FFP

[BushBlade]

If anyone else is wondering WTF is happening with FFP, as I am, I’ve found a summary of the current rules.

This season (2016/17), new ‘Profitability and Sustainability’ rules operate in the Championship.

Championship clubs voted to change their FPP rules in November 2014 as part of wide-ranging negotiations with the top-flight about future solidarity arrangements that has contractually linked the finances of The Football League and Premier League for the first time since the formation of the latter in 1992.

So, for the first time, clubs will be assessed over 3 seasons (rather than just a single season).

This change brings the Championship clubs into alignment with the Premier League – both have ‘Profit and Sustainability’ rules that are now fully aligned.

The maximum loss limit is now £13m per Championship season
Losses are assessed over three seasons (rather than just over the single, previous season).

The assessment of each club’s finances is a combination of a historic assessment (looking at figures for the two previous completed season) and an assessment over the season currently taking place.

Clubs are permitted to exclude some expenditure (Youth development spend, Charitable Community spend, and Women’s Football spend). For a Championship cub this rarely exceeds £500k per season (and is usually less).

Clubs relegated from the Premier League are allowed to make losses of up to £35m in respect of any season spent in the top flight – this should allow clubs to better manage the transition.

Any punishment for breach of the rules will be determined by an independent panel (the ‘Fair Play Panel’).

But what are the potential punishments?

Previously the Football League has only been able to either fine promoted clubs (a fine the Premier League didn’t help them collect), or impose a transfer embargo for historic overspending (which always like a stable-door/horse scenario).

With this change, a wide range of punishments are now available.

Nothing is off the table; the Football League are now able to impose a points deduction during the current season, or demote a club from an automatic promotion position into the play-offs (or out of the play-offs altogether).

Obviously we’re not going to be breaching FFP any time soon but the clubs that are close to breaching FFP may need to offload players in the JTW, if their income projections aren’t being met. It might be something we can take advantage of in the JTW.

 

[nopigfansintown]

If anyone else is wondering WTF is happening with FFP, as I am, I’ve found a summary of the current rules.

This season (2016/17), new ‘Profitability and Sustainability’ rules operate in the Championship.

Championship clubs voted to change their FPP rules in November 2014 as part of wide-ranging negotiations with the top-flight about future solidarity arrangements that has contractually linked the finances of The Football League and Premier League for the first time since the formation of the latter in 1992.

So, for the first time, clubs will be assessed over 3 seasons (rather than just a single season).

This change brings the Championship clubs into alignment with the Premier League – both have ‘Profit and Sustainability’ rules that are now fully aligned.

The maximum loss limit is now £13m per Championship season
Losses are assessed over three seasons (rather than just over the single, previous season).

The assessment of each club’s finances is a combination of a historic assessment (looking at figures for the two previous completed season) and an assessment over the season currently taking place.

Clubs are permitted to exclude some expenditure (Youth development spend, Charitable Community spend, and Women’s Football spend). For a Championship cub this rarely exceeds £500k per season (and is usually less).

Clubs relegated from the Premier League are allowed to make losses of up to £35m in respect of any season spent in the top flight – this should allow clubs to better manage the transition.

Any punishment for breach of the rules will be determined by an independent panel (the ‘Fair Play Panel’).

But what are the potential punishments?

Previously the Football League has only been able to either fine promoted clubs (a fine the Premier League didn’t help them collect), or impose a transfer embargo for historic overspending (which always like a stable-door/horse scenario).

With this change, a wide range of punishments are now available.

Nothing is off the table; the Football League are now able to impose a points deduction during the current season, or demote a club from an automatic promotion position into the play-offs (or out of the play-offs altogether).

Obviously we’re not going to be breaching FFP any time soon but the clubs that are close to breaching FFP may need to offload players in the JTW, if their income projections aren’t being met. It might be something we can take advantage of in the JTW.

This is why the pigs are utterly fucked next season, not quite this. Chansiri is putting all his eggs in the getting promoted this season basket. Big gamble.

 

[FTPE]

Cheers, all I need to know though is there's no way we will ever have to worry about it and that it's fucking up our neighbours transfer window nicely.

 

[BushBlade]

This is why the pigs are utterly fucked next season, not quite this. Chansiri is putting all his eggs in the getting promoted this season basket. Big gamble.

If they’re nowhere near the top six by January they’ll be giving players away to get them off the wage bill. Might not be the only club either.

 

[Brian Blessed]

What makes the rule utterly bollocks is the fact that clubs relegated from the Premier League start with a free gift of a parachute payment, which is usually spent on buying more players, that's actually more than the other clubs are allowed to lose over a 3 year period.

And they called it Financial Fair Play...

