all tight with very competitive points on offer.

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In which of those games would you have played either of them? I thought Reading would've been a shoe-in but I guess Wilder could smell the quarter final.

During the pandemic, a deal wasn't agreed with Retsos (or Besic for that matter) and they went back to their clubs. Zivkovic went on to make 5 substitute appearances in the 10 games post-lockdown.

I'm guessing a 3.5month gap from training with your new team mates didn't help.

 

[Bladezz]

Your default setting on transfers is negative. You may be positive about other things, but transfers, it's 99% negative.



We signed Retsos and Zivkovic on 31st January. From there we played the following games:

Palace (A) 01/02 (1 day after signing)
Bournemouth (H) 09/02 (9 days) - a game we didn't take the lead in until 84th minute, hardly time to blood a new boy in.
Brighton (H) 22/02 (22 days) - another very tough game which was level for all but 4 minutes of the game.
Reading (A), cup, 03/03 (32 days) - Retsos made a cameo appearance.
Norwich (H) 07/03 (36 days) - see above PL games, all tight with very competitive points on offer.

{PANDEMIC}

In which of those games would you have played either of them? I thought Reading would've been a shoe-in but I guess Wilder could smell the quarter final.

During the pandemic, a deal wasn't agreed with Retsos (or Besic for that matter) and they went back to their clubs. Zivkovic went on to make 5 substitute appearances in the 10 games post-lockdown.

I'm guessing a 3.5month gap from training with your new team mates didn't help.

Yes I would agree I am on the negative side for our most recent signings. We are looking like selling Robinson and Freeman 12 months after purchasing them.

Restos and Zivkovic were in my opinion failures, they hardly ever played so they cannot be classed as good.Our squad was so thin and they still weren’t used on a regular basis.

I said from the start out while future relies on the recruitment this season. I believe Ramsdale is a fantastic signing! I am maybe in the minority that wanted Ramsdale over Henderson.

I am still hopefull we can make the required signings to survive. I hope we do anyway.

 

[Pedro Verde]

Restos and Zivkovic were in my opinion failures, they hardly ever played so they cannot be classed as good.Our squad was so thin and they still weren’t used on a regular basis.

Whilst Retsos was here there was no real opportunity for him to play at that time the defensive options were not a problem so you cant say the defensive side of the squad was thin. He wasnt here post lockdown as far as Im aware

Zivkovic didnt show much, it is hard to impose yourself on a game coming on as a sub for 15 mins he probably wasnt good enough

 

[mattbianco1]

Yes I would agree I am on the negative side for our most recent signings. We are looking like selling Robinson and Freeman 12 months after purchasing them.

Restos and Zivkovic were in my opinion failures, they hardly ever played so they cannot be classed as good.Our squad was so thin and they still weren’t used on a regular basis.

I said from the start out while future relies on the recruitment this season. I believe Ramsdale is a fantastic signing! I am maybe in the minority that wanted Ramsdale over Henderson.

I am still hopefull we can make the required signings to survive. I hope we do anyway.

I don't think you can base anything on last season. They were signed and within 4 weeks we were in lockdown.

If the season had continued as normal with 5 & 1 sub appearance I would agree. But last season wasn't normal.

 

[itsinyerblood]

We are a League one club 4 years ago. As such I would imagine our European scouting knowledge was perhaps at 0.

For us to identify the best foreign talent on loan I believe we would need a big restructure. Which I am sure we are working towards but as of yet it’s not up the standard.

One would imagine the people that signed Veron etc more than likely kept there job due to being SAF brother rather than a professional decision.

There's no suggestion, at least from myself, that our rise hasn't brought with it a few problems. Good ones I should add.

So, fast tracking the original submission, do you still think we should abandon the search for good players or not? As much as I'd love to see the best foreign or domestic talent, I hardly think we'd be at the top of anyone's list for securing signatures of said talent. If it happened then wonderful, but we're currently adjusting to the demands of a fairly unforgiving Division, so guile, smarts, and good old luck will be the things we have to rely on. I somehow seem to imagine that Wilder and his massive (oops, seemed appropriate) will duck and dive until solutions are found. That's not wishful thinking, just a reflection of what our management has shown is possible.