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Although arranging talks with Neal Maupay and Oli McBurnie is Chris Wilder's immediate priority, The Star understands Assombalonga's name also featured on the final list of potential acquisitions he presented to Bramall Lane's hierarchy this week.
But sources close to United last night confirmed that a number of factors, including the EFL's Profit and Sustainability regulations, mean they now value the 26-year-old at significantly less than the £15m Middlesbrough paid to sign him in 2017.
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So we have no money and are not looking to sign anyone.

I'm starting to get anxious now while the owners are in court.

FFS.
 

metalblade said:
Woodwardfan is back attempting to spread his panic. FFS the budget has already been agreed and in any case the co owners despite not agreeing are not dumb enough to wilfully wreck any chance of the club staying in the Premier league, at least I don't think they are.
My God when does the season start and the madness on here stop?
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My God when does the season start and the madness on here stop?

One does not depend on the other

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Sean Thornton said:
It’s not “poor show”.

That would be insinuating we were unable to borrow money, using an unsubstantiated figure as if its gospel and reliving your last years fears about the budget despite our success last season.

May 2018, things weren’t hunky dory then

“In actual fact my first preference would be for the prince to prevail as KM has done enough over the years and clearly is uncomfortable with his past levels of lost money. The prince to prevail and give Wilder a boost with a new improved and longer contract plus a commitment to back the manager's vision, that would be perfect.”

Same post

“I have never said this is about the negotiations over the future ownership of the club, they have to take their course but the summer budget has to be set urgently.”


Same approach just over a year ago. How did this last season work out, despite your budgetary fears?
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Last May the owners got themselves sorted after pressure from Wilder, Danny04 and Biggs on R.Sheff. Wilder sincerely thought he might have to walk away from the club. When the manager was at risk I tried to rally a voice from this Forum but to no avail. We were outbid for Waghorn and it turned out well with the signing of McGoldrick;

The big change since then is the unexpected promotion to the P.L. Also there is now real doubt whether the Prince either could not or would not invest more heavily in the club. At another stage it was KM who denied further investment as part of his ownership strategy. That gets us nowhere, neither of our two current owners get us where we should be aiming.

At the moment we are in limbo until the club is sold. IMO the court dispute is wasting the most important transfer window in our history. I have not seen any reassurances that the transfer and wages budget is anything more than £20m ( not even double last season's). I would be concerned if that figure was £40m by the way. Progressive, committed owners with the medium and long term strategy of the club in mind would be investing heavily this June and July. August will be too late

As this unwinds it is my fear that Wilder will find us outbid for our targets and well short on intended wage levels. Jota is an early example and other targets will drift away.

We have a really good squad but we need that pace and quality that can make the difference at this new level. Maddison cost £25m last summer. We need players of that quality in that area of the pitch and up front. Over a long season we cannot do without it. Loans can help us out but real quality loans do cost serious money.

I think this has been a worthy thread, some don't. Some understand cash flow, some don't. Some attack, some debate. Respect for opinion and serious debate is what it's all about. I have gained some reassurances and that helps me for a while.
 
Woodwardfan said:
That was Oct 2017, two years ago when things were honky dory. Poor show ShockingBadBuy.

That doesn't mean I support the prince above McCabe.

I'm totally cheesed off with both right now as you well know.

Poor show@SeanThornton.
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The point I was making is that, if your modus is to offer grand pronouncements grounded in nothing very concrete (e.g. old Prince post), when your grand pronouncement turns out to be hollow (e.g now) then there’s little point issuing a fresh grand pronouncement as a corrective to the first one (e.g. OP to this thread) unless you’ve got something concrete to build it on. It’s all a bit hostage to fortune, apart from anything else. Remember Transition (as a further e.g.), and Dynasty (as another)?

If the court case has proven anything so far, it’s that things had gone very badly wrong between the owners at the time you were confidently telling us that PBR was our saviour.

Woodwardfan said:
Good to see so many posters relaxed about things in S2 this summer.

