Fighting Talk

[Ecco1889]

Honestly? Not joking? Seriously and no hint of irony? Really and truthfully?

Yarm is a shithole
I wanna go home

 

[I should coco]

I think Derby and Norwich will be ahead of them for a start.

Pearson past his sell buy date , like we had with Clough and Adkins .

The bloke didn't do much at Derby .

I have an acquaintance who works at Derby and they won't do anything with Mel Morris in charge. Decent bloke apparently and he loves Derby, but he can't stop interfering. He is totally hands on and spends all day at the training ground and gets too close to the players. When the manager gives anyone a hard time, they all go running to Uncle Mel, crying that Pearson/Clement/McClaren has 'lost the dressing room'.
His son has a well paid role in player recruitment and is apparently always suggesting wonderful new players that the manager should sign which is of course also very helpful.

I'd give Rowett until autumn.

 

[Isar]

Really?

I think Derby and Norwich will be ahead of them for a start.

It will be close, but I do think Boro will be strong and have an advantage financial.
Hull will also be close by.

 

[cahill]

That wer bollocks - ignore

I was just thinking it definitely won't be in Scunny

 

[Worksop II]

Boro will be top 6 unless Bernie Slaven gets injured, then they are fucked.

I will start to panic when Stuart Ripley appears ......

 

[northsomersetblade]

Went to boro once as a student for a weekend and as a young lad was surprised the locals told me to watch out for marauding packs of hunter killer women on Saturday nights. I tried hanging around a bit but had no luck.

Too bad, try Newport next time, only make sure one of them doesn't spike your drink

 

[snootyfenooty]

Don't mind Boro' one bit. Gibson is one of the few good guys in football at the top level.

 

[Davie Blade]

Looking forward to next season, what's not to like about Teeside on a cold winters night for an away game

Teeside is quite attractive, especially on a winters night

with a power cut .

 

[Davie Blade]

Boro are the best placed of the 3 coming down.
Interesting article.
http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2017/05/1...onship-bound-hull-middlesbrough-and-sunderla/

Middlesbrough
Will the manager be there next season?

Almost certainly not. Steve Agnew became the sacked Aitor Karanka’s interim replacement in March but has won only one of 10 games. In a weekend radio interview the chairman, Steve Gibson, hinted at extensive changes within the club – thought to include the manager. Nigel Pearson, Alan Pardew, Garry Monk and Ryan Giggs could all be in the frame as may David Wagner, should Huddersfield fail to secure promotion. Situated in the middle of attractive countryside and adjacent to a five‑star spa hotel, Boro’s well-appointed training ground possesses decent pulling power. Agnew is expected to remain at Middlesbrough, reverting to his former coaching role.

Which players will be sought after? Is there any chance they might stay?

Ben Gibson commands a sizeable fan club and the centre-half has recently been the subject of £30m transfer speculation. In the immediate aftermath of relegation Gibson, the chairman’s nephew, said he wanted to stay put but that may have been emotion talking and seems unlikely. Victor Valdés will not stick around, Brad Guzan is returning to the United States and the loanees Álvaro Negredo and Calum Chambers will return to Valencia and Arsenal respectively.

Will that leave a squad capable of promotion?

A few additions are required but, broadly, yes, the nucleus of a promotion challenging squad should remain intact. Gibson certainly thinks so. “The only place I want to be is the Premier League,” said Boro’s chairman at the weekend. “We’re in a good financial position. We should have more resources going into next season than any other Championship club. We want to smash the league. We want to go up as champions. We have a core of players we feel are more than capable. We just need to add more flair and more pace.” George Friend, Fabio da Silva, Dani Ayala, Adam Clayton, Adam Forshaw, Grant Leadbitter, Stewart Downing, Patrick Bamford and Rudy Gestede should again prosper in a familiar second-tier habitat.

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Will there be money to spend?

Most definitely. The club is already on a sound financial footing and, as with Hull and Sunderland, £47m worth of parachute payments are heading Boro’s way next season alone. Gibson’s prediction about “smashing the division” would not have been made lightly.

 

[lingsbord]

I remember loads of people saying "Sheffield United must be nailed on favourites for a return to the Premier League"




Money guarantees nothing. The worst scoring record in English football needs to be addressed if Boro are going to challenge.

 

[Ricky]

£47m worth of parachute payments are heading Boro’s way next season alone.

How the fucking hell is that justifiable in the slightest....

 

[BushBlade]

I remember loads of people saying "Sheffield United must be nailed on favourites for a return to the Premier League"




Money guarantees nothing. The worst scoring record in English football needs to be addressed if Boro are going to challenge.

It's all relative. It's £47m, a huge amount to us but only the same as Sunderland, Hull, Villa, Norwich. All fighting for two places. Then, there's also the club that punches above its weight (this year Huddersfield, next season hopefully us) and the clubs that may or may not challenge, like Brum under Redknapp, Forest under Warburton etc

I think Boro should challenge but whether or not they'll go up, no idea and nor has anyone else until they've appointed a manager and signed some players.

 

[RealMcCoy]

Think those who said it all depends on getting the right manager were spot on......and we've got the best manager already!

 

[Cerberus Blade]

It will be close, but I do think Boro will be strong and have an advantage financial.
Hull will also be close by.