 

[JohnDenver]

This is why the pigs are utterly fucked next season, not quite this. Chansiri is putting all his eggs in the getting promoted this season basket. Big gamble.

But he’s not gambling hard enough. They appear to have half a promotion team to me.

 

[BushBlade]

Cheers, all I need to know though is there's no way we will ever have to worry about it and that it's fucking up our neighbours transfer window nicely.

Well you can guarantee that if we do end up with a rich owner they’ll change it so you can invest less.

 

[nopigfansintown]

If they’re nowhere near the top six by January they’ll be giving players away to get them off the wage bill. Might not be the only club either.

Yep. The majority of their better player are out of contract at the end of the season, and they have no wiggle room to entend the contracts never mind improve them. Losing them for nothing would be an absolute disaster.

 

[Carlton Blade]

Just because you can punish somebody doesn't mean you will. I'll still be surprised to see any real punishment for FFP issues

 

[nopigfansintown]

But he’s not gambling hard enough. They appear to have half a promotion team to me.

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They are embargoed now, so nothing he can do about that. They will be about 20 million in the hole next season, so no scope for improving the team then. I'd say by this time next season they will be looking upon this Wendy team enviously.That is, unless the lucky bastards get promoted.

 

[Scooter_mcgavin]

Weren't Bournemouth recently fined 5m for breach of FFP?
Before they spent 60-70m on xfers?

 

[Topplayersleave]

The pigs are not going to get punished
Its just wishful thinking from some of our fans

When making rules like the FFP they leave a grey area under the subject of punishment

They could make the punishment 1 point deduction and a million pound fine for every million pounds over the FFP rules, or some other clear and definite punishment.

But they won't do that, they prefer the grey area just in case they have to punish one of their favourite cheating bastards

 

[dc_blade]

Won't many clubs look at QPR and think it's worth the risk?

Fined 40 million, reduced on appeal to 17 million...to be paid over 10 years. The fine will not be taken into account for future FFP calculations.

They have a transfer embargo through the JTW. And that's it.

 

[grafikhaus]

What makes the rule utterly bollocks is the fact that clubs relegated from the Premier League start with a free gift of a parachute payment, which is usually spent on buying more players, that's actually more than the other clubs are allowed to lose over a 3 year period.

And they called it Financial Fair Play...

Now you're talking. It's not FFP that's fucking the game up (it's too easy to fiddle - 'undisclosed' transfers, bogus 'companies' like D Taxis etc.) it's parachute payments. Originally meant to 'soften the blow' of relegation from The Promised Land (which any half-decent business would have budgeted for anyway), PPs are a thinly-disguised bribe so the already rich stay rich. Then you've got clubs like West Ham who've got a criminal advantage because, unlike Spurs, they spend like a sailor on shore leave.

Helps when you've been gifted Coe's Folly.

Read and weep

 

[BushBlade]

Now you're talking. It's not FFP that's fucking the game up (it's too easy to fiddle - 'undisclosed' transfers, bogus 'companies' like D Taxis etc.) it's parachute payments. Originally meant to 'soften the blow' of relegation from The Promised Land (which any half-decent business would have budgeted for anyway), PPs are a thinly-disguised bribe so the already rich stay rich. Then you've got clubs like West Ham who've got a criminal advantage because, unlike Spurs, they spend like a sailor on shore leave.

Helps when you've been gifted Coe's Folly.

Read and weep

Parachute payments make absolute sense to the PL and no sense whatsoever to the EFL.

 

[super_pig]

Parachute payments make absolute sense to the PL and no sense whatsoever to the EFL.

parachute payments could be circumvented completely by a small clause that says
if in prem earn x
if in efl earn y

 

[BushBlade]

parachute payments could be circumvented completely by a small clause that says
if in prem earn x
if in efl earn y

Yes it could but many players won’t agree to that clause. They’ll go to a club that isn’t insisting on one, and that club may be in Spain or Italy, further strengthening the top six clubs and reducing the perception of the PL as the most competitive top league in Europe. Which in turns threatens revenue, especially when Serie A have a new TV deal giving them more money, as the league becomes more popular again.

That’s why the PL will continue with parachute payments and there is fuck all the EFL can do to change it. It fucks up the championship but the PL doesn’t care about that.

 

[I should coco]

What really gets my goat is that when Scudamore talks about a billion pounds in the next deal 'redistributed to the lower leagues ' he includes these.

It is not redistribution , it's a bribe to get turkeys to keep on voting for Christmas.

 

[BushBlade]

What really gets my goat is that when Scudamore talks about a billion pounds in the next deal 'redistributed to the lower leagues ' he includes these.

It is not redistribution , it's a bribe to get turkeys to keep on voting for Christmas.

The turkeys don’t get a vote. The EFL has no control over the PL.

 

[super_pig]

Yes it could but many players won’t agree to that clause. They’ll go to a club that isn’t insisting on one, and that club may be in Spain or Italy, further strengthening the top six clubs and reducing the perception of the PL as the most competitive top league in Europe. Which in turns threatens revenue, especially when Serie A have a new TV deal giving them more money, as the league becomes more popular again.

That’s why the PL will continue with parachute payments and there is fuck all the EFL can do to change it. It fucks up the championship but the PL doesn’t care about that.

noone will watch serie a it is boring

 

[BushBlade]

noone will watch serie a it is boring

Obviously they do because the new TV deal is higher than the previous one. (They’ve also altered the distribution so the likes of Juve get less and smaller clubs get more, to make it more like the PL). We’re talking global audiences and there are plenty of people around the world that still want to watch the likes of Inter, Juve, Milan etc.

 

[BladeInIreland]

See whilst Wednesday are in a bad position financially, it's worth noting that they are still far better on the pitch than before over spending. This is despite utterly failing. You would think that since being found out by FFP and being under an embargo they would have to sell sell sell. Losing there better players and having a much worse squad this year as a consequence. Well they haven't , they still kept all the players they want and in reality all that's looking over them is a fine spread over a hundred years.

Given our losses are recorded at around 6 mill a year, how can any of the top spending teams (non prem) be within FFP , unless as we all suspected from the off there's lots of loop holes which make the rule as meaningless as its punishment.

Iv said this before but id regulate it a hell of alot more. Impose wage caps.

 

[HoodedClaw]

As the EFL supposedly run the leagues below PL level why don't they give relegated clubs a choice, keep your parachute payments but start the season with a points deduction that correlates to the payment they are getting. So 1st year when you get 55% of final PL earnings you start on -10 points, second year you start on -8 and third year on -5 or you can reject parachute payments and you start on 0 points.

Personally don't have a problem with the PL giving parachute payments, I do have a big problem with whats done with them though.

Nothing will change though, due to investment / redistribution of funds to the EFL from the PL bollocks.

 

[blade too long]

This is why the pigs are utterly fucked next season, not quite this. Chansiri is putting all his eggs in the getting promoted this season basket. Big gamble.

the eggs he has got are hardly fresh
theyve scrambled to buy players to no avail
they tried to poach a few , but nothing doing
and if they defend like they did at wigan this season will be easy over

 

[nopigfansintown]

the eggs he has got are hardly fresh
theyve scrambled to buy players to no avail
they tried to poach a few , but nothing doing
and if they defend like they did at wigan this season will be easy over

One might say rotten.

 

[Broomhall Blade]

See whilst Wednesday are in a bad position financially, it's worth noting that they are still far better on the pitch than before over spending. This is despite utterly failing. You would think that since being found out by FFP and being under an embargo they would have to sell sell sell. Losing there better players and having a much worse squad this year as a consequence. Well they haven't , they still kept all the players they want and in reality all that's looking over them is a fine spread over a hundred years.

Given our losses are recorded at around 6 mill a year, how can any of the top spending teams (non prem) be within FFP , unless as we all suspected from the off there's lots of loop holes which make the rule as meaningless as its punishment.

Iv said this before but id regulate it a hell of alot more. Impose wage caps.

I wouldn't say they have kept all there players, they sold their full back(can't remember his name) to Bristol City they are pretty short in that department.
They have let Rhodes go on loan.
They also released Wallace and Loovens(not sure if they wanted to keep them).
They also have tried to off load Westwood and they still might.

 

[Topplayersleave]

Won't many clubs look at QPR and think it's worth the risk?

Fined 40 million, reduced on appeal to 17 million...to be paid over 10 years. The fine will not be taken into account for future FFP calculations.

They have a transfer embargo through the JTW. And that's it.

And that's it ? £17 million over 10 years
That's like Sheffield United having to sign an average player for each of the next 10 years
It will almost bankrupt them

 

[dc_blade]

And that's it ? £17 million over 10 years
That's like Sheffield United having to sign an average player for each of the next 10 years
It will almost bankrupt them

Imagine spending this much time on another team’s forum.

 

[Tezza1889]

Just because you can punish somebody doesn't mean you will. I'll still be surprised to see any real punishment for FFP issues

Well, just wait till we break the rules, then you’ll see the maximum wrath of the fair play panel..

 

[super_pig]

Obviously they do because the new TV deal is higher than the previous one. (They’ve also altered the distribution so the likes of Juve get less and smaller clubs get more, to make it more like the PL). We’re talking global audiences and there are plenty of people around the world that still want to watch the likes of Inter, Juve, Milan etc.

two words.. falli fatti
it's the only interesting stat. in the entire Italian games. usually there is one every two minutes!