Let's hope you are right.
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Personally, I’m far from relaxed. But I’ve seen a wide range of opinion on here as to how this might all play out. Including some substantial and informed legal opinion, from people who clearly know what they’re talking about, who reckon there’s a reasonable chance the Saudi could end up judicially dumped on his arse.

Of course, it may not turn out that way. But disagreeing with the OP or pointing out its inconsistency with previous pronouncements doesn’t mean everyone else is “relaxed” or engaged in a “poor show”.
 
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Woodwardfan said:
Last May the owners got themselves sorted after pressure from Wilder, Danny04 and Biggs on R.Sheff. Wilder sincerely thought he might have to walk away from the club. When the manager was at risk I tried to rally a voice from this Forum but to no avail. We were outbid for Waghorn and it turned out well with the signing of McGoldrick;

As this unwinds it is my fear that Wilder will find us outbid for our targets and well short on intended wage levels. Jota is an early example and other targets will drift away.
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The owners got themselves sorted, you did try to ‘rally’ some fans into putting pressure on the board but the reason it got little support is that most of us don’t know the first thing about running a football club - as you point out, we all (mostly) wanted waghorn for £5m, we got Didzy for free and that would suggest the management know what they are doing.

Re targets, was Jota a genuine target or just one that someone posted on the rumour mill? Because personally I don’t think Jota is good enough so I’m not bothered we’ve missed out - again, like last year, Wilder will have his targets and knows exactly what he is doing.
 
Woodwardfan said:
Last May the owners got themselves sorted after pressure from Wilder, Danny04 and Biggs on R.Sheff. Wilder sincerely thought he might have to walk away from the club. When the manager was at risk I tried to rally a voice from this Forum but to no avail. We were outbid for Waghorn and it turned out well with the signing of McGoldrick;

The big change since then is the unexpected promotion to the P.L. Also there is now real doubt whether the Prince either could not or would not invest more heavily in the club. At another stage it was KM who denied further investment as part of his ownership strategy. That gets us nowhere, neither of our two current owners get us where we should be aiming.

At the moment we are in limbo until the club is sold. IMO the court dispute is wasting the most important transfer window in our history. I have not seen any reassurances that the transfer and wages budget is anything more than £20m ( not even double last season's). I would be concerned if that figure was £40m by the way. Progressive, committed owners with the medium and long term strategy of the club in mind would be investing heavily this June and July. August will be too late

As this unwinds it is my fear that Wilder will find us outbid for our targets and well short on intended wage levels. Jota is an early example and other targets will drift away.

We have a really good squad but we need that pace and quality that can make the difference at this new level. Maddison cost £25m last summer. We need players of that quality in that area of the pitch and up front. Over a long season we cannot do without it. Loans can help us out but real quality loans do cost serious money.

I think this has been a worthy thread, some don't. Some understand cash flow, some don't. Some attack, some debate. Respect for opinion and serious debate is what it's all about. I have gained some reassurances and that helps me for a while.
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Three things.

Where did you get the £20m figure that you are relying so much on ?

After saying you have not backed the Prince, you haven’t commented on you naming him as your “preferred choice”.

If you have “seen no reassurances” about the budget, what reassurances have you gained ( final paragraph). That it’s possible for the club to borrow money? As it did last year.
 
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Pedro's Winger said:
Presumably some common sense will prevail and the club will be able to spend some money on players as happened last season.
But I think that expenditure was court sanctioned through an agreement between the owners.
As it stands now there seems little chance on either of them agreeing on very much and while the club and owners are technically different things very little is likely to get signed off without approval from the top.
It's a sad situation for Wilder to find himself in after all he's achieved.
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I’m surprised you have shown up,especially after your next season thread,that didn’t go very well for you did it?
 