Meant to add Villa. I think they will be favourites. Big club Loadsa dish and good manager.

 

[Ted Danson]

Having lived there for 3 years I can confirm the Boro is an absolute shithole and the only thing that will get me back there is to see the mighty Blades play and obviously have a parmo

 

[Champagneblade]

In many ways, Boro, are the perfect team to come down:

1. They are garbage and didn't even take it to the last day of the season.
2. They have struggled to score goals. Expecting your misfiring strikers to become flat track bullies when dropping one level has seen many teams come unstuck.
3. They have no manager. Players will sign for other teams who at least have a man with a plan e.g. Thomas.
4. Their decent players are either borrowed e.g. Negredo or sure to leave e.g. Gibson.
5. They will have a big budget. But will need it to pay the overpaid mediocre players they now have on contract and who went down with a whimper.
6. Plus, the Chairman has now heaped pressure on whoever comes in.

Absolute fodder for the awaiting pack. Great team to come down.

Hull I think will do better.
1. They have enough players that will want to stay. Although my opinion of those coming down is pretty low, Hull have enough core players that will still be there.
2. They can compensate for those leaving. Maguire will go, but they will be competitive with Dawson and Davis. Robertson will go, but they have Tyman they are looking to develop.
3. They will have a relatively steady midfield with Huddlestone, Mason eventually, plus the Egyptian lad who can play on the right and if they lose Clingan it will be on their terms.
4. Up front they will keep enough to be competitive.
5. But again, potentially new manager. Best of a bad bunch in my view.
6. Mad and unpopular owners.

Sunderland I fear for.
1. Fans hate the manager.
2. Only decent player, Defoe sure to leave and for nothing.
3. Decent wage bill, but with little to show for it.
4. May end up with a new manager also.

4 clubs, each showing a distinct lack of stability.

I'm happy with those coming down and confident that none of them will smash it in the slightest!

 

[I should coco]

Not sure about Ull.

Owners at war with fans over the Tigers nonsense.

Owners have already tried to sell to the Chinese who bought Reading.

Some doubts over whether the manager will stay.

IMHO, Boro are the most stable of the three.

 

[Ricky]

In many ways, Boro, are the perfect team to come down:

1. They are garbage and didn't even take it to the last day of the season.
2. They have struggled to score goals. Expecting your misfiring strikers to become flat track bullies when dropping one level has seen many teams come unstuck.
3. They have no manager. Players will sign for other teams who at least have a man with a plan e.g. Thomas.
4. Their decent players are either borrowed e.g. Negredo or sure to leave e.g. Gibson.
5. They will have a big budget. But will need it to pay the overpaid mediocre players they now have on contract and who went down with a whimper.
6. Plus, the Chairman has now heaped pressure on whoever comes in.

Absolute fodder for the awaiting pack. Great team to come down.

Hull I think will do better.
1. They have enough players that will want to stay. Although my opinion of those coming down is pretty low, Hull have enough core players that will still be there.
2. They can compensate for those leaving. Maguire will go, but they will be competitive with Dawson and Davis. Robertson will go, but they have Tyman they are looking to develop.
3. They will have a relatively steady midfield with Huddlestone, Mason eventually, plus the Egyptian lad who can play on the right and if they lose Clingan it will be on their terms.
4. Up front they will keep enough to be competitive.
5. But again, potentially new manager. Best of a bad bunch in my view.
6. Mad and unpopular owners.

Sunderland I fear for.
1. Fans hate the manager.
2. Only decent player, Defoe sure to leave and for nothing.
3. Decent wage bill, but with little to show for it.
4. May end up with a new manager also.

4 clubs, each showing a distinct lack of stability.

I'm happy with those coming down and confident that none of them will smash it in the slightest!

I agree none will smash the league but you seem to be judging the squads purely by PL standards.

Boro will still have the core of players that got them up. If they appoint a decent manager they should be favourites to win the league.

Hull will keep enough of their squad to have a good go but there'll be plenty of upheaval there with the loss of the loanees who nearly kept them up. Like Boro a lot depends on who the manager is.

Sunderland have more than just Defoe who'll be good Championship players, and they'll have some money to spend. But they're in a rut and I think they're likely to follow Villa's example. Also uncertainty with the manager.

If I had to predict now I'd say Middlesbrough top 2, Hull play offs and Sunderland mid table.

 

[Champagneblade]

Boro only sneaked up previously on the last day and were far from convincing. I think Brighton were a better team, just fine margins at key moments. The United team which came down from the PL made a far better fist of it and look what happened next.

As we know to our cost, getting the right manager is far from straightforward as well.

No idea if you can even make the bet, but I can see United finishing above 2 of them, if not all.

I nailed my Colours to the mast a few weeks ago and Chris continues to go about his business in the same convincing manner. Let's face it, looking back, we were far too good with the squad we have now and won the league in about 38 matches in the end.

I think we'll beat all the relegated sides at home and by the last few months of the year I can see 30,000 being a common attendance. I just don't think most teams will cope with United's work rate, especially if we add some pace too.

Wilder just leaves me supremely confident we will march on relentlessly while those coming down all face either managerial upheaval, an exodus of players or both.