Woodwardfan said:
Last May the owners got themselves sorted after pressure from Wilder, Danny04 and Biggs on R.Sheff. Wilder sincerely thought he might have to walk away from the club. When the manager was at risk I tried to rally a voice from this Forum but to no avail. We were outbid for Waghorn and it turned out well with the signing of McGoldrick;

The big change since then is the unexpected promotion to the P.L. Also there is now real doubt whether the Prince either could not or would not invest more heavily in the club. At another stage it was KM who denied further investment as part of his ownership strategy. That gets us nowhere, neither of our two current owners get us where we should be aiming.

At the moment we are in limbo until the club is sold. IMO the court dispute is wasting the most important transfer window in our history. I have not seen any reassurances that the transfer and wages budget is anything more than £20m ( not even double last season's). I would be concerned if that figure was £40m by the way. Progressive, committed owners with the medium and long term strategy of the club in mind would be investing heavily this June and July. August will be too late

As this unwinds it is my fear that Wilder will find us outbid for our targets and well short on intended wage levels. Jota is an early example and other targets will drift away.

We have a really good squad but we need that pace and quality that can make the difference at this new level. Maddison cost £25m last summer. We need players of that quality in that area of the pitch and up front. Over a long season we cannot do without it. Loans can help us out but real quality loans do cost serious money.

I think this has been a worthy thread, some don't. Some understand cash flow, some don't. Some attack, some debate. Respect for opinion and serious debate is what it's all about. I have gained some reassurances and that helps me for a while.
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"IMO the court dispute is wasting the most important transfer window in our history". What is your evidence for this? The fact that we haven't signed any players yet?

"I have not seen any reassurances that the transfer and wages budget is anything more than £20m ( not even double last season's)". Like I said before (and which you ignored), this makes a good story if you ignore what Wilder has actually said about it.

"Some attack, some debate". I'm happy to debate, I've even tried it, all you've done is ignore my questions.
 
Has anyone actually confirmed this budget? Pure speculation, mostly by Sky. I suspect in reality we are playing our cards a lot closer to our chest. I don't think we'd announce we've got £30m to spend and we need 3-4 players, selling clubs will adjust their prices. I think CW & Steve Bettis are smarter than that
 

Tunstall Fred said:
I’m surprised you have shown up,especially after your next season thread,that didn’t go very well for you did it?
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He reckons last years spend was court sanctioned following agreement between the owners while in a dispute last year but doesn’t see it happening this year when the asset is worth tens of millions more.

Not thought through Len.
 
madeinsheffield said:
Has anyone actually confirmed this budget?
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That budget word again.

Which clubs have announced a 'budget'.

Walk into a car showroom to buy a new car and tell them you have £ 30.000 to spend, you end up with a car that has cost you £ 30.000.
Walk into the same car showroom without waving you 30K cheque and your ego, use some nous you end up driving that same car for £ 25.000.

For some unknown reason many wish us to wave the cheque. Think Chansiri "I'm going to spend, and we are going to the PL" - check the gap (chasm) - stunning deal on Jordan Rhodes.

Luckily this club is run by people with some nous. People complaining about our owners, would they prefer Chansiri ?
 
madeinsheffield said:
Has anyone actually confirmed this budget? Pure speculation, mostly by Sky. I suspect in reality we are playing our cards a lot closer to our chest. I don't think we'd announce we've got £30m to spend and we need 3-4 players, selling clubs will adjust their prices. I think CW & Steve Bettis are smarter than that
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No, you’re absolutely correct. But if you repeat the lie enough it becomes truth.
 
Tom Bott said:
That budget word again.

Which clubs have announced a 'budget'.

Walk into a car showroom to buy a new car and tell them you have £ 30.000 to spend, you end up with a car that has cost you £ 30.000.
Walk into the same car showroom without waving you 30K cheque and your ego, use some nous you end up driving that same car for £ 25.000.

For some unknown reason many wish us to wave the cheque. Think Chansiri "I'm going to spend, and we are going to the PL" - check the gap (chasm) - stunning deal on Jordan Rhodes.

Luckily this club is run by people with some nous. People complaining about our owners, would they prefer Chansiri ?
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Not sure the evidence of the court case suggests this club is run by people with some nous.
 
Tom Bott said:
That budget word again.

Which clubs have announced a 'budget'.

Walk into a car showroom to buy a new car and tell them you have £ 30.000 to spend, you end up with a car that has cost you £ 30.000.
Walk into the same car showroom without waving you 30K cheque and your ego, use some nous you end up driving that same car for £ 25.000.

For some unknown reason many wish us to wave the cheque. Think Chansiri "I'm going to spend, and we are going to the PL" - check the gap (chasm) - stunning deal on Jordan Rhodes.

Luckily this club is run by people with some nous. People complaining about our owners, would they prefer Chansiri ?
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Talking of Rhodes, I read the pigs want 7m from Norwich for him. Hopefully Norwich will realise hes not a premiership player and leave him at Pigsborough further hindering their ability to operate under FFP rules
 
Well the thread was worthwhile but I have to acknowledge that the general consensus did not reflect my concerns, far from it.

In a way that reassures me and I have benefited from the debate in that sense, though I'm not convinced that we have anything like a £40m plus transfer budget available this summer window. Other clubs will be spending way more than that of course, but I realise my concerns are not shared.

I thought a few posters were a bit mean and juvenile to be honest, but I fully support free speech and may we all have the opportunity to pass opinion and react to opinion with whatever fills our minds.

One poster spent a lot of time in the debate, 17 posts and 18 'likes'. That's commitment for you; much appreciated and kept it ticking along nicely. He was not one of the juvenile ones by the way.
 
How many more times.
The club has its budget, the club continues as it has done for 2 years despite the court case.
Good god, what’s up with folk.

If KM sells he gets some money back.
If the Prince sells he will make a profit.

It really is that simple
 
Woodwardfan said:
Well the thread was worthwhile but I have to acknowledge that the general consensus did not reflect my concerns, far from it.

In a way that reassures me and I have benefited from the debate in that sense, though I'm not convinced that we have anything like a £40m plus transfer budget available this summer window. Other clubs will be spending way more than that of course, but I realise my concerns are not shared.

I thought a few posters were a bit mean and juvenile to be honest, but I fully support free speech and may we all have the opportunity to pass opinion and react to opinion with whatever fills our minds.

One poster spent a lot of time in the debate, 17 posts and 18 'likes'. That's commitment for you; much appreciated and kept it ticking along nicely. He was not one of the juvenile ones by the way.
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Well the thread was worthwhile, and I have to acknowledge that some of the concerns raised by the OP did reflect my own.

Nothing about the thread reassures me, however, and I realise that the things concerning me had already been raised on this forum in around 25-30
other threads that have already debated (at length and in detail, and with some quality) both the size of the budget and the impact of the court case upon it.

I thought some posters made a valuable comedic and/or satirical contribution, exercising their right to free speech in an exemplary manner, particularly when responding to what they clearly felt was the self-importance and pomposity of another poster.

One poster spent a lot of time demonstrating that he either hadn’t bothered reading any of the 25-30 existing threads that he might have contributed to in order to air his opinions on these issues, and/or demonstrating his contempt for those other threads (as well as his contempt for some of the posters on this thread). But why bother posting in existing threads, when one can parade one’s own debate-fostering, attention-seeking, quality-post-disseminating, paradigm-defining gravitas, in a thread of one’s own? That’s superiority for you. He wasn’t one of the ones with much self awareness, or a sense of humour, by the way.

Still, we should all feel grateful to be back in a place where we have someone else on here to hector us about whose opinion is worthy/quality, and whose isn’t, and why, right? We’ve definitely been missing that, so thank goodness he’s reverted to type so quickly.

Smashing. Just like old times.

:shark:
 

I found it illuminating and it’s confirmed one of my suspicions. As Ian Brown once sang ‘I am the resurrection’.
 